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 Daedalus81 wrote:
So they'll stop when the production issues are cleared?

The recasters? Of course not. But it's been my experience that people tend to buy the genuine article when given the choice.

Right now GW isn't giving them that choice.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The issue is that GW have, even when they've actually legally owned something, historically overstepped their boundaries by some margin. They may have a very narrow ownership of a specific double-headed eagle in a specific set of circumstances, but that hasn't stopped them pursuing people utilising entirely more generic versions.

Which is the nub of the problem, not that GW is entitled to righteously and vigorously pursue the defence of their IP wherever they see fit, but that they can't be trusted to stay in their lane and only pursue that which they can legitimately claim.

Well said. Now can you please convince Mentlegen324 of this?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
So they'll stop when the production issues are cleared?

The recasters? Of course not. But it's been my experience that people tend to buy the genuine article when given the choice.

Right now GW isn't giving them that choice.

But HBMC you know how important those box sets are! What is GW supposed to do, release Crowe and the Infernal Master as individual models?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
But HBMC you know how important those box sets are! What is GW supposed to do, release Crowe and the Infernal Master as individual models?

Had to double check to see if you were joking but, wow, those models still aren't out yet. I... I just can't fathom how GW works. Or doesn't work.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
But HBMC you know how important those box sets are! What is GW supposed to do, release Crowe and the Infernal Master as individual models?

Had to double check to see if you were joking but, wow, those models still aren't out yet. I... I just can't fathom how GW works. Or doesn't work.

Ah, but tis a simple ABC process sir!
A - GW creates designs for great miniatures!
C - People enjoy models which look like those miniatures!

 Daedalus81 wrote:


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Not Online!!! wrote:
Frankly this is just more of the most recent trend of GW further targetting community goodwill for no other reason then to look good to investors.

I don't think I understand how recasters promote community good will nor do I think investors give a single gak about how GW handles it's IP as long as the dividend remains up.

Well, they said they check 3D printing and it is of no concern in their investor statement.

If they can make it look like they can bludgeon 3d printing that is a clear sign to the investors.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
So they'll stop when the production issues are cleared?

The recasters? Of course not. But it's been my experience that people tend to buy the genuine article when given the choice.

Right now GW isn't giving them that choice.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The issue is that GW have, even when they've actually legally owned something, historically overstepped their boundaries by some margin. They may have a very narrow ownership of a specific double-headed eagle in a specific set of circumstances, but that hasn't stopped them pursuing people utilising entirely more generic versions.

Which is the nub of the problem, not that GW is entitled to righteously and vigorously pursue the defence of their IP wherever they see fit, but that they can't be trusted to stay in their lane and only pursue that which they can legitimately claim.

Well said. Now can you please convince Mentlegen324 of this?

Won't happen. He'll keep spouting comments that will age like a fine milk...

Whilst I know this is a bit more of a chat about re-casting as opposed to content creation issues (youtube videos), it's worth nothing that the midwinter minis issue is resolved as GW have said the copyright claim was an error... Whether this was truly an error or they have backtracked because of the backlash who knows, but it shows that GW won't be as heavy fisted or be allowed to be as heavy fisted as they would like.

Killteam is still on sale on their site, let alone 3rd parties, so is dominion... Maybe it isn't a boycott as such but people are choosing to be picky with their GW spending and they are starting to get worried about that.

drbored wrote:
Want to blame someone? Blame Disney for helping push copyright laws to this ridiculous point.

Or try and fail to sabotage them...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
So they'll stop when the production issues are cleared?

The recasters? Of course not. But it's been my experience that people tend to buy the genuine article when given the choice.

Right now GW isn't giving them that choice.

That's the consensus in my area. If people can't get it from their FLGS and GW isn't selling it, people are just fine printing it themselves or having someone else print it for them, or buying it from a recaster.

This came up most recently in a discussion about Forge World models constantly being out of stock or out of production.

GW shutting down those sources isn't going to make people buy stuff from GW, because sometimes it is physically impossible to do so.

 phandaal wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
So they'll stop when the production issues are cleared?

The recasters? Of course not. But it's been my experience that people tend to buy the genuine article when given the choice.

Right now GW isn't giving them that choice.

That's the consensus in my area. If people can't get it from their FLGS and GW isn't selling it, people are just fine printing it themselves or having someone else print it for them, or buying it from a recaster.

This came up most recently in a discussion about Forge World models constantly being out of stock or out of production.

GW shutting down those sources isn't going to make people buy stuff from GW, because sometimes it is physically impossible to do so.

Also begs the question what GW considers an "infringement"... Ignoring the recast illegal activities from now on.
The 3d printing market is exploding and someone producing a particular mini from scratch may or not may still be deemed as an Infringement. Point being GW can simply shut you down if you dont have the resources to fight it.
The company loses because they cant dispute that, GW loses it because they dont have that specific model for sale and you lose because you cant have that model either.
Artificially GW believes it wins by shutting down potential startup competitors forgetting the not so clear consequences like: the technology is evolving in a way that makes GW model obsolete in the long run. You cant stop that, you can try but that will only erode all good will towards you.

Furthermore and unlike, say Mickey or Mario which are such clear designs the miniatures GW does are for the most part derivative of other folk work, so the same way GW was inspired so are other artists. In the past GW seemed inclined to claim all their own though. Eagles, universal Geometric shapes and so on. Which shows the type of things they think it's their own.

So I believe this is an attempt to tap into shutting down 3d projects while they can.
These projects will only increase in volume and it will be impossible to stop people from printing the files they want. The problem is that unlike previously you needed to sculpt cast and sell, now you send a file by email. So good luck xD Same to 3d only business I think they will cannibalise each other. You simply cannot track files transactions provenience as you did with an object.

The problem with Games Workshop trying to unring the 3D printing bell is that the market is becoming more and more decentralized every day. If you want something printed, all you need is to "know a guy who knows a guy" and you can get it.

So Games Workshop can hire these infringement assistants to do the things we all said they would do, but at the end of the day the horse has well and truly left the barn.

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:


Where are all my "Games Workshop is just making these rules to have them, they won't actively go after people" bros at?

Hope they don't take too long. Really need someone to help explain how 2+2=5 here.

Bonus points if they can work in Midwinter Minis immediately getting a YouTube copyright strike from GW for reviewing Warhammer+.

Ugh MWM is so bad.
He went From an ok YouTuber to one that just seems to hate everything.
Not to mention creepy Instagram posts

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:


Where are all my "Games Workshop is just making these rules to have them, they won't actively go after people" bros at?

Hope they don't take too long. Really need someone to help explain how 2+2=5 here.

Bonus points if they can work in Midwinter Minis immediately getting a YouTube copyright strike from GW for reviewing Warhammer+.

Ugh MWM is so bad.
He went From an ok YouTuber to one that just seems to hate everything.
Not to mention creepy Instagram posts

That's most of the warhammer community online atm, it's very on trend to GW bash aimlessly.

They could cut prices in half and there'd be a slew of complaints and "it's for show, they'll come and shoot your family in your sleep" type posters.

Dudeface wrote:

That's most of the warhammer community online atm, it's very on trend to GW bash aimlessly.

They could cut prices in half and there'd be a slew of complaints and "it's for show, they'll come and shoot your family in your sleep" type posters.

If they cut prices in half it would be received with universal praise, silence the majority of their detractors overnight and bring upon a new golden age of peace and harmony.

Luckily there is 0% chance of this ever happening.

Dudeface wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:


Where are all my "Games Workshop is just making these rules to have them, they won't actively go after people" bros at?

Hope they don't take too long. Really need someone to help explain how 2+2=5 here.

Bonus points if they can work in Midwinter Minis immediately getting a YouTube copyright strike from GW for reviewing Warhammer+.

Ugh MWM is so bad.
He went From an ok YouTuber to one that just seems to hate everything.
Not to mention creepy Instagram posts

That's most of the warhammer community online atm, it's very on trend to GW bash aimlessly.

Thats most of the Warhammer community online you personally selected to see.
Big difference.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 phandaal wrote:

caladancid wrote:


Where are all my "Games Workshop is just making these rules to have them, they won't actively go after people" bros at?

Hope they don't take too long. Really need someone to help explain how 2+2=5 here.

Bonus points if they can work in Midwinter Minis immediately getting a YouTube copyright strike from GW for reviewing Warhammer+.

Ugh MWM is so bad.
He went From an ok YouTuber to one that just seems to hate everything.
Not to mention creepy Instagram posts

I don't watch him either for probably the same reasons as you, and I agree that his negativity doesn't make a fun watch, but whether he's someone we like or not is irrelevant, yeah?

People said that Games Workshop would probably be taking more action with respect to copyright, we were told that we were irrational fear monger haters, and now Games Workshop is doing the thing we said they would do.

No. GW has made one claim on the ad revenue (not a copy strike, not a takedown) that was then clarified as a mistake.
Did any other channels get ad revenue claims? No.
Did it take days for the Legal Team to fix the issue? No.
Did the anti-GW crowd once again take a single incident and use it as justification to launch another wave of "GW is coming for YOU!" rhetoric? Yes.

Please show us where in this thread anyone said that, Gert.

 phandaal wrote:

People said that Games Workshop would probably be taking more action with respect to copyright, we were told that we were irrational fear monger haters, and now Games Workshop is doing the thing we said they would do.

You mean like this? Blowing a single incident out of proportion.
The topic has been brought up and I am pre-empting the arguments that have already been made elsewhere.

You guys think MWM is bad and moans all the time?!?!?! What on earth do you think of the other people who actually don't provide a balanced and reasonable discussion and argument.

MWM's video on the benefits of allowing casters/3d printers to license out the GW back catalogue is one of the most reasonable video's ever. And his video on Warhammer+, wasn't saying anything most of us posters have been saying on here... And in a much more polite manner I'd add.

Some of you need to take a look in the mirror and read back some of your own absolute bile you post on here. Pot Kettle Black.

 Gert wrote:

 phandaal wrote:

People said that Games Workshop would probably be taking more action with respect to copyright, we were told that we were irrational fear monger haters, and now Games Workshop is doing the thing we said they would do.

You mean like this? Blowing a single incident out of proportion.
The topic has been brought up and I am pre-empting the arguments that have already been made elsewhere.

No, I don't mean like that. I mean, who has said "Games Workshop is coming for YOU" as you claim.

You are preempting arguments that you are making up in your own head. You know this, of course. Anything to avoid thinking about the fact that Games Workshop is doing just what we said they would. Must be exhausting.

 phandaal wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 phandaal wrote:

People said that Games Workshop would probably be taking more action with respect to copyright, we were told that we were irrational fear monger haters, and now Games Workshop is doing the thing we said they would do.

You mean like this? Blowing a single incident out of proportion.
The topic has been brought up and I am pre-empting the arguments that have already been made elsewhere.

No, I don't mean like that. I mean, who has said "Games Workshop is coming for YOU" as you claim.

You are preempting arguments that you are making up in your own head. You know this, of course. Anything to avoid thinking about the fact that Games Workshop is doing just what we said they would. Must be exhausting.

Nah, you got called out and are just back tracking now and trying to gaslight Gert whilst doing it... Don't be that person.

Let me be clear: I stand by everything I said.

I don't stand by whatever delusion people invent in their head to argue against though.

It's just a play on a saying/meme 'They're coming for you', typically used in response to over the top conspiracy theorists spouting utter bubbles.... Much like a lot of this thread.

Wait? Since when did MWM get lumped in with the “hater” crowd? I got YouTube to stop recommending me his vids for the exact opposite reason, as he was too “white-knightey” for my tastes.

Weird. Has something happened and he’s gone and done a heel turn?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ugh MWM is so bad.
He went From an ok YouTuber to one that just seems to hate everything.

What MWM have you been watching? He mostly does painting and gameplay videos.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Wait? Since when did MWM get lumped in with the “hater” crowd? I got YouTube to stop recommending me his vids for the exact opposite reason, as he was too “white-knightey” for my tastes.

Weird. Has something happened and he’s gone and done a heel turn?

I've seen 'Uncle Atom' get lumped in with the hater crowd ever since he was critical of the Kill-Team Compendium too.

There can be no repentance for heresies once you've sinned against Almighty Rountree apparently.

Hail Corporate.

 Gert wrote:

Did the anti-GW crowd once again take a single incident and use it as justification to launch another wave of "GW is coming for YOU!" rhetoric? Yes.

Does it hurt GW in any noticeable, measurable way, and if yes, why do you care?

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Wait? Since when did MWM get lumped in with the “hater” crowd? I got YouTube to stop recommending me his vids for the exact opposite reason, as he was too “white-knightey” for my tastes.

Weird. Has something happened and he’s gone and done a heel turn?

I've seen 'Uncle Atom' get lumped in with the hater crowd ever since he was critical of the Kill-Team Compendium too.

There can be no repentance for heresies once you've sinned against Almighty Rountree apparently.

Hail Corporate.

I just assume every youtuber is a complete shill for GW and ignore them.

Which makes it funny when they get in trouble with the boss

Cronch wrote:
Does it hurt GW in any noticeable, measurable way, and if yes, why do you care?

Maybe I'm just sick of the constant aggro and negativity, as well as the attempts to maintain the momentum of said aggro and negativity.
By all means, be annoyed for a variety of reasons. But made-up stuff or stuff that has been blown out of proportion? Come on, it's not neccesary.

As a side note regarding "hurting GW". It's not the profit margins or shareholder dividends that suffer any time people get up in arms, it's the staff in shops and on the Community Team, it's people who aren't filled with an irrational hatred of a company, it's the general state of the hobby in general.
Nothing good comes from raiding the Twitch streams with rage about how "GW killed TTS/MWM/the latest inaccurate rage of the week".