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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Will Brood Brother squads be allowed to bring something other then just Grenade Launchers and Flamers now?

Who knows? (but those are still the only options in the box)

From the preview it appears you just add an imperial guard detachment but instead of regiment and imperium keywords they are brood brothers - so you just get the entries exactly as they appear in the IG codex.

The Black Adder wrote:
From the preview it appears you just add an imperial guard detachment but instead of regiment and imperium keywords they are brood brothers - so you just get the entries exactly as they appear in the IG codex.

Which, given 'new' IG troop box has all the options, will mean they can take all special weapons. Which would be nice, though then FUD brigade will quietly ignore it and will find something else to bash and complain about. Maybe the fact you will need to use two books to do what they wanted

I hope we get some more Custodes previews this week. It feels like we still know very little about the changes coming in the book. Less than we normally get pre release though that may be just me!

It doesn't look like custodes will be changing much beyond doing tai chi at the start of the battle and everything becoming damage 2 (and thus pretty crap)

The Black Adder wrote:
From the preview it appears you just add an imperial guard detachment but instead of regiment and imperium keywords they are brood brothers - so you just get the entries exactly as they appear in the IG codex.

ehhh...

It looks like they expected this to come out with or after the IG book. There's a bit of weirdness.


Notice the "Unaligned" bit.

stratigo wrote:
It doesn't look like custodes will be changing much beyond doing tai chi at the start of the battle and everything becoming damage 2 (and thus pretty crap)

Yea, my custodes pile of shame went on ebay and now I'm cranking out some Black Templars. I'm not a fan of how the new Custodes buffs were implemented...

Well, we don't know what strats and things they might have. I'm not sure we can necessarily say they are not going to be good. D:2 is better than D3 and i reckon they will be pretty durable.

Not with -1 dam on opponents which is starting to be more and more common turning d2 to d1

 xttz wrote:
The old Brood Brothers rules are such a word salad it's hard to be sure of what the changes are, but I think this is the jist:

Leadership bonus changed to +2 instead of +1

Can use orders and similar special rules now.

Can't be more than 25% of your army in points / PL

They already got orders as per the faq, but only to stuff they could order as IG.


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The Black Adder wrote:
From the preview it appears you just add an imperial guard detachment but instead of regiment and imperium keywords they are brood brothers - so you just get the entries exactly as they appear in the IG codex.

There is a difference between the Brood Brother unit entry, which is a stripped down IG squad in the GSC codex, and a Brood Brother detachment which is an IG army attached to a GSC force.

Oooh….GSC Ogryns.

Only because Ogryns are ace!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oooh….GSC Ogryns.

Only because Ogryns are ace!

Alas, Ogryns are not <REGIMENT> so cannot be Brood Brothers.

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:
From the preview it appears you just add an imperial guard detachment but instead of regiment and imperium keywords they are brood brothers - so you just get the entries exactly as they appear in the IG codex.

ehhh...

It looks like they expected this to come out with or after the IG book. There's a bit of weirdness.


Notice the "Unaligned" bit.

Unaligned exists for a few creatures and most buildings.

I think Kan's point is that right now ASTRA MILITARUM Detachments cannot include any UNALIGNED models in them, whereas newer codexes allow UNALIGNED models while maintaining the status as, say, DRUKHARI detachments.

Granted, in GT2021 they add a further restriction that UNALIGNED can only exist in Fortification detachments, so it's ultimately meaningless for the majority of the community that discusses the game on message boards.

My point was also that Astra Militarum right now just don't have anything "Unaligned" that I can think of off the top of my head.

And that wording is just Super Weird in the context of the article. Valkyries, for example, don't have the <Regiment> keyword but are plugged in the article as a Big Deal.

I'm guessing we'll see some kind of FAQ explaining that anything counting as Auxiliaries will be "Unaligned" going forward for Guard.

 Kanluwen wrote:
My point was also that Astra Militarum right now just don't have anything "Unaligned" that I can think of off the top of my head.

And that wording is just Super Weird in the context of the article. Valkyries, for example, don't have the <Regiment> keyword but are plugged in the article as a Big Deal.

I'm guessing we'll see some kind of FAQ explaining that anything counting as Auxiliaries will be "Unaligned" going forward for Guard.

Fortifications are unaligned so I would guess that was for them. I also think Valkyrie has been scrubbed from the article (but too lazy to check).

Huh, it was indeed scrapped. Seems like a writer made a mistake.

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Oy got their nades now s5... With AP.
Now that is an improvement!

Does anyone else really hate those symbols and miss actual English words that don't have to be decoded? How did anyone think that was good presentation for a statline that should be easily readable at a glance?

 Toofast wrote:
Does anyone else really hate those symbols and miss actual English words that don't have to be decoded? How did anyone think that was good presentation for a statline that should be easily readable at a glance?

Precisely because it saves them the translation and the logistical hassle of ensuring the boxes with english flyers go to english-speaking countries, those with spanish flyers to the spanish-speaking, japanese flyers to japanese-speaking, etc..

 Toofast wrote:
Does anyone else really hate those symbols and miss actual English words that don't have to be decoded? How did anyone think that was good presentation for a statline that should be easily readable at a glance?

As a Kill Team player - me circle, buddy.

Nice to know boneswords are going up to damage 2. It would be nicer if Tyranids are also FAQed with the upgrade.

Cultist knives from AP0 to AP-2 (probably combined with rending claws)

Metamorph talons & claws presumably both use the same S+1 AP-3 D1 profile now

Fairly standard changes for flat damage, although the key part for the Acolyte heavy weapons will be the special rules

Unaligned covers some of the Blackstone models as well. It's basically a catch-all for "Stuff that isn't explicitly one faction or the other".

The rock cutter went from damage d3 to flat 3.

Saw is unchanged

Drill is now ap -4

The Knife and claw seem rolled into one, guess that means less attacks. AP -2 means an overall buff though and we don't have to separate useless from good attacks anymore lol.

Blasting charges are great now lol. If they still have the grenade strat, pairing that with exposed targets could get nasty fast. Could even dump it all out the bed of a truck lol.

Points were always going to make or break these guys though. I'm betting 9ppm is the cheapest they could be, but wouldn't be shocked if they are more.

Metamorphs still seem weird, unless they have very competitive pricing or some special rule they are most likely staying on my shelf.


HOWEVER, the interesting part for me is that the metamorph claw is not the power fist the rumors stated, meaning that entire rumor dump comes into question. Thats the only one I remember off the top of my head without looking for them though.

 Irbis wrote:
Which, given 'new' IG troop box has all the options, will mean they can take all special weapons. Which would be nice, though then FUD brigade will quietly ignore it and will find something else to bash and complain about. Maybe the fact you will need to use two books to do what they wanted

Except the Brood Brother kit doesn't have the new Cadian sprue. Forgot about that, didn't'cha champ?

But hey, they may repackage them with the new sprue and a 20% price rise. Who knows?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Which, given 'new' IG troop box has all the options, will mean they can take all special weapons. Which would be nice, though then FUD brigade will quietly ignore it and will find something else to bash and complain about. Maybe the fact you will need to use two books to do what they wanted

Except the Brood Brother kit doesn't have the new Cadian sprue. Forgot about that, didn't'cha champ?

But hey, they may repackage them with the new sprue and a 20% price rise. Who knows?

Except the Brood Brothers kit is not what is being discussed, champ. That box is for the unit entry in the GSC book. The Brood Brothers detachment says to take an Astra Militarum detachment and then swap out the faction key words. There is nothing saying that an infantry squad in a Beood Beothers detachment loses access to plasma guns or bolters on the sergeant, they just cant take relics. Keep up, tiger!

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Well, we don't know what strats and things they might have. I'm not sure we can necessarily say they are not going to be good. D:2 is better than D3 and i reckon they will be pretty durable.

Damage 2 is better then d3 casually, but at this point in the edition, worse competitively.

Would actually be pretty nice if the GSC box did get redone, though.