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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Agreed. I'm nervous for Possessed.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Flayed Ones of Mono-Pose?

You have every right to be worried.

I think the worst part of the Flayed Ones kit was mostly putting it together. I have never felt as miserable putting together a mini. I think the only kit I hate more is the Skaven Arch-Warlock which I looked at, tried to fit, and then dumped it into the pile of shame when I can bother fielding a dremel on the balcony.

The Arch-warlock maybe gets a pass since it's an "older" model and metal (honestly amazed that Ikit Klaw wasn't turned to finecast, but the GW site says metal.)

Flayed Ones are a new plastic kit and the fact that they're such a nuisance to assemble is unforgivable. Especially since it's a monopose kit that could have just been easy-to-build or snapfit.

 JNAProductions wrote:
You don’t get Legion Traits in a mixed detachment.

You’d have to take Harken in an Aux, then-and you’d lose the super doctrine type ability, probably.

Right - he'd have to get the rule to be addable as an exception, which is unlikely for someone of his stature. There's still spawn, which I know Gad won't like. Not sure what else might have LD malus.

 Sasori wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
New info

Helbrutes cannot have icons (i am guessing it is the same for daemonic gifts)

Chaos terminator sorcerer now has a familiar

Csm troops can now purchase a book that makes the unit a psychic unit. Also they can have a 2 handed chainaxe option (im asking what it does and the rest of their loadout)

Now, that is super intreasting. Being able to turna squad into a Psyker has some intreating implications with the new CA missions.


What about the Human style possesed or Mutants from that one rumor? Is there any info on those?

So the mutant unit can be built with a mixe or 2 types of models.

Small mutants
S4 t4 ap1 melee

Big mutant
S5 t4 ap2 melee

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Right - he'd have to get the rule to be addable as an exception, which is unlikely for someone of his stature.

You never know. When he got FAQ'd to have his rule only effect Black Legion Raptors GW changed his rule back to all Raptors regardless of subfaction to make it fit with the idea of the Black Legion leading many different Warbands under the banner of Abaddon.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
New info

Helbrutes cannot have icons (i am guessing it is the same for daemonic gifts)

Chaos terminator sorcerer now has a familiar

Csm troops can now purchase a book that makes the unit a psychic unit. Also they can have a 2 handed chainaxe option (im asking what it does and the rest of their loadout)

Now, that is super intreasting. Being able to turna squad into a Psyker has some intreating implications with the new CA missions.


What about the Human style possesed or Mutants from that one rumor? Is there any info on those?

So the mutant unit can be built with a mixe or 2 types of models.

Small mutants
S4 t4 ap1 melee

Big mutant
S5 t4 ap2 melee

Oh you did mention these before, I apologize for asking a question that has already been answered.


I guess I'm just ready to get the codex at this point hahah.

so what are these?

... also anyone saw the new rules for harlequin weapons? Stratagems for weapons is a clusterfeth. Feels like they did on harlequins just to use them as a scapegoat before the announcement of accursed weapons (if truthful)

 aracersss wrote:
so what are these?

Those are the existing cultists from the BSF expansion.

Edit. These guys:

You can see "ammo can boy" and "heavy stubbed girl" in the very front.

 Jack Flask wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
so what are these?

Those are the existing cultists from the BSF expansion.

Edit. These guys:

You can see "ammo can boy" and "heavy stubbed girl" in the very front.

And in the back, behind the Master of Possession, the very distinct big guy with the long flamer, the tusks and all.

Sloth from the Goonies was really a heretic this whole time.

Having seen the Chosen with the 360 degree view, I really like the champion and I'm not sold on the rest. A lot of them seem to have recycled CAD elements from the Death Guard, with the power fist, to the tentacles holding bolters on their backpacks. They are slightly more mutated than the standard CSM kit, but only barely. At most, they have tentacles on their backpacks or maybe one on their leg or a single fleshy cable. Far less gribbly than the DV Chosen. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to your personal opinion. Personally, although I prefer the DV chosen, the rampant mutations were a bit too "possessed" for my taste.

Also, not that it's new since we saw the sprues, but I like the optional god-specific icons. I'm hoping for a god-specific head for the champion as well. It definitely looks like two of the heads could be for khorne or tzeentch/slaanesh.

Woah woah, hold up. There's actual proper Icons in this kit? Not just generic star and eye of Horus?

 Gert wrote:
Woah woah, hold up. There's actual proper Icons in this kit? Not just generic star and eye of Horus?

I took a close look at the sprue pics yesterday and it seems there's a small generic Chaos Star on a backpack pole, as well as 4 circular icons that glue into that star.

 Gert wrote:
Woah woah, hold up. There's actual proper Icons in this kit? Not just generic star and eye of Horus?

Yea you can see them here:



They do seem fairly small, however.

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
New info

Helbrutes cannot have icons (i am guessing it is the same for daemonic gifts)

Chaos terminator sorcerer now has a familiar

Csm troops can now purchase a book that makes the unit a psychic unit. Also they can have a 2 handed chainaxe option (im asking what it does and the rest of their loadout)

I can't remember a time when Helbrutes (dreadnoughts) could take icons. May be meaning Marks?

Chaos terminator sorcerer getting his familiar back is pretty great.

Wait wait wait. Chaos Space Marine troops can purchase a book that makes the unit psychic... and a 2 handed chainaxe option? Is this about the cultists, or actual Chaos Marines? Just checking.

drbored wrote:

 clockworkchris9 wrote:
New info

Helbrutes cannot have icons (i am guessing it is the same for daemonic gifts)

Chaos terminator sorcerer now has a familiar

Csm troops can now purchase a book that makes the unit a psychic unit. Also they can have a 2 handed chainaxe option (im asking what it does and the rest of their loadout)

I can't remember a time when Helbrutes (dreadnoughts) could take icons. May be meaning Marks?

Chaos terminator sorcerer getting his familiar back is pretty great.

Wait wait wait. Chaos Space Marine troops can purchase a book that makes the unit psychic... and a 2 handed chainaxe option? Is this about the cultists, or actual Chaos Marines? Just checking.

I am intrigued by this too. The upgrade of the book and the chainaxe, is it a unit improvement only in points (like a specialization) or does it mean that it can be represented in the miniature? if it is the latter, it would surely mean that the KT against corsairs are chaos marines and not cultists or renegade guard...

zamerion wrote:
The upgrade of the book and the chainaxe, is it a unit improvement only in points (like a specialization) or does it mean that it can be represented in the miniature?

It sounds to me like a copy of the Black Templars 'Relic Bearers' rules. Non-character infantry and biker units can take one per unit for a small points / power level increase. Each upgrade is max 1 per army and the specific model carrying it has to be marked in some visually obvious way. BT need a chaplain in the army to do it, so CSM might need to have a sorcerer or dark apostle.

@clockworkchris9 thank you for your insights!

I would dare to ask some questions, as aside from Chosen there is still a lot to get to piece the codex together. Then of course answer how you can.

What about faction mechanics (eg. contagions, acts of faith)? Shall we expect something other than "Dark Doctrines" ?

What about faction upgrades that you pay with points (eg. mechanicus orders, sisters' blessings)? Is it just icons and marks for core and characters? Seems something too generic to me

Can your contact give us some more examples of stratagems/traits/relics?

What about psychic powers? Will be there one for sorcerers and one for MoPs as before? Shall we expect the same powers of TS's Dark Hereticus?

Is there some interesting change in datasheets? For example I would expect some changes to Master of Execution and Exalted Champions, which rarely worked as intended.

Finally, for a broader feedback, do you have some indiscretion about the design of the faction? What was the aim? To have just a mirror of SMs like Chaos Knights? A synergic force with Daemons and cultist? A three codex in one as Drukhari?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
You don’t get Legion Traits in a mixed detachment.

You’d have to take Harken in an Aux, then-and you’d lose the super doctrine type ability, probably.

Right - he'd have to get the rule to be addable as an exception, which is unlikely for someone of his stature. There's still spawn, which I know Gad won't like. Not sure what else might have LD malus.

Yeah, no spawn in my Night Lords. No Black Legion defector either, my guys don't fight "under the banner of Abaddon" (ugh). The only help they'll get is Raptors. Which goes to show what's wrong with the trait: you shouldn't have to take specific units just to make it work. But I'm not worried. These are just leaks, and they're supposed to be coming from playtest rules. So, it's quite possible that they'll change. If not, I'll just use some of the custom traits that suit me better.

But enough of that, have you seen the full 360 views of the new Chosen? I won't be using those helmetless heads, but besides that, those are some real Veterans of the Long War.

I wonder how long until they're available separately on eBay......

I just bought a £20 forgefiend on sprues, this box is doing me some favours.

Dudeface wrote:
I just bought a £20 forgefiend on sprues, this box is doing me some favours.

That's a great thing about battle boxes: Market gets flooded with stock.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
But enough of that, have you seen the full 360 views of the new Chosen? I won't be using those helmetless heads, but besides that, those are some real Veterans of the Long War.

I wonder how long until they're available separately on eBay......

Yea I always do helmets.

I picked up two on eBay. $185 was low enough for me to jump on them. Looks like I'm finally starting Eldar, too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I just bought a £20 forgefiend on sprues, this box is doing me some favours.

That's a great thing about battle boxes: Market gets flooded with stock.

Only starter sets. Gw limiting the number of boxes drives individual unit prices up. Like Octarius kill team units went for $80

 GaroRobe wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I just bought a £20 forgefiend on sprues, this box is doing me some favours.

That's a great thing about battle boxes: Market gets flooded with stock.

Only starter sets. Gw limiting the number of boxes drives individual unit prices up. Like Octarius kill team units went for $80

 GaroRobe wrote:
Only starter sets. Gw limiting the number of boxes drives individual unit prices up. Like Octarius kill team units went for $80

Sorry, I should clarify: I more meant old stuff. When these boxes come out - limited or not - the older kits in them flood out everywhere.

The best example is that Deathwatch/Eldar box from a while ago. The new stuff in there was the Deathwatch Vets, their HQ, and the plastic Eldrad. Everything else (Ven Dread, Vanguard Vets, Harlis, Harli Bikes, Harli Skimmer, Death Jester) was old stock - stuff that'd been out for ages - so bits sites were flooded with that gak. I picked up 24 Harlis - 4 boxes - for £20. Twenty pounds!!! A few weeks ago I got 9 Allarus Terminators for £60. Each box costs £30 normally.

I love that. Sadly, the forgefiends currently going for $60, the new units are $50, and characters are ~$40 on eBay. And individual chosen marines are $20. Fingers crossed at least some of those prices drop once the box is public.

Aren’t these the prices we are expecting when the boxes get released individually lol?

 GaroRobe wrote:
I love that. Sadly, the forgefiends currently going for $60, the new units are $50, and characters are ~$40 on eBay. And individual chosen marines are $20. Fingers crossed at least some of those prices drop once the box is public.

Yea, eBayers gonna eBay. They do have to charge a bit more than the box costs to make up for not selling some of the models. That's why it's always better to split with a friend if you can.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
You don’t get Legion Traits in a mixed detachment.

You’d have to take Harken in an Aux, then-and you’d lose the super doctrine type ability, probably.

Right - he'd have to get the rule to be addable as an exception, which is unlikely for someone of his stature. There's still spawn, which I know Gad won't like. Not sure what else might have LD malus.

Yeah, no spawn in my Night Lords. No Black Legion defector either, my guys don't fight "under the banner of Abaddon" (ugh). The only help they'll get is Raptors. Which goes to show what's wrong with the trait: you shouldn't have to take specific units just to make it work. But I'm not worried. These are just leaks, and they're supposed to be coming from playtest rules. So, it's quite possible that they'll change. If not, I'll just use some of the custom traits that suit me better.

But enough of that, have you seen the full 360 views of the new Chosen? I won't be using those helmetless heads, but besides that, those are some real Veterans of the Long War.

I wonder how long until they're available separately on eBay......

That's assuming that the rules for Haarken remain the same. They could change dramatically for all we know.

And yeah, seeing all the detail on the backpacks, with chainswords and bolters held by tentacles, is a really nice touch. The models are gorgeous, I just wish there was more in the box.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I love that. Sadly, the forgefiends currently going for $60, the new units are $50, and characters are ~$40 on eBay. And individual chosen marines are $20. Fingers crossed at least some of those prices drop once the box is public.

Thank God i live in Poland, where my favourite reseller has the Chosen up for 35$ and the Forgefiend for 45$.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Woah woah, hold up. There's actual proper Icons in this kit? Not just generic star and eye of Horus?

Yea you can see them here:

Spoiler:

They do seem fairly small, however.

The second sprue has a little chaos star circle on a pole, which I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the god specific icons will fit into that. Then you can use that on the champion's backpack instead of the current skull trophy rack.