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 insaniak wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I mostly leave my BT weapons black with lead belcher lining, but I do mix in some white and red weapons for variation. The old 4th edition Codex had a comment about them not eschewing to uniform unit numbering and patterns and often squad make ups would change from mission to mission. IIRC

Nostalgia time - the 2nd edition depiction of them in Codex: Ultramarines had them with blue weapons and the colour of the chest eagle denoting companies.

Black Templars were a thing in 2nd edition?

I thought they were introduced as the 3rd Edition's poster boys.

 Esmer wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I mostly leave my BT weapons black with lead belcher lining, but I do mix in some white and red weapons for variation. The old 4th edition Codex had a comment about them not eschewing to uniform unit numbering and patterns and often squad make ups would change from mission to mission. IIRC

Nostalgia time - the 2nd edition depiction of them in Codex: Ultramarines had them with blue weapons and the colour of the chest eagle denoting companies.

Black Templars were a thing in 2nd edition?

I thought they were introduced as the 3rd Edition's poster boys.

They started off as a codex compliant colour scheme in 2nd edition:



Then GW picked them to headline 3rd edition, and the rest is history.


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It turns out that this conversion in the BT book is what was mistaken for a new BT Ancient:

 CMLR wrote:
Controversial take: I've always really liked Centurions.

With just a bit of chest elongation to truescale them a tiny bit, they do look rather good.


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 insaniak wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I mostly leave my BT weapons black with lead belcher lining, but I do mix in some white and red weapons for variation. The old 4th edition Codex had a comment about them not eschewing to uniform unit numbering and patterns and often squad make ups would change from mission to mission. IIRC

Nostalgia time - the 2nd edition depiction of them in Codex: Ultramarines had them with blue weapons and the colour of the chest eagle denoting companies.

I still honestly preferred the Ultramarine with red weapons like back in 3rd, that red had a great contrast with the rest of the blue.


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 Marshal Loss wrote:

Spoiler:

That's EXACTLY what I'm going to make for my army !

Ah so it's a conversion, not an actual kit.

Weirdly, that being wrong actually strengthens the rumours, as it means that the person who posted the rumours saw this and assumed it was real, rather than just making something up.

Makes sense TBH, pre-orders are literally tomorrow and we'd seen nothing about the rumoured model.

To be fair we also saw a model that no one saw coming, the Primaris-not-Primaris guy with the ever-changing combi-weapon.

Probably already leaked, but the price of the army set is £125. The same price of the Dominion box so $199. Doesn’t look like any of the other set are going to be up for pre-order this weekend. Sorry I can't attach the price list.

soviet13 wrote:
Have we seen the sprues for either of the infantry squads yet? I know we've seen the upgrade sprue.

These are the crusader squad sprues

While it's a great conversion otherwise, the TacMarine arm looks comically tiny on a Primaris body.

Can't really blame him, really close to the oiginal. It's nice to see some actual love in the designs.

Hey maybe you gents can help me out - in one of the older codexes or rulebooks (I think Codex: Space Marines circa 4th/5th edition, but I'm not positive) I recall there being an image, it was either a painted miniature or a color plate of a Black Templar in a "half-and-half" black and white color scheme (i.e. draw a vertical line down the middle, one side was black the other side was white. IIRC it was accompanied by some flavor text that said something to the effect of "High Marshal So-and-so in the distinctive half and half color scheme of his crusading fleet" or something like that. I've been trying to find that image for reference for a few days now and having no luck, don't remember the name or title of the marine (pretty sure it was a High Marshal but not positive) or anything else really other than the fact that I thought it looked cool and I told myself that if I ever did Templars I would try to do them in that color scheme. Would love it if someone could post the image or at least point me in the right direction of finding it myself.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Hey maybe you gents can help me out - in one of the older codexes or rulebooks (I think Codex: Space Marines circa 4th/5th edition, but I'm not positive) I recall there being an image, it was either a painted miniature or a color plate of a Black Templar in a "half-and-half" black and white color scheme (i.e. draw a vertical line down the middle, one side was black the other side was white. IIRC it was accompanied by some flavor text that said something to the effect of "High Marshal So-and-so in the distinctive half and half color scheme of his crusading fleet" or something like that. I've been trying to find that image for reference for a few days now and having no luck, don't remember the name or title of the marine (pretty sure it was a High Marshal but not positive) or anything else really other than the fact that I thought it looked cool and I told myself that if I ever did Templars I would try to do them in that color scheme. Would love it if someone could post the image or at least point me in the right direction of finding it myself.

Quick thumb through my 4/5th codex: Space Marine doesn’t show anything.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/08/we-built-the-most-bellicose-in-your-face-black-templars-army-list-ever-heretics-beware/

Looks like Devout Push is still alive and well in the new codex. The new vow they revealed seems to imply their super-doctrine is either gone or replaced with something different. Also, in terms of the relic-bearers, depending on how much the Seal of Sigismund costs, I feel like it's going to be the most no-brainer choice in most lists with the full re-rolls applying to the whole unit.

 Matrindur wrote:

soviet13 wrote:
Have we seen the sprues for either of the infantry squads yet? I know we've seen the upgrade sprue.

These are the crusader squad sprues

Ok that's the first time I see thos sprues with a resolution decent enough to be able to count stuff.

So let's see:
Initiate:
3 Chainsword
3 Heavy Bolt Pistol (one of them in holster)
3 Auto Bolt Rifle
1 Pyre Blaster
1 Power Sword
1 Power Axe
1 Power Fist
1 Hand Flamer

Neophyte:
3 Bolter
3 Bolt Pistol
4 Chain Sword (one sheathed)

I'm also counting only 3 set of initiate legs, and 2 set of neophyte legs (same for the back pack), which indicate that this box will contain that sprue twice for 6 initiate and 4 neophytes.
If that's indeed the case then it's a good sprue with all the gear options in there (thanks god no boyz situation here), but then I wonder... why did they add a neophyte bolter on the upgrade sprue, when there's already 2 extra in the box?

Am I missing something here?


Also, god DAMN thos mould lines are thick.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Hey maybe you gents can help me out - in one of the older codexes or rulebooks (I think Codex: Space Marines circa 4th/5th edition, but I'm not positive) I recall there being an image, it was either a painted miniature or a color plate of a Black Templar in a "half-and-half" black and white color scheme (i.e. draw a vertical line down the middle, one side was black the other side was white. IIRC it was accompanied by some flavor text that said something to the effect of "High Marshal So-and-so in the distinctive half and half color scheme of his crusading fleet" or something like that. I've been trying to find that image for reference for a few days now and having no luck, don't remember the name or title of the marine (pretty sure it was a High Marshal but not positive) or anything else really other than the fact that I thought it looked cool and I told myself that if I ever did Templars I would try to do them in that color scheme. Would love it if someone could post the image or at least point me in the right direction of finding it myself.

Did he have a similarly coloured bike?

Excited to see the Primaris Crusader squad with melee and bolter weapons.

My Ultramarine Infantry army will definitely be using these rules.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Hey maybe you gents can help me out - in one of the older codexes or rulebooks (I think Codex: Space Marines circa 4th/5th edition, but I'm not positive) I recall there being an image, it was either a painted miniature or a color plate of a Black Templar in a "half-and-half" black and white color scheme (i.e. draw a vertical line down the middle, one side was black the other side was white. IIRC it was accompanied by some flavor text that said something to the effect of "High Marshal So-and-so in the distinctive half and half color scheme of his crusading fleet" or something like that. I've been trying to find that image for reference for a few days now and having no luck, don't remember the name or title of the marine (pretty sure it was a High Marshal but not positive) or anything else really other than the fact that I thought it looked cool and I told myself that if I ever did Templars I would try to do them in that color scheme. Would love it if someone could post the image or at least point me in the right direction of finding it myself.

Did he have a similarly coloured bike?

Not the black and white space marine on the black and white bike!

By now there are likely to be more people here that don't understand what we're talking about than those that do.

This is probably for the best.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Hey maybe you gents can help me out - in one of the older codexes or rulebooks (I think Codex: Space Marines circa 4th/5th edition, but I'm not positive) I recall there being an image, it was either a painted miniature or a color plate of a Black Templar in a "half-and-half" black and white color scheme (i.e. draw a vertical line down the middle, one side was black the other side was white. IIRC it was accompanied by some flavor text that said something to the effect of "High Marshal So-and-so in the distinctive half and half color scheme of his crusading fleet" or something like that. I've been trying to find that image for reference for a few days now and having no luck, don't remember the name or title of the marine (pretty sure it was a High Marshal but not positive) or anything else really other than the fact that I thought it looked cool and I told myself that if I ever did Templars I would try to do them in that color scheme. Would love it if someone could post the image or at least point me in the right direction of finding it myself.

Did he have a similarly coloured bike?

Not the black and white space marine on the black and white bike!

Yes, *the* Black and White Space Marine on the Black and White bike.

Given that the ancient has a Firstborn style helmet, I'm surprised they thought it was a new model.

Though in their defense, it's a very well done conversion

The neophyte bolted on the upgrade sprue is a one handed one, to pair with the arm carrying an initiates helmet.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
The neophyte bolted on the upgrade sprue is a one handed one, to pair with the arm carrying an initiates helmet.

Since that helmet comes with a chainsword, I think it's more supposed to be used with the grenade hand...
But still, it's just a very standard, unmarked bolter, its inclusion is the pinnacle of wasting space on a sprue, even more so that the shotgun that SHOULD have been on the crusader sprue.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Given that the ancient has a Firstborn style helmet, I'm surprised they thought it was a new model.

The Castellan also has a Firstborn-style helmet, and he's a new model.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Not the black and white space marine on the black and white bike!

I chuckled. Haven't heard that in a long time..

*looks at the sample army list in today's WHC article*

...what's a Neopyte?

 Dysartes wrote:
*looks at the sample army list in today's WHC article*

...what's a Neopyte?

A scout attached to a specific Initiate to serve and learn under in a Crusader Squad.

Today's army showcase article mentions that there's enough chained weapons on the Crusader Squad sprues to outfit your Intercessors as well, which makes me think the whole Combat Patrol can be built with BT bits on every figure (Crusader Squad, 5 Intercessors, upgrade sprue). I am hoping BT are going to get some Kill Team rules that would make the CP box everything you need (plus an Impulsor).

Since I have no experience with them, I'm wondering how previous BT players use Crusader Squads? The mixed armor save unit seems weird, and now I assume the weapon profiles will differ between the models as well. Do Crusader Squads generally get more use as a shooty unit or choppy?

Original version was more Primarislike

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
*looks at the sample army list in today's WHC article*

...what's a Neopyte?

A scout attached to a specific Initiate to serve and learn under in a Crusader Squad.

I thought that was a Neophyte?

Do we know if neophytes are optional in squads or are they required?