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Unless accursed weapons are str+2, AP-3, and damage 3, in which case no one is going to care they're all the same stats.

Isnt that literally the entry from the current Codex? Always chance for an unfortunate change.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Isnt that literally the entry from the current Codex? Always chance for an unfortunate change.

Yes, which 100% matches the rumor about the Accursed Weapons. Said the box would come with the old sheet, and the codex would have the Accursed Weapons profiles.

Yeah, they still have 1 wound after all.

Would be a damn shame. Going from being able to take a slew of special weapons and heavy weapons to...

Well, some glorified bolter-carriers with maybe two combi-bolters.

Oh well.

The final nail in the coffin for me will be updated Chaos Bikers. If that part of the rumor is true, then I imagine the nu-GW will strip them down of all options and turn them into the same thing as Primaris Outriders.

I can dream that maybe they'll at least give the champion in a Chaos Biker unit a special weapon, but... well, at this point, I'm not counting on it.

How reliable is the guy making up these "codex rumors"?

 aracersss wrote:
How reliable is the guy making up these "codex rumors"?

About as reliable as any rumour outlet, which is to say: not at all. They have been posting on a thread on B&C and are apparently in contact with someone who has at least seen the codex. Not much more info is known.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
How reliable is the guy making up these "codex rumors"?

About as reliable as any rumour outlet, which is to say: not at all. They have been posting on a thread on B&C and are apparently in contact with someone who has at least seen the codex. Not much more info is known.

Thier source has a playtest copy from what I can make out. In theory at least, could be made up, but something to discuss and ruminate over is better than nothing.

Dudeface wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
How reliable is the guy making up these "codex rumors"?

About as reliable as any rumour outlet, which is to say: not at all. They have been posting on a thread on B&C and are apparently in contact with someone who has at least seen the codex. Not much more info is known.

Thier source has a playtest copy from what I can make out. In theory at least, could be made up, but something to discuss and ruminate over is better than nothing.

Yeah, I enjoy discussing these things, as it helps pass the time between releases and reveals.

It could all prove to be bunk, but time will tell.

 Plant wrote:
Unless accursed weapons are str+2, AP-3, and damage 3, in which case no one is going to care they're all the same stats.

The current rumor puts the Accursed Weapons at the statline of a Power Sword. I think I'll be okay with that.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Plant wrote:
Unless accursed weapons are str+2, AP-3, and damage 3, in which case no one is going to care they're all the same stats.

The current rumor puts the Accursed Weapons at the statline of a Power Sword. I think I'll be okay with that.

Well, Power Sword with an extra attack, anyway. I'd rather max of both Sword/Axe, so S+2 AP-3 but whatever.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Isnt that literally the entry from the current Codex? Always chance for an unfortunate change.

It has the Astartes Chainsword being the only difference.

 Sasori wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Isnt that literally the entry from the current Codex? Always chance for an unfortunate change.

It has the Astartes Chainsword being the only difference.

Actually, they got the Astartes Chainsword when Codex: Space Marines came out and a number of other common weapons (heavy bolter, meltagun, etc...) were updated game-wide.

Which, really, makes CSM not getting their second wound yet even MORE aggravating.


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 Eldarsif wrote:

 Plant wrote:
Unless accursed weapons are str+2, AP-3, and damage 3, in which case no one is going to care they're all the same stats.

The current rumor puts the Accursed Weapons at the statline of a Power Sword. I think I'll be okay with that.

I wouldn't. Between Bladeguard Veterans, Scarab Terminators, and the loss of most other options, Accursed Weapons better be master-crafted.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Which, really, makes CSM not getting their second wound yet even MORE aggravating.

Every boon from the Gods of Chaos comes with an equal bane to remind us that they are not on our side, and that it is we who serve them:

You can have your second wound, but to do so you must give up all your cult troops and weapon individuality. You will forever be shackled with a sword or a hammer or a lightning claw that for some reason all act in the same manner, all whilst the Adeptus Astartes shoot at you with 23 different types of Bolter.

Choose carefully!

Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Terminator loadout leaks from B&C:

Basic loadout: Combi-Bolters + Accursed Weapons

For every 5 models:

1 may exchange their Combi-Bolter for a Reaper Autocannon or heavy flamer

1 may exchange their Combi-Bolter for an additional Accursed Weapon

3 may exchange their Accursed Weapon for a power fist

1 may exchange their Accursed Weapon for a chainfist

2 may exchange their Combi-Bolters for a combi-flamer

2 may exchange their Combi-Bolters for a combi-melta

1 may exchange their Combi-Bolter for a combi-plasma

I feel dirty just typing that. 26 years of CSM rules just sacrificed on the alter of GW's inability to put enough options in the box.

I now return you to this annoying "competitive vs casual" debate that seems to be infecting dakka.

Edit: B&C poster says that there is NO stratagem for Accursed Weapons.

So if this follows the kit -- where are the lightning claws? I'm guessing the mace and axe are "accursed"?

There's also only two power fists - not three. Poweraxe?



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 Sasori wrote:
Here is the Datasheet from the Box. Would be a horrible bait and switch after this datasheet if they went with the accursed weapon non-sense.

So, exactly the same as present. Still W1...lol...

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Well hello there ! Nice seeing you here ! (that'll save Dudeface and Gadzilla666 the journey )

Now that you are here do you want to ad something to what we already know about your work ? (origin of your source, etc...)

 Daedalus81 wrote:
So if this follows the kit -- where are the lightning claws? I'm guessing the mace and axe are "accursed"?

There's also only two power fists - not three. Poweraxe?

Everything the light touches is our kingdom that isn't a Power or Chainfist is an 'Generic Close Combat Weapon'.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
So, exactly the same as present. Still W1...lol...

Because those aren't the new rules.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Greetings! Welcome to dakka, though I see you're not exactly new, but just not a frequent poster here. You're going to be absolutely bombarded with questions. Let me start!

1: Can you possibly elaborate on "Unmarked units gain some support from stratagems and renegade traits"? Does that mean that there are specific custom traits that benefit Unmarked units? Or can they gain those traits similar to how Chosen can, only by paying points instead of for free like Chosen?

2: Your source said that the Night Lords trait doesn't stack. Is it possible that only applies to the +1CA, and the leadership debuff does stack? Because if it doesn't, it will be useless against many factions.

My apologies for being so forward, but I've been dying to get a chance to ask you these questions.

@Daedalus: It's assumed that the "1 model in 5 can exchange their Combi-Bolter for an additional Accursed Weapon" is the lighting claws.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Terminator loadout leaks from B&C:

Basic loadout: Combi-Bolters + Accursed Weapons

For every 5 models:

1 may exchange their Combi-Bolter for a Reaper Autocannon or heavy flamer

1 may exchange their Combi-Bolter for an additional Accursed Weapon

3 may exchange their Accursed Weapon for a power fist

1 may exchange their Accursed Weapon for a chainfist

2 may exchange their Combi-Bolters for a combi-flamer

2 may exchange their Combi-Bolters for a combi-melta

1 may exchange their Combi-Bolter for a combi-plasma

I feel dirty just typing that. 26 years of CSM rules just sacrificed on the alter of GW's inability to put enough options in the box.

I now return you to this annoying "competitive vs casual" debate that seems to be infecting dakka.

Edit: B&C poster says that there is NO stratagem for Accursed Weapons.

So if this follows the kit -- where are the lightning claws? I'm guessing the mace and axe are "accursed"?

There's also only two power fists - not three. Poweraxe?



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 Sasori wrote:
Here is the Datasheet from the Box. Would be a horrible bait and switch after this datasheet if they went with the accursed weapon non-sense.

So, exactly the same as present. Still W1...lol...

Having just built my terminators yesterday, there are 3 powerfists in the kit. The Lightning Claws are Accursed Weapons (dual lightning claws being represented by swopping combi-bolter for a second accursed weapon)

Nothing new as of yet, as for my source I've already mentioned some info on B&C. Found him on reddit leaking info about the eldar codex, looked through his history and discovered he had been leaking tidbits as comments in different posts for the past 5 months... and following the massive leak of validated info on codex eldar, all his comments were true. We only communicate by reddit chat.


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Greetings! Welcome to dakka, though I see you're not exactly new, but just not a frequent poster here. You're going to be absolutely bombarded with questions. Let me start!

1: Can you possibly elaborate on "Unmarked units gain some support from stratagems and renegade traits"? Does that mean that there are specific custom traits that benefit Unmarked units? Or can they gain those traits similar to how Chosen can, only by paying points instead of for free like Chosen?

2: Your source said that the Night Lords trait doesn't stack. Is it possible that only applies to the +1CA, and the leadership debuff does stack? Because if it doesn't, it will be useless against many factions.

My apologies for being so forward, but I've been dying to get a chance to ask you these questions.

@Daedalus: It's assumed that the "1 model in 5 can exchange their Combi-Bolter for an additional Accursed Weapon" is the lighting claws.

1: I asked and chosen gaining an extra trait is the only unit in the codex that can do that, its my opinion that this ability is equivalent to the veteran skills from codex 3.5.
2: Yup it is non stacking, but that isnt so much and issue when you think about it. Most units and vehicules are LD 8 and below (almost all drukhari units, a lot of space marine units have LD8 (apart from elites and HQ with ld9), nids have terrible LD, guard as well. things that have good LD usually have either low model count (custodes who we kill through volume of attacks) or swarm (necrons, its easier to drop them to half strength) anything LD 9 like most hqs or thing like imperial knights, a NL raptor can easily tag it.

Personnaly I am hoping to get the DG stratagem for -4LD on terminators.

And no problem ask away, no one in my entourage plays CSM so the forums have been the best place to share these, reddit/facebook/4chan have been a cesspool.

LC in chosen or terminator squads are accursed weapons from what I understand.

Weird that Chosen would get a special ability but not Chaos Terminators, which are just Chosen with Terminator Armour.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
LC in chosen or terminator squads are accursed weapons from what I understand.

Please don't take this as a personal attack when I say that I wish you were lying about all of this...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Weird that Chosen would get a special ability but not Chaos Terminators, which are just Chosen with Terminator Armour.

Not a new concept to GW, really. Sternguards have had specialist ammo while terminators "wallow" for ages in the vanilla dex.

I think that's the trade off, Terminators get 2+/5++ (and bolter discipline to fire at max shots at max range at all times? idk if that's still in the book), Chosen get skills.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Welcome, appreciate you stopping by and answering questions, even if I don't like the answer to some of them!

My main question is what kind of support is there for Daemon Engines in the book? Is Daemonforge still in? Does it do the same thing?

No questions from me clockwork Chris just thank you for your time.

 Sasori wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Welcome, appreciate you stopping by and answering questions, even if I don't like the answer to some of them!

My main question is what kind of support is there for Daemon Engines in the book? Is Daemonforge still in? Does it do the same thing?

Ill ask for daemonforge, but I was told that warpsmiths and disco lords were pretty much the same.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Welcome, appreciate you stopping by and answering questions, even if I don't like the answer to some of them!

My main question is what kind of support is there for Daemon Engines in the book? Is Daemonforge still in? Does it do the same thing?

Ill ask for daemonforge, but I was told that warpsmiths and disco lords were pretty much the same.

Thanks for sharing what you've found and being a line of communication to the person leaking the stuff.

Is there any way you can ask about Chaos Bikers? They were rumored as a unit getting an updated kit (alongside Possessed and Cultists). I'd be really curious to see if their rules have changed at all.

drbored wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Welcome, appreciate you stopping by and answering questions, even if I don't like the answer to some of them!

My main question is what kind of support is there for Daemon Engines in the book? Is Daemonforge still in? Does it do the same thing?

Ill ask for daemonforge, but I was told that warpsmiths and disco lords were pretty much the same.

Thanks for sharing what you've found and being a line of communication to the person leaking the stuff.

Is there any way you can ask about Chaos Bikers? They were rumored as a unit getting an updated kit (alongside Possessed and Cultists). I'd be really curious to see if their rules have changed at all.

Already asked for that one, but no info yet. I am very interested in seeing what there rules will be, seeing that if all this info is true, CSM has no more pure shooting unit for special weapons spam.

Rihgu wrote:
Not a new concept to GW, really. Sternguards have had specialist ammo while terminators "wallow" for ages in the vanilla dex.

I think that's the trade off, Terminators get 2+/5++ (and bolter discipline to fire at max shots at max range at all times? idk if that's still in the book), Chosen get skills.

But that's equipment, not abilities. I understand that difference, I don't understand this one.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:

drbored wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Welcome, appreciate you stopping by and answering questions, even if I don't like the answer to some of them!

My main question is what kind of support is there for Daemon Engines in the book? Is Daemonforge still in? Does it do the same thing?

Ill ask for daemonforge, but I was told that warpsmiths and disco lords were pretty much the same.

Thanks for sharing what you've found and being a line of communication to the person leaking the stuff.

Is there any way you can ask about Chaos Bikers? They were rumored as a unit getting an updated kit (alongside Possessed and Cultists). I'd be really curious to see if their rules have changed at all.

Already asked for that one, but no info yet. I am very interested in seeing what there rules will be, seeing that if all this info is true, CSM has no more pure shooting unit for special weapons spam.

Yeah, that's true and weird, since if Terminators and Chosen can only take what's in their boxes, then they can't really spam any particular weapon, they're always paying the 'bolter tax'. Meanwhile, Space Marines and many other factions have multiple kinds of 'special weapons' units that can take all one of something...

drbored wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:

drbored wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
Hello I am the poster of the leaks on B&C.

Welcome, appreciate you stopping by and answering questions, even if I don't like the answer to some of them!

My main question is what kind of support is there for Daemon Engines in the book? Is Daemonforge still in? Does it do the same thing?

Ill ask for daemonforge, but I was told that warpsmiths and disco lords were pretty much the same.

Thanks for sharing what you've found and being a line of communication to the person leaking the stuff.

Is there any way you can ask about Chaos Bikers? They were rumored as a unit getting an updated kit (alongside Possessed and Cultists). I'd be really curious to see if their rules have changed at all.

Already asked for that one, but no info yet. I am very interested in seeing what there rules will be, seeing that if all this info is true, CSM has no more pure shooting unit for special weapons spam.

Yeah, that's true and weird, since if Terminators and Chosen can only take what's in their boxes, then they can't really spam any particular weapon, they're always paying the 'bolter tax'. Meanwhile, Space Marines and many other factions have multiple kinds of 'special weapons' units that can take all one of something...

either bikers are going to be insane shooting wise or CSM might be the faction to rock vehicules. The legion traits and super doctrines as well as standard doctrine really boost them alot.