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 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.

Less sniper rifle, more howdah gun, I think. Not one of the flashier energy weapons but something with solid punch to drop a charging tiger/space marine in their tracks.
If I’m reading the rumours right, these are going to resemble the Harlequin two-player jetbikes more than Vypers so a full on heavy weapon mount isn’t likely.

 silverstu wrote:


Thats not the pose at all - I was talking about this image, which is likely given how they've used similar Gibbons artwork for models.

Spoiler:

That would be a nice look and it's definitely a classic pic well known from 2nd ed just like vampire Mephiston. I hope that whatever pose they choose that's it's not yet another jumping off of a something precariously posed mid strike supported by only by a tippy toe and maybe hair or ribbons of cloth flowing about like they're in wind testing tunnel or cat5 hurricane.

Sniper Bright Lances.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Sniper Bright Lances.

Why not? Marines have sniper lascannons.

The only precedent for a box like that in recent memory (outside of the obvious launch/starter boxes, which isn't a valid comparison) would be shadowspear. The Ossiarch/Ogor box would be a close second (Ossiarch side was an entirely unreleased faction at that point, so that was the first time those minis and the rules for that faction were available). After that, its Blood of the Phoenix - Craftworlds and Drukhari each got a new character and a new unit in the box, with the rest being older kits. As a general rule these 2 player battleboxes tend to only feature one new mini or unit per side, its rare to see them offering a whole slew of brand new sculpts like what is being described here. Only if you go back to 7th edition do you see anything else truly comparable (like Death Masque or Deathwatch Overkill).

Its entirely possible that this is another Shadowspear-like box, but it seems so unlikely that they would give chaos 2 of those two editions in a row. The Shadowspear box also had a *lot* more content in it than what the contents of this box would seem to describe (and I'm not sure that Rangers, some jetbikes, and an autarch are an even match for a warpsmith, chosen, and a forgefiend).

Also the hedging on this (in the "note") is suspect. If they are releasing a box with both chaos and eldar in it like this, that means the plan was for a dual release from the beginning, its real hard to say that it should be taken with a grain of salt and its extremely unlikely, etc. when the rumor itself implies it to be true.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The only precedent for a box like that in recent memory (outside of the obvious launch/starter boxes, which isn't a valid comparison) would be shadowspear. The Ossiarch/Ogor box would be a close second (Ossiarch side was an entirely unreleased faction at that point, so that was the first time those minis and the rules for that faction were available). After that, its Blood of the Phoenix - Craftworlds and Drukhari each got a new character and a new unit in the box, with the rest being older kits. As a general rule these 2 player battleboxes tend to only feature one new mini or unit per side, its rare to see them offering a whole slew of brand new sculpts like what is being described here. Only if you go back to 7th edition do you see anything else truly comparable (like Death Masque or Deathwatch Overkill).

Its entirely possible that this is another Shadowspear-like box, but it seems so unlikely that they would give chaos 2 of those two editions in a row. The Shadowspear box also had a *lot* more content in it than what the contents of this box would seem to describe (and I'm not sure that Rangers, some jetbikes, and an autarch are an even match for a warpsmith, chosen, and a forgefiend).

Also the hedging on this (in the "note") is suspect. If they are releasing a box with both chaos and eldar in it like this, that means the plan was for a dual release from the beginning, its real hard to say that it should be taken with a grain of salt and its extremely unlikely, etc. when the rumor itself implies it to be true.

Or it could be a new combat patrol box, which have been used to introduce multiple new kits in a go, like chaos warriors, or orks

You know what? I'd take a combat patrol that has nothing but new models.

 GaroRobe wrote:
You know what? I'd take a combat patrol that has nothing but new models.

Now those aren't unprecedented.

Dudeface wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
You know what? I'd take a combat patrol that has nothing but new models.

Now those aren't unprecedented.

True. But I'm a huge fan of the Slaves to Darkness SC and Ork Combat patrols (the latter of which had one older model). They're a great compromise between people who prefer the older models (like ork boyz) which are still sold and people who want all new models.

Though, that does imply that the terribly old eldar kits would still be in circulation, which isn't something anybody really wants

Combat patrols don't have two factions in them.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat patrols don't have two factions in them.

They don't but its not unheard of for a battles box to be split out into separate force boxes.

My thoughts are that the forgefiend either isn't a forgefiend or is a push fit version maybe, then this ends up being a new shadowspear (if accurate).

chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat patrols don't have two factions in them.

No but Shadowspear was split into two Combat Patrol boxes after relase.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.

Right, becauae that one chick in the Mandalorian who had the sniper rifle and jetbike was such a terrible idea.

Pretty sure a certain GSC model does have a similar thing going.

 bullyboy wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.

Right, becauae that one chick in the Mandalorian who had the sniper rifle and jetbike was such a terrible idea.

Pretty sure a certain GSC model does have a similar thing going.

Both of which are single people using it to reposition which is not how these are being described by the people who supposedly saw then

chaos0xomega wrote:
The only precedent for a box like that in recent memory (outside of the obvious launch/starter boxes, which isn't a valid comparison) would be shadowspear. The Ossiarch/Ogor box would be a close second (Ossiarch side was an entirely unreleased faction at that point, so that was the first time those minis and the rules for that faction were available).

Make sure to factor in the 'GW' of it all: Their only consistency is there inconsistency.

They change horses mid-race so often that picking patterns is often a fool's errand.

I'm a little surprised that the infantry known for stealth and concealment are being put on a jetbike.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm a little surprised that the infantry known for stealth and concealment are being put on a jetbike.

After GW gave the Mehreens a Stealth Dreadnought, nothing will suprise me.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm a little surprised that the infantry known for stealth and concealment are being put on a jetbike.

It happens a lot tbh, GSC sneaky sneak on quad bikes, marine scouts are super stealthy on bikes, primaris infiltrators are stealthy they say? Bang one in a dreadnought!

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I'm a little surprised that the infantry known for stealth and concealment are being put on a jetbike.

After GW gave the Mehreens a Stealth Dreadnought, nothing will suprise me.

A stealth dreadnought with several 50 cal machine guns.

So much stealth, so much sneeking, so much wow!

A jet bike is fast and discreet. It makes sense on a level larger than the table size lol, when they want to move to new positions quickly for reconnaissance or to outrun enemies who are nearing them, etc. But yeah on the table it doesn’t make a huge amount of sense.

Yeah I mean Star Wars Imperial Scouts also had jetbikes.

A jetbike makes much more sense for a fast redeploying scout unit than a normal bike.

Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.

 Dysartes wrote:
Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.

Maybe they don’t fire while moving?

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Just to be clear, Rangers on Jetbikes I don't really mind - Rangers on tandem jetbikes, with the person riding pillion firing a sniper rifle while they move is where I have issues.

Maybe they don’t fire while moving?

Then what's the point of a tandem? If they don't fire and drive at the same time, then why have a crew of two?

They are super sniper space elves. Of course they fire on the move.

There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.

 bullyboy wrote:
There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.

Oh I do remember. Particularly when doing things like sliding downstairs with a shield, or a mumak and all. I do remember many people stating "that's fething stupid".

That threshold varies from people to people. Go figure.

I'd personally prefer a Vyper, myself, which is basically already a fast sniper.

 Albertorius wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.

Oh I do remember. Particularly when doing things like sliding downstairs with a shield, or a mumak and all. I do remember many people stating "that's fething stupid".

That threshold varies from people to people. Go figure.

I'd personally prefer a Vyper, myself, which is basically already a fast sniper.

well, there are those people who will literally bitch and whine about everything, can't avoid that. Fun people to be around too

 bullyboy wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
There's a series of movies where this elf fella is really good at shooting a bow accurately while running, jumping, sliding etc. It kinda showed the ability of elves to be quick and do what other species have to do while stationary. Can't remember anyone really being annoyed with it? Go figure.

Oh I do remember. Particularly when doing things like sliding downstairs with a shield, or a mumak and all. I do remember many people stating "that's fething stupid".

That threshold varies from people to people. Go figure.

I'd personally prefer a Vyper, myself, which is basically already a fast sniper.

well, there are those people who will literally bitch and whine about everything, can't avoid that. Fun people to be around too

"My example was found to be flawed, therefore the people who found the flaws must be the problem..."