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 Marshal Loss wrote:

drbored wrote:
There's a bit new info in there.

Nah those aren't actually new, that information was first posted a while ago. Was posted on Dakka as well but evidently might not have made it onto this topic. Night Lords also already have a Vox Scream stratagem that allows them to shut down auras, but the others are new. Not a huge surprise though as I'd expect a good chunk of the Faith & Fury era material to stick around in some form.

The turn 1 DS stratagem is a little odd given that only matched play prevents you from deep striking on turn 1; not sure if there are any existing stratagems that only apply to matched play?

There was actually some new information provided/clarified today in the time since I made that post:

Just posted a correction. I made an error transcribing the nurgle daemonic gift. Misread it .

Nurgle daemonic gift.

-1 to wound instead of -1 damage.

GSC can pay points to up the strategic reserve turn counter up by one so they can do a turn 1 DS though it's still limited to restrictions on where you can go on what battle round +1 it is. Turn 1 is turn 2 and so on and so forth.

Still pretty skeptical about this, but this right here intrigues me:

Unmarked units gain some support from stratagems and renegade traits (build a warband)

So, does this mean that some custom traits benefit Unmarked units? Or does it work similar to this supposed rule for Chosen?:

Chosen

3w
Stat wise similar to CSM troops (6'' S4 T4 3+/no invul)
No news on WS BS or A
can use TH (unconfirmed)
Gain gain an additional trait that you can choose, this trait is one of traits from the list of build a warband traits

So can Chosen just get one of the custom traits for free while other Unmarked units can get them for points similar to how Marked units can pay points for the Icons and Daemonic Gifts? Is this the new version of Veteran Skills? Will going Unmarked actually be as viable as taking a Mark again if this leak is true?

So Eldritch storm welcomes the warpsmith on one of those dumb ovals bases. Hadn't realized that before.

With the models all pictured together, its a pretty underwhelming box.

Voss wrote:
So Eldritch storm welcomes the warpsmith on one of those dumb ovals bases. Hadn't realized that before.

With the models all pictured together, its a pretty underwhelming box.

Yeah, strange. At least we'll see if those rumours are complete bull when we'll have the data sheets for the new Chosen.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

Voss wrote:
So Eldritch storm welcomes the warpsmith on one of those dumb ovals bases. Hadn't realized that before.

With the models all pictured together, its a pretty underwhelming box.

Yeah, strange. At least we'll see if those rumours are complete bull when we'll have the data sheets for the new Chosen.

Five bucks says the box includes the current rules - including the single wound.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

Voss wrote:
So Eldritch storm welcomes the warpsmith on one of those dumb ovals bases. Hadn't realized that before.

With the models all pictured together, its a pretty underwhelming box.

Yeah, strange. At least we'll see if those rumours are complete bull when we'll have the data sheets for the new Chosen.

Five bucks says the box includes the current rules - including the single wound.

Probably. Nobody gets a second (or possibly third) wound until the codex. Nobody. Gotta get that manufactured discontent up to maximum levels.

Well the chosen loadout looks like it'll be a mess as expected, I spy:
2x combi weapon
2x plasma pistol
2x bolt pistol
2x bolter
2x chainsword
2x chainaxe
1x fist
1x paired claws
1x power axe
1x power sword
1x power maul



Images via some random unboxing by table talk and linked on B&C by Petitioners City.

Why is the Warpsmith on an oval base, while the Techmarine is on a regular circle?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Why is the Warpsmith on an oval base, while the Techmarine is on a regular circle?

Same reason as Yvraine, long trailing cloak?

More base size means more room for conversions. And capes. Very important thing for the leader of an army to have.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

Voss wrote:
So Eldritch storm welcomes the warpsmith on one of those dumb ovals bases. Hadn't realized that before.

With the models all pictured together, its a pretty underwhelming box.

Yeah, strange. At least we'll see if those rumours are complete bull when we'll have the data sheets for the new Chosen.

Five bucks says the box includes the current rules - including the single wound.

Good thing I'm not a betting man !

I don't see any thunder hammers, so there goes that part of the leak. Plenty of heads though. I count 13.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

Voss wrote:
So Eldritch storm welcomes the warpsmith on one of those dumb ovals bases. Hadn't realized that before.

With the models all pictured together, its a pretty underwhelming box.

Yeah, strange. At least we'll see if those rumours are complete bull when we'll have the data sheets for the new Chosen.

Not really depending on when csm book coming out. Gw has been known to put updated datasheet in box and redo it again right away with new book shortly after.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I don't see any thunder hammers, so there goes that part of the leak. Plenty of heads though. I count 13.

Would that not be the two-handed Maul?
(genuine question- I haven't got the 8th ed codex chaos, so no idea what the current wepon stats are)

Edit- cool I'm still a fresh-faced user!

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I don't see any thunder hammers, so there goes that part of the leak. Plenty of heads though. I count 13.

Was that the 4chan part of the rumour though ?

Plant wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I don't see any thunder hammers, so there goes that part of the leak. Plenty of heads though. I count 13.

Would that not be the two-handed Maul?
(genuine question- I haven't got the 8th ed codex chaos, so no idea what the current wepon stats are)

Edit- cool I'm still a fresh-faced user!

No, that's a Power Maul. Thunder hammers are, well, hammers.

DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I don't see any thunder hammers, so there goes that part of the leak. Plenty of heads though. I count 13.

Was that the 4chan part of the rumour though ?

Yeah. Probably best to sort anything from that troll cave out.

That's a lot of heads on the chosen sprue. Makes you wonder why they chose (heh heh) those two god awful bald heads for the promotional image...

 GaroRobe wrote:
That's a lot of heads on the chosen sprue. Makes you wonder why they chose (heh heh) those two god awful bald heads for the promotional image...

If communication managers had tastes we'd know it

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I don't see any thunder hammers, so there goes that part of the leak. Plenty of heads though. I count 13.

Worth stressing; that part of the leak was from 4chan, not from the same source leaking everything else:

something to ignore invuls (4chan leak, so take with a grain of salt, leak said EC chosen could destory custodes hitting with TH on a 2+ and with strat ignore invul saves)

Posted on 24 Jan.

Everything else though AFAIK is from the same source, so if anything other than the EC thunder hammer chosen line is proven false, apply further salt accordingly.

Anyway, glad the Chosen kit has plenty of heads etc, as that was mostly what I was interested in the kit for.

I am more interested in what combination Chosen can take their weapons.

Personally, I'm hoping they don't get the Plague Marine treatment, because I converted a squad with hammers when they first got access to them.

That'll learn me, I guess.

Someone pointed out that the warpsmith's backpack has the round piece that primaris have.

This is why you shouldn't use a primaris techmarine as the base for a chaos model.

Unless he somehow stole a primaris suit of armor and upgraded it

 Sotahullu wrote:
I am more interested in what combination Chosen can take their weapons.

Same. I've always used Chosen and intend to continue to do so. I don't mind as much if they can't spam special weapons, but I don't want to have to roll for a mish-mash of melee weapons every time they get in a fight.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Same. I've always used Chosen and intend to continue to do so. I don't mind as much if they can't spam special weapons, but I don't want to have to roll for a mish-mash of melee weapons every time they get in a fight.

Well, that's going to be their future.

 GaroRobe wrote:
That's a lot of heads on the chosen sprue. Makes you wonder why they chose (heh heh) those two god awful bald heads for the promotional image...

Ditto for the two new SM models. Not only they choose two garbage, bald heads having 4 others to pick, they hid cool pose, two handed banner grip and you could only see it exists combing through Ancient photo gallery. A+ marketing

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I don't see any thunder hammers, so there goes that part of the leak. Plenty of heads though. I count 13.

Wait, someone remembered that CSM are supposed to be distinct army with their own identity, not SM++? And lots of helmets? First good news I heard from this release

 GaroRobe wrote:
Someone pointed out that the warpsmith's backpack has the round piece that primaris have.

This is why you shouldn't use a primaris techmarine as the base for a chaos model.

Unless he somehow stole a primaris suit of armor and upgraded it

Can we please stop repeating inane FUD drivel from 4chan?

Round reactor thingy with skull on it is insanely common element across Imperial and Chaos armies in both HH and 40K, unless, according to you, these models are primaris too? And that's just first minute of looking

 GaroRobe wrote:
Unless he somehow stole a primaris suit of armor and upgraded it

Yeah, there's no way whatsoever that a Chaos Space Marine obsessed with technology would loot and corrupt more advanced tech to graft onto their own armour that could very well be thousands of years old, that would just be silly.

Dudeface wrote:
Well the chosen loadout looks like it'll be a mess as expected, I spy:
2x combi weapon
2x plasma pistol
2x bolt pistol
2x bolter
2x chainsword
2x chainaxe
1x fist
1x paired claws
1x power axe
1x power sword
1x power maul

Images via some random unboxing by table talk and linked on B&C by Petitioners City.

The most basic thing you can make out of this would be...

2 chosen with chainsword and bolt pistol
1 chosen with paired claws
2 chosen with bolters

As soon as you want to put a bolt pistol with any other melee weapon, then you're relegated to using the plasma pistols or combi weapons to fill out the rest of the squad. So...

2 chosen with chainswords and bolt pistol
1 chosen with paired claws
2 chosen with chain axes and plasma pistols

The above is likely the cheapest all-melee loadout you'll be able to make.

Now, chainswords and bolt pistols aren't necessarily hard to come by in other chaos marine kits, so I hope that at the very least they retain the ability to take bolt pistol and chainsword across the entire group base... But, if not... this is going to be a mighty disappointing datasheet.

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Edit: On second look, I count x5 bolters. One looks like it may strap to a model's backpack, but definitely 5.
I also count x4 Chainswords. Again, one or two look like they strap to the back.

So, it's possible that the "base" loadout is that each chosen comes with a bolter, chainsword, and bolt pistol (some may be strapped to the models hips) and that the champion may take one of the power weapons. If this is the case, it's not the worst, but not the best.

There are at least 4 Chainswords on there, two of them separate without hands.

It's possible that there could be a 5th.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There are at least 4 Chainswords on there, two of them separate without hands.

It's possible that there could be a 5th.

Not seeing a 5th so far, but it looks like most of the torsos have a pistol holster of some kind.

My thinking is that the 'base' loadout for chosen will be Bolter, Chainsword, AND Bolt Pistol, and the champion can choose a power weapon.

From there, it'll be the slog of 'one model can take this' and 'one model can swap this for this, and another can swap that for this', etc.

Why is GW obsessed with showing off bald Marine heads in promo pictures?