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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 11:48:00
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Barpharanges
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't the KKK use that cross thing as well? (I'm not about to look it up myself 'cause, well, y'know, 'the algorithm' might take notice) The Klan use a variety of different symbols, so I imagine some groups do make use of it (though as a Christian/Christian Identity group, a lot of Klan types are eager to avoid the use of hostile norse symbols). They have their own icon though, which is a cross with a blood drip. https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/max_650x650/public/images/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/blood-drop-cross-1.jpg?itok=HaehI0bD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 12:01:01
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Hey, so I really appreciate the work here to educate people, and honestly think it's very important, but I can't be the only dakkadakka user who works for a nation's civil service and browses at work... Could we mayyyyybe host the extremist imagery off-site, please? I've worked with people in the past who would deadass just delete every trace of themselves from this site without even having posted in this thread (...like I have lol) because of how much spooky iconography is getting posted rn. Like I know it probably isn't against the rules and whatever, so sorry for armchair modding, but like - McBogus watches out for McBogus's ass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 12:16:17
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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First off, National socialists bad - we had a war and everything to prove the point.
CragHack wrote:All I can say is that I'm equally offended by anyone who paints a 5 pointed red star/sickle and hammer on his IG. Or the 'red gobbo revolushon', because we all know where they've taken the thing from.
An interesting point. The Nazi one is because it is an actual outlawed organisation under an international agreement. This covers successor organisations though it gets a bit murky where other national fascist movements come in. Communism and Soviet communism isn't. So do you go with what offends people, or a strict legalistic one?
Being equally offended is an interesting point as well. Whilst the Soviets were also guilty of territorial expansion through war they didn't have genocidal policies based on ethnicity to the same extent (to be clear they did have ethnic cleansing ones though the Soviets didn't see ethnicity in quite the same way we do). How much of the current condemnation and legal framework for it is based on the war and how much the murderous policies is certainly debateable. In terms of wider offence if you are say a native American would you consider the American flag to be a symbol of genocide? What about flags of former colonial empires? Shirts feature the mass murderer Mao? People who are anti gay would complain LGBT paraphernalia is offensive. And at the extreme end if you have a fear of spiders someone could have an army that evoked your deepest nightmares!
So to have a policy of nothing political clothing or model wise, it is quite hard to define the boundaries of that and it would vary from place to place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 12:37:33
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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CragHack wrote:All I can say is that I'm equally offended by anyone who paints a 5 pointed red star/sickle and hammer on his IG. Or the 'red gobbo revolushon', because we all know where they've taken the thing from.
If you don't see the difference between lionizing an ideology and lampooning it to the level of pasting it on the literally individually weakest model in the game and portraying them as a mob of squabbling diminuitive ineffective goblins, then IDK what to tell you my dude, it seems like you're maybe a bit easily offended.
^Also, to be clear, I do own a gretchin revolooshun army, I do not and wouldnt put soviet symbology on them. The banner of my gobbos is based on the gadsden flag in this case "No Step Bad."
There is an obvious distinction between something that's both making fun of and lionizing an ideology, and moving far enough away from the real-world symbols that youre not reminding people overly of groups that may have killed their family members.
See: Literally all of the imperium of man in the game warhammer 40,000.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 13:02:46
Subject: Re:Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Togusa wrote:and the swastika pattern is really weird because it's something I've never seen.
Someone commented this photo on the Goonhammer article - https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/312576fefe0290eb34b8fc852c5b9bb9e366af4d90941aa76ab8025382754854.jpg
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 13:21:39
Subject: Re:Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Looked up the Perun Company - looks like it's selling Azov Battalion (Ukrainian Neo-Nazi) clothing items and such, with modified Black Sun and S symbolism. Their description gives an indicator of their ideological slant, Company Sva Stone: Ukrainian production company founded in 2020 in Kyiv with a registered trademark. The mission of Sva Stone: to be a leader in quality of cloths for ideological people whose time has come! The principle of Sva Stone: Ukranian money to Ukranian hands for Ukrainian deeds! The main activity: manufacturing and selling of sport cloths for youth. The main customer: young sporty Ukrainians and Europeans, who prefer high-quality cloths of European production in casual style with an appropriate ideologic context. The aim of activity: to increase quality of life of our customers everyday by offering them more qualitative and affordable cloths, by encouraging and supporting healthy way of life and basic European values. I think we can confirm; this person is a Neo-Nazi.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 13:56:25
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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I mean even giving the biggest benefit of doubt here... no person growing up in Europe that received a basic school education DOESN'T know about the stigma that swastikas got thanks to former Germany.
Even if this guy is following a Norse religion and even if that symbol is 200% meant as an expression of belief rather than fascism... what nutjob would wear that in public.
Of course you know what you are doing here. And you do it on purpose. Live with the consequences of being shunned by society.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 14:04:02
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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People should have some common sense about how they dress and how people may react to that, if this neo-loser got kicked out of the tournament like he should have then it shouldn't have been any surprise why. These sort of situations go beyond blanket bans on political statements and more about general decency. I once agreed to play someone at a GW store and then realized that he had a shirt on that lampooned "I Heart NY" by changing the heart to a plane flying into the Twin Towers. Suffice to say I decided not to play the dude after realizing that because someone who puts on a shirt like that and thinks it's funny isn't worth my time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 14:08:06
Subject: Re:Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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bullyboy wrote:It's the venue's/ TO fault.
You need clear rules barring such clothing prior to attendance.
If playing the guy, walk away, take the loss, and move on. It's the right thing to do.
I've been placed in a similar predicament previously. Working in fitness area of college years ago and guy comes in with sleeveless shirt, sporting swastika tattoo visible underneath parts of the shirt. Nobody complains, but I know for a fact that there are members in that facility who are concentration camp survivors and so I approach him and ask if he would cover the tatoo. I didn't try to throw him out, I had a discussion first. He was polite and stated that he didn't see why he should cover it while there are other members working out with known gang affiliation tatoos visible. At that point, I left him to his workout, contacted management regarding policy (was a weekend so nothing was done til following week), and the policy was simply changed to disallow sleeveless shirts.
so again, unless illegal, it's up to the tournament organizers/venue to create a clearcut policy. In the meantime, take the loss and move on.
Still feel the thread should be locked as I just don't see it going in a positive direction.
I hate to say it, but the guy in your example did have a point. Known gang affiliation tattoos should have been long banned as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 14:51:50
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Andilus Greatsword wrote:People should have some common sense about how they dress and how people may react to that, if this neo-loser got kicked out of the tournament like he should have then it shouldn't have been any surprise why. These sort of situations go beyond blanket bans on political statements and more about general decency. I once agreed to play someone at a GW store and then realized that he had a shirt on that lampooned "I Heart NY" by changing the heart to a plane flying into the Twin Towers. Suffice to say I decided not to play the dude after realizing that because someone who puts on a shirt like that and thinks it's funny isn't worth my time.
"people should have common sense..." - imma stop you right there
In all seriousness - I am wholly surprised that this was allowed - and even more surprised they docked the players for not wanting to play with the Neo Nazi. Also, the person with the tshirt about 9/11 - REALLY - how are people this daft? Why am I being wowed with the newest low
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:04:43
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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fidel wrote: Andilus Greatsword wrote:People should have some common sense about how they dress and how people may react to that, if this neo-loser got kicked out of the tournament like he should have then it shouldn't have been any surprise why. These sort of situations go beyond blanket bans on political statements and more about general decency. I once agreed to play someone at a GW store and then realized that he had a shirt on that lampooned "I Heart NY" by changing the heart to a plane flying into the Twin Towers. Suffice to say I decided not to play the dude after realizing that because someone who puts on a shirt like that and thinks it's funny isn't worth my time.
"people should have common sense..." - imma stop you right there
In all seriousness - I am wholly surprised that this was allowed - and even more surprised they docked the players for not wanting to play with the Neo Nazi. Also, the person with the tshirt about 9/11 - REALLY - how are people this daft? Why am I being wowed with the newest low
Yeah an overtly real world political symbol with a massively negative stereotype is reasonable to refuse to be around. "I have a career and I do not want to put my family and/or future at risk because someone snapped a picture of me playing games with someone wearing a nazi jacket." The Taylor Swift Swastika scandal is a huge example where you don't even have to be the person wearing it to have it negatively impact your career.
Edit: How did they TO not ask the guy to leave or change his attire after multiple people refused to play him causing actual issues for the tournament?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:11:51
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Barpharanges
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I am 100% going to suggest sympathises probably existed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:23:04
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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On the topic of symbols being misappropriated (I am not saying this is happening in this case) I would love to get a tattoo of a Great War soldier, one of those outlines or silhouette which are commonly used in commemorations. This is largely because I have an immense interest in the period but it is too associated with patriotism and general right wingness, and I happen to be very left wing, so it is perhaps best avoided.
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Coenus Scaldingus wrote:In my day, you didn't recognize the greatest heroes of humanity because they had to ride the biggest creatures or be massive in size themselves. No, they had the most magnificent facial hair! If it was good enough for Kurt Helborg and Ludwig Schwarzhelm, it should be good enough for anyone! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:25:17
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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The guy was a neo nazi and his group were all neo nazis.
And the opponent that took the photos, and actually made his presence known to the public, and his group, had a verbal discussion with those idiots.
They said that if they were offended, they (The neo nazis) had the same right to be offended if they where feminists or homosexuals.
I won't say the TO's were simpatizers with any of this ideology. But as all the time, this pieces of gak played the victim card, and said that they would call the police, to report that they were being discriminated agaisnt by their ideology (the irony lol) so with a 800 person tournament the TO's didn't wanted any of that gak.
I don't believe the TO's did the right thing. And people like this shouldn't be in the hobby. Not only because of their ideology, but because it is clear that they were going to cause conflict with all those symbols and clothes.
It sucks but is just a small portion of the present day political climate. This kind of people exist in our hobby. And this is the kind of people GW told they would not be missed.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:25:19
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Samsonov wrote:On the topic of symbols being misappropriated (I am not saying this is happening in this case) I would love to get a tattoo of a Great War soldier, one of those outlines or silhouette which are commonly used in commemorations. This is largely because I have an immense interest in the period but it is too associated with patriotism and general right wingness, and I happen to be very left wing, so it is perhaps best avoided.
I think as long as you don't have a phrase like "NO MORE BROTHER WARS" beneath it, you'll probably be fine. Automatically Appended Next Post: Galas wrote:The guy was a neo nazi and his group were all neo nazis.
And the opponent that took the photos, and actually made his presence known to the public, and his group, had a verbal argument with those idiots.
They said that if they were offended, they had the same right to be offended if they where feminists or homosexuals.
I won't say the TO's were simpatizers with any of this ideology. But as all the time, this pieces of gak played the victim card, and said that they would call the police, to report that they were being discriminated agaisnt by their ideology (the irony lol) so with a 800 person tournament the TO's didn't wanted any of that gak.
I don't believe the TO's did the right thing. And people like this shouldn't be in the hobby. Not only because of their ideology, but because it is clear that they were going to cause conflict with all those symbols and clothes.
It sucks but is just a small portion of the present day political climate. This kind of people exist in our hobby. And this is the kind of people GW tould they would not be missed.
I am thankful for an explanation of why the TO made the decision from someone actually there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:32:57
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Ok so by reading this thread I discovered that Warhammer isn't apparently for everyone and that Nordics and pagans are all racists because...they like Odin and runes (  )
This guy is wearing no identifiable (neo)nazi symbols (there wouldn't be 2 pages of explanations otherwise, none of the example provided being like the one he is wearing) and as far as we know, behaved correctly despite being harassed. Yet pictures of him are public on the internet trying to shame him... What a world.
a_typical_hero wrote:I mean even giving the biggest benefit of doubt here... no person growing up in Europe that received a basic school education DOESN'T know about the stigma that swastikas got thanks to former Germany.
Even if this guy is following a Norse religion and even if that symbol is 200% meant as an expression of belief rather than fascism... what nutjob would wear that in public.
Of course you know what you are doing here. And you do it on purpose. Live with the consequences of being shunned by society.
So islamic clothing should be illegal in public ? Since islamic terrorism made 9/11, Bataclan.... Shouldn't it ?
See, that makes no sense. If he was a real priest, it doesn't matter what usurpers did with his symbols.
In such a situation, I think the most basic thing to do, is to discuss with the guy, like in the fitness room example and why not asking him to remove his jacket and / or to lend him a new one. But at the end of the day, he didn't do anything bad or illegal, so I don't think there would be a good way to make him to go if he doesn't want to be cooperative.
Warhammer is getting more and more mainstream, which mean more and more people from all over society are getting in, and, as such, previously nonexistent problems are slipping into it too. I guess it's going to be more frequent especially that nowadays everyone is offended by everything
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:46:19
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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Can you back up the claim that this was a religious issue? I think you can't but I am interested. Saw some commente that GW needs to do something about this. Not GW's biggest fan at all, but I disagree this is an issue for them. If it was an official event, yeah, but GW don't need to police every idiot in the fanbase and to do so would just get the idiots more attention, which is no doubt what they want. Best approach is nobody plays against them or deals with them at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:48:34
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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godardc wrote:Ok so by reading this thread I discovered that Warhammer isn't apparently for everyone and that Nordics and pagans are all racists because...they like Odin and runes (  ) This guy is wearing no identifiable (neo)nazi symbols (there wouldn't be 2 pages of explanations otherwise, none of the example provided being like the one he is wearing) and as far as we know, behaved correctly despite being harassed. Yet pictures of him are public on the internet trying to shame him... What a world. a_typical_hero wrote:I mean even giving the biggest benefit of doubt here... no person growing up in Europe that received a basic school education DOESN'T know about the stigma that swastikas got thanks to former Germany. Even if this guy is following a Norse religion and even if that symbol is 200% meant as an expression of belief rather than fascism... what nutjob would wear that in public. Of course you know what you are doing here. And you do it on purpose. Live with the consequences of being shunned by society. So islamic clothing should be illegal in public ? Since islamic terrorism made 9/11, Bataclan.... Shouldn't it ? See, that makes no sense. If he was a real priest, it doesn't matter what usurpers did with his symbols. In such a situation, I think the most basic thing to do, is to discuss with the guy, like in the fitness room example and why not asking him to remove his jacket and / or to lend him a new one. But at the end of the day, he didn't do anything bad or illegal, so I don't think there would be a good way to make him to go if he doesn't want to be cooperative. Warhammer is getting more and more mainstream, which mean more and more people from all over society are getting in, and, as such, previously nonexistent problems are slipping into it too. I guess it's going to be more frequent especially that nowadays everyone is offended by everything He is wearing the icon of the Spanish Falange, the Yoke and Arrows. Another user has offered a further account detailing he is a Neo-Nazi. You have 100% wilfully chosen to ignore this because it completely cripples your entire argument, which is some kind of whataboutism about Islam or Muslims or something. No one claimed all Nordics or Pagans are Nazis or Racists. You are outright lying and misrepresenting previous posts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:49:50
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Galas wrote:The guy was a neo nazi and his group were all neo nazis.
And the opponent that took the photos, and actually made his presence known to the public, and his group, had a verbal discussion with those idiots.
They said that if they were offended, they (The neo nazis) had the same right to be offended if they where feminists or homosexuals.
I won't say the TO's were simpatizers with any of this ideology. But as all the time, this pieces of gak played the victim card, and said that they would call the police, to report that they were being discriminated agaisnt by their ideology (the irony lol) so with a 800 person tournament the TO's didn't wanted any of that gak.
I don't believe the TO's did the right thing. And people like this shouldn't be in the hobby. Not only because of their ideology, but because it is clear that they were going to cause conflict with all those symbols and clothes.
It sucks but is just a small portion of the present day political climate. This kind of people exist in our hobby. And this is the kind of people GW told they would not be missed.
If you do not mind I am adding this to the first post I made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:54:51
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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blood reaper wrote: godardc wrote:Ok so by reading this thread I discovered that Warhammer isn't apparently for everyone and that Nordics and pagans are all racists because...they like Odin and runes (  )
This guy is wearing no identifiable (neo)nazi symbols (there wouldn't be 2 pages of explanations otherwise, none of the example provided being like the one he is wearing) and as far as we know, behaved correctly despite being harassed. Yet pictures of him are public on the internet trying to shame him... What a world.
a_typical_hero wrote:I mean even giving the biggest benefit of doubt here... no person growing up in Europe that received a basic school education DOESN'T know about the stigma that swastikas got thanks to former Germany.
Even if this guy is following a Norse religion and even if that symbol is 200% meant as an expression of belief rather than fascism... what nutjob would wear that in public.
Of course you know what you are doing here. And you do it on purpose. Live with the consequences of being shunned by society.
So islamic clothing should be illegal in public ? Since islamic terrorism made 9/11, Bataclan.... Shouldn't it ?
See, that makes no sense. If he was a real priest, it doesn't matter what usurpers did with his symbols.
In such a situation, I think the most basic thing to do, is to discuss with the guy, like in the fitness room example and why not asking him to remove his jacket and / or to lend him a new one. But at the end of the day, he didn't do anything bad or illegal, so I don't think there would be a good way to make him to go if he doesn't want to be cooperative.
Warhammer is getting more and more mainstream, which mean more and more people from all over society are getting in, and, as such, previously nonexistent problems are slipping into it too. I guess it's going to be more frequent especially that nowadays everyone is offended by everything
He is wearing the icon of the Spanish Falange, the Yoke and Arrows. Another use has offered a further account detailing he is a Neo-Nazi. You have 100% wilfully chosen to ignore this because it completely cripples your entire argument, which is some kind of whataboutism about Islam or Muslims or something.
No one claimed all Nordics or Pagans are Nazis or Racists. You are outright lying and misrepresenting previous posts.
1/ It has been showed numerous time, not proven. It's clearly a different one, but maybe you should take another look.
They even thought it was a Weimar symbol at first...
2/ it has been brought before me, a book even got quoted. Just get a single page back and you can even read the title...
I'm baffled, are you reading the same thread as me ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:58:08
Subject: Re:Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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"It has been shown numerous times".
Yes because symbols have VARIATIONS. It is had a red yoke and arrows - a symbol, in Spain, near exclusively associated with the Falange movement. Are you seriously trying to suggest this is just some wacky coincidence?
Yes, and my previous post was that numerous (not all, which of course, you ignore) prominent Pagan groups had often possessed links to Neo-Nazi movements.
The sheer dishonesty is staggering.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 15:59:39
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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godardc wrote:Ok so by reading this thread I discovered that Warhammer isn't apparently for everyone and that Nordics and pagans are all racists because...they like Odin and runes (  )
This guy is wearing no identifiable (neo)nazi symbols (there wouldn't be 2 pages of explanations otherwise, none of the example provided being like the one he is wearing) and as far as we know, behaved correctly despite being harassed. Yet pictures of him are public on the internet trying to shame him... What a world.
a_typical_hero wrote:I mean even giving the biggest benefit of doubt here... no person growing up in Europe that received a basic school education DOESN'T know about the stigma that swastikas got thanks to former Germany.
Even if this guy is following a Norse religion and even if that symbol is 200% meant as an expression of belief rather than fascism... what nutjob would wear that in public.
Of course you know what you are doing here. And you do it on purpose. Live with the consequences of being shunned by society.
So islamic clothing should be illegal in public ? Since islamic terrorism made 9/11, Bataclan.... Shouldn't it ?
See, that makes no sense. If he was a real priest, it doesn't matter what usurpers did with his symbols.
In such a situation, I think the most basic thing to do, is to discuss with the guy, like in the fitness room example and why not asking him to remove his jacket and / or to lend him a new one. But at the end of the day, he didn't do anything bad or illegal, so I don't think there would be a good way to make him to go if he doesn't want to be cooperative.
Warhammer is getting more and more mainstream, which mean more and more people from all over society are getting in, and, as such, previously nonexistent problems are slipping into it too. I guess it's going to be more frequent especially that nowadays everyone is offended by everything
Don't wear a hoodie or whatever it is with a 'totally not a swastika' logo on it.
The end.
That you feel the need to defend someone wearing 'totally not a swastika' and need to resort to 'but what about X' says a lot about you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 16:00:18
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Guys I know you'll probably take this out of context and get side tracked to the bigger culture war we are living right now. But this is not a case of "you need to ear the two versions of the story" or blablabal. A bunch of neonazis go with not-neonazi symbology in their clothes from an Ukranian company that makes technically legal not-neonazi clothing. They get in a heated argument with a rival group saying some nasty stuff. The TO's asked an actual police officer that was playing in the tournament if they could actually get in trouble for banning those neonazis and he said that yes, they could actually sue them for discrimination, and thats why they allowed them to keep playing. But theres no "maybe he was a priest" "maybe he was wearing symbols that represents his love for Rainbow Dash from my little pony" FFS. Sorry for the incoherent rambling, because right now I'm having a difficult time writting my toughts on the matter in a comprehensible way in english
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 16:00:20
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Barpharanges
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Ordana wrote:
That you feel the need to defend someone wearing 'totally not a swastika' and need to resort to 'but what about X' says a lot about you.
He is 100% a sympathiser.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 16:04:01
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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And I'll ask for people to not think this is something common in the spanish warhammer hobby or to paint us with a broad brush.
This has been debated in most whatssap groups here and some relatively big personalities, like owners of some of the bigger stores in the country have come out to call out this pieces of gak.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 16:05:48
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Barpharanges
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Galas wrote:And I'll ask for people to not think this is something common in the spanish warhammer hobby or to paint us with a broad brush.
This has been debated in most whatssap groups here and some relatively big personalities, like owners of some of the bigger stores in the country have come out to call out this pieces of gak.
I personally don't buy into the claims of some people in the hobby that Warhammer is filled with neo-fascists or neo-Nazis. I do find there are concentrations of people I would describe as sympathisers (and on occasion, cryptos). The problem is when one of these people is spotted, rather than people being worried over the sheer intellectual vileness of their beliefs, they say "Oh but they were polite!"
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 16:11:30
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Dakka Veteran
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Galas wrote:And I'll ask for people to not think this is something common in the spanish warhammer hobby or to paint us with a broad brush.
This has been debated in most whatssap groups here and some relatively big personalities, like owners of some of the bigger stores in the country have come out to call out this pieces of gak.
I hope no one is doing that - and I am super glad they are being called out over there!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 16:16:41
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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godardc wrote:Ok so by reading this thread I discovered that Warhammer isn't apparently for everyone and that Nordics and pagans are all racists because...they like Odin and runes (  )
This guy is wearing no identifiable (neo)nazi symbols (there wouldn't be 2 pages of explanations otherwise, none of the example provided being like the one he is wearing) and as far as we know, behaved correctly despite being harassed. Yet pictures of him are public on the internet trying to shame him... What a world.
So islamic clothing should be illegal in public ? Since islamic terrorism made 9/11, Bataclan.... Shouldn't it ?
See, that makes no sense. If he was a real priest, it doesn't matter what usurpers did with his symbols.
In such a situation, I think the most basic thing to do, is to discuss with the guy, like in the fitness room example and why not asking him to remove his jacket and / or to lend him a new one. But at the end of the day, he didn't do anything bad or illegal, so I don't think there would be a good way to make him to go if he doesn't want to be cooperative.
Warhammer is getting more and more mainstream, which mean more and more people from all over society are getting in, and, as such, previously nonexistent problems are slipping into it too. I guess it's going to be more frequent especially that nowadays everyone is offended by everything
Give me a break. I highly doubt it is a coincidence this guy is wearing at least two symbols which are slight deviations from commonly used fascist symbols. Was propably happenstance as well to shop the jacket from a niche eastern european company that is even writing in their own "about us" section what kind of people they are? And it was most likely the first time wearing those things in public as well, otherwise somebody would have approached him about it already to highlight these symbols COULD be misinterpreted? Yeah, what a world we live in.
It just looks like the usual cowardice neo-nazi behaviour where they are too afraid to make it 100% clear what kind of person they are. Instead you skirt around at the edge of legality by covering up your loNSDAle sweatshirt lol.
The guy is free to defend himself, innocent until proven guilty. But he knows what he is doing.
Your analogy is false. Swastika symbols are not similar to Islamic clothing. ISIS flags are. And you can bet that you get into trouble with people if you wear that openly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 16:18:50
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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blood reaper wrote: Galas wrote:And I'll ask for people to not think this is something common in the spanish warhammer hobby or to paint us with a broad brush. This has been debated in most whatssap groups here and some relatively big personalities, like owners of some of the bigger stores in the country have come out to call out this pieces of gak. I personally don't buy into the claims of some people in the hobby that Warhammer is filled with neo-fascists or neo-Nazis. I do find there are concentrations of people I would describe as sympathisers (and on occasion, cryptos). The problem is when one of these people is spotted, rather than people being worried over the sheer intellectual vileness of their beliefs, they say "Oh but they were polite!" I don't think the hobby is filled with neo-Fascists or neo-Nazis, but I do think it is filled with people who understand what is appealing about those ideologies. You can go on any discussion forum (here, Reddit, FB, whatever) and post something like "Virtues of the Eldar: they have and maintain a better quality of life for their people compared to the Imperium" and people will very soon fill it with xenophobic "HFY" (humanity feth yeah!) posts about why the Imperium is actually better and all mankind is better off and that the Imperium is totally justified in being as brutal and ruthless and bloody as it is. People who act that way are very much the types who see the appeal in being "Hard Men who make Hard Decisions in a Hard World while Hard" which is basically a shorthand for neo-fascism imo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/11/12 16:55:05
Subject: Nazi Player in Spanish Tournament
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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godardc wrote:Ok so by reading this thread I discovered that Warhammer isn't apparently for everyone and that Nordics and pagans are all racists because...they like Odin and runes (  )
This guy is wearing no identifiable (neo)nazi symbols
Dude, the pages of responses are pointing out that he's wearing the symbol for the SPANISH fascist party (you know, the one that was in charge of the govt in spain after the civil war there that kicked off WW2) which is, admittedly, less globally recognizable than the swastika....a symbol he was also wearing, albeit very slightly disguised.
The level of dissonance required to assert this guy is wearing no neonazi symbols is just amazing tbh.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
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"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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