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Thanks for the leaks Hellebore. Looks like Ghosthelms got a minor nerf.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Thanks for the leaks Hellebore. Looks like Ghosthelms got a minor nerf.

That and Runes of the Farseer. I really hope that's all gonna come with a major points decrease, which seems somewhat likely as the Power Level seems have dropped 1PL on both INFANTRY and Skyrunner varieties.

On the on hand I'm sad that Farseers are no more reliable at casting than human/Marine Psykers. Them being notably better at casting has always been their schtick.
On the other hand, it might be nice for the Farseer not to be such an obvious auto-take unit. I've always liked my Autarch Skyrunner as an army leader anyway.

Still interested in seeing what kinds of Seer Council shenanigans are possible since Warlocks are spotless with Farseers.

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Am I reading this right?

Crimson Hunter, two brights and a pulse that autohits and rerolls wounds v FLY? I'm guessing like 250 points, but...good night Crisis suits....

I guess they'll need something to pull drones off. Woe betide any other flier that goes second against this thing.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Am I reading this right?

Crimson Hunter, two brights and a pulse that autohits and rerolls wounds v FLY? I'm guessing like 250 points, but...good night Crisis suits....

I guess they'll need something to pull drones off. Woe betide any other flier that goes second against this thing.

+30pts to ~180pts is ~210pts.

But yes, they auto hit any FLY units with their attacks - technically it means they also auto hit in melee, so you'd get 3 S6 ap- wound rolls against anything you get into melee with....

I'm thinking the brights will up the price a little ( maybe ).

 Hellebore wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Am I reading this right?

Crimson Hunter, two brights and a pulse that autohits and rerolls wounds v FLY? I'm guessing like 250 points, but...good night Crisis suits....

I guess they'll need something to pull drones off. Woe betide any other flier that goes second against this thing.

+30pts to ~180pts is ~210pts.

But yes, they auto hit any FLY units with their attacks - technically it means they also auto hit in melee, so you'd get 3 S6 ap- wound rolls against anything you get into melee with....

By having any power, the Crimson Hunter Exarch also gets a BS upgrade so they would be hitting on 2+'s anyway with their ranged weapons. Eyes of Khaine then would seem a relatively modest upgrade going from hitting on 2+ to auto-hit.

Modest, but very useful. Having lost his reroll 1's ability, you want something to make sure his big shots hit. Also, it'll make flying monsters and such think twice before charging in for an easy kill. Auto-hitting overwatch!

 Hellebore wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Am I reading this right?

Crimson Hunter, two brights and a pulse that autohits and rerolls wounds v FLY? I'm guessing like 250 points, but...good night Crisis suits....

I guess they'll need something to pull drones off. Woe betide any other flier that goes second against this thing.

+30pts to ~180pts is ~210pts.

But yes, they auto hit any FLY units with their attacks - technically it means they also auto hit in melee, so you'd get 3 S6 ap- wound rolls against anything you get into melee with....

The Crimson Hunter can auto-hit in Melee...that's an interesting design choice. I'd expect that for something like the Helldrake, not an agile dogfighter.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Am I reading this right?

Crimson Hunter, two brights and a pulse that autohits and rerolls wounds v FLY? I'm guessing like 250 points, but...good night Crisis suits....

I guess they'll need something to pull drones off. Woe betide any other flier that goes second against this thing.

+30pts to ~180pts is ~210pts.

But yes, they auto hit any FLY units with their attacks - technically it means they also auto hit in melee, so you'd get 3 S6 ap- wound rolls against anything you get into melee with....

The Crimson Hunter can auto-hit in Melee...that's an interesting design choice. I'd expect that for something like the Helldrake, not an agile dogfighter.

The pilot is so good he pokes out the eyes of the heldrake with the nose of his plane

Sad news about the Vyper.

It can no longer replace its catapults with a Shuriken Cannon, has no invuln save, and does not have CORE or JETBIKE keywords.

I sense that the good old Vyper is foreseeing a squatting. Makes me kind of sad as it was the Vyper that got me collecting Eldar back in 1999.

 Eldarsif wrote:
It can no longer replace its catapults with a Shuriken Cannon...

Of course not. No model/no rule.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Sad news about the Vyper.

It can no longer replace its catapults with a Shuriken Cannon, has no invuln save, and does not have CORE or JETBIKE keywords.

I sense that the good old Vyper is foreseeing a squatting. Makes me kind of sad as it was the Vyper that got me collecting Eldar back in 1999.

Maybe they're going to redo it? I've never liked it doorstop wedge design, it's so back heavy. If they use the voidweaver chassis to build the new vyper, they could also release the hornet as another plastic unit...

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Am I reading this right?

Crimson Hunter, two brights and a pulse that autohits and rerolls wounds v FLY? I'm guessing like 250 points, but...good night Crisis suits....

I guess they'll need something to pull drones off. Woe betide any other flier that goes second against this thing.

Forge the narrative

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Am I reading this right?

Crimson Hunter, two brights and a pulse that autohits and rerolls wounds v FLY? I'm guessing like 250 points, but...good night Crisis suits....

I guess they'll need something to pull drones off. Woe betide any other flier that goes second against this thing.

Forge the narrative

My narrative is using a crimson exarch to charge a character with only one remaining wound and hitting it 3 times with the tip of my wing, taking their head off...

Crimson Hunter lost its double pivot.

Viper seems to have gone the way of the Piranha.

8 power to Wraithlord also makes me kind of suspect they'll be any good. That's 160~ points isn't it? I guess that's accounting for a ghostglaive, 2 flamers, 2 bright lances or something build. But still.

Oooh. Wraithlord can take heavy weapons and a ghost glaive. I’m probably wrong but that’s a change I think?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oooh. Wraithlord can take heavy weapons and a ghost glaive. I’m probably wrong but that’s a change I think?

No it can take 2 HW and a sword right now.

It's lost a Wound.

Could Wraithlords always double up on heavy weapons?

I thought they used to only be able to take one.

Khahandran wrote:
Crimson Hunter lost its double pivot.

Cant be having Eldar planes be as nimble as those T7, 1+ Armour AdMech Planes

 Eldarsif wrote:
It can no longer replace its catapults with a Shuriken Cannon, has no invuln save, and does not have CORE or JETBIKE keywords.

I mean, Shining Spears don't have a JETBIKE keyword either - though they keep BIKER - so that isn't a sign of the Rhana Dandra.

As HBMC pointed out, the lack of the shuricannon upgrade is a NMNR issue.

It does feature the Ride the Wind rule, which is part of the Jetbike package, but is also noted as being a VEHICLE rather than a BIKER - which is interesting, but not erminal.

 vipoid wrote:
Could Wraithlords always double up on heavy weapons?

I thought they used to only be able to take one.

Current Codex allows for two alongside the sword.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
It can no longer replace its catapults with a Shuriken Cannon, has no invuln save, and does not have CORE or JETBIKE keywords.

I mean, Shining Spears don't have a JETBIKE keyword either - though they keep BIKER - so that isn't a sign of the Rhana Dandra.

As HBMC pointed out, the lack of the shuricannon upgrade is a NMNR issue.

It does feature the Ride the Wind rule, which is part of the Jetbike package, but is also noted as being a VEHICLE rather than a BIKER - which is interesting, but not erminal.

The Vyper is just a very lackluster "vehicle" as it is currently. With no -1 to hit or invuln save, not being able to use potential biker stratagem, and then having an issue with the the mismatch between the main weapon and the catapults I just can't see the Vyper ever seeing sunny days. At the same time it is fighting other better units for space.

Points cost will be a huge factor for the Vyper as it did lose quite a bit from its previous incarnation, which was arguably mediocre.

Ynnari attribute had improved and the extra stuff isn't bad

 Sarigar wrote:
Points cost will be a huge factor for the Vyper as it did lose quite a bit from its previous incarnation, which was arguably mediocre.

PL 3 indicates that with weapons it sits at 60 points(w. weapons). Maybe there are some stratagems that help boost the humble Vyper, but with how mediocre it has been for editions I can't say I am optimistic.

Any unit takes a casualty and all its ranged and melee is hitting on 2+...

Very glad to see the Wraithlord lost a Wound. Now it doesn't have degrading stats. And with -1Dmg, it's still more durable overall at 9W than it was with 10W without the -1Dmg

Kinda sad that Vypers can't take double Shuricannons anymore, but I get it. Maybe they'll be a cheap way to spam BLs for a Saim-hann army.

I'm also disappointed that none of the BIKE datasheets we've seen so far have been given auto-6" Battle Focus to go with the auto-6 Advance.
I suppose it's good for balance, but it's gonna add a lot more rolling to my bike heavy lists.
It also kills my hope that Windriders will get auto-6 BF. Maybe they do get it and that's what sets them apart from Spears and Shroud runners? Because otherwise why would you take WRs?

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 Hellebore wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:
In the OP pics of the elder rangers what is that little white statue thing?

Each of the aspect plastic units and now the rangers come with an eldar god statue for funsies.

avengers -asuryan
banshees - morai heg
rangers - kurnous (incidentally supposed to be the father of the eldar)
reapers - khaine in his aspect as the reaper

Incubi - Ahra

Sad about the vypers, but not unexpected. I got some good milage out of a pair of double cannon ones. For their points they put out a decent amount of firepower on the move. Also a way to get some heavy guns into a bike list and still feel the wind in your hair.

Better get to painting my second war walker. They’ve been the better choice for a while now, but theme has kept me fielding the vyper.