Chaos Space Marine codex rumours and news.

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**2x210**

No One Important wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Dawnbringer wrote:
Let be honest. It's been rumoured for years first born were going the way of the Dodo. Unsurprisingly it's been neither as quick as some predicted, but as inevitable as some feared. I suspect they are doing as stock starts to run low / the maths don't support another production run
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What do "Firstborn" have to do with Chaos Space Marines? Changes to the Loyalist product line shouldn't affect CSM.

All Chaos Marines are firstborn and GW seems pretty insistent on killing all interest in the army so maybe that's the connection?

Wasnt Bile fething around with Primaris? I'm surprised this codex didnt start the soft rollout of "Enhanced" Chaos based off his research.

**EviscerationPlague**

Dudeface wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Haven't some of the Rumor Engine pics hinted at a new Huron model? Or maybe the New Year's preview?

Sort of, it was a hand with a flamer looking nozzle in the middle but it was the wrong arm unless they flipped it for max trolling.

Spoiler:

That could still be the right arm and it's just at a weird angle. I can't imagine this is anything BUT Huron.

**Gert**

Interesting to note that there's no range rotation article up so it looks like these are going for good. Also, the Night Lord champion model isn't included and some of the Marine stuff that's getting axed doesn't have a counterpart model.
Just a weird lump of stuff.

**MajorWesJanson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not just them though. It's the plastic ones going away that are a bigger worry.

I mean, some of this does not bode well:

Heroes of the Chapter - Sure, completely redundant now that there's a Primaris Ancient on sale separately. Not one, not two, not three, but four Space Marine Captains, including two plastic ones and, more significantly, the one with all the weapon options. Say good bye to any customisation in Marines 2.0 I guess. Add to that the Techmarine, and his attendant Servitors. The Chaplain with a Jump Pack, so say good bye to that option I suppose. And finally the plastic Terminator Librarian. That leaves only the Blood Angel Termy Libby on sale, and that's out of stock. They're gutting the First Born range.

This change all but confirms that Chaos are losing the Jump Pack option for Lords, meaning that the only power armour Chaos Lord load-out will be Hammer McMonopose here (unless Chaos Lords also get "Accursed Weapons", allowing the Chosen box to rep any of them). I imagine this means that the Chaos Terminator Lord will only have access to Combi-Bolters, Combi-Meltas, Power Fists, Chainfists, Power Axes or Lightning Claws (or 1 Accursed Weapon or 2 Accursed Weapons).

I can understand them dropping some of the finecast kits. Sad to see the classic Commander model go, but besides the Cape and eagle backpack, everything else in that kit the sternguard box does better, and the commander is a holdover from before they revamped how firstborn torsos connected together. Losing the captain with combigrav is bad, but did anyone actually run him?
Techmarine and servitors still exist as the bundled version, but do seem to lose the plasma and melta arms. GW just needs to make a plastic kit of basic servitors to share between techmarine, techpriests, and mechanicus.
Jump Pack Chaplain still has a Blood Angels version
Terminator Librarian looks go be going away as a single model, but is included in the Grey Knights new combat patrol box, so not really gone.

**ceorron**

I don't know if this has been pointed out by anyone but a ton of marines have gone on last chance to buy on the GW site. Also the following models are on last chance to buy.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Space-Marines-Huron-Blackheart
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Space-Marines-Lord-with-Jump-Pack
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Space-Marine-Iron-Warriors-Warsmith

Really looking like this is Huron!!!
Also possibly new chaos lord with jump pack!!!

**Gadzilla666**

Loyalists will be fine. Anything they lose will just be replaced by some Primaris equivalent. CSM are rarely that lucky. The removal of the Jump Lord lends credence to the rumour that Chaos Lords and Sorcerers won't be able to take jump packs in the 9th edition codex, because if gw doesn't make the model, then they don't make the rules. And they're removing the model, because of "Reasons".

**Not Online!!!**

I am 2/3rds sure that we will get fewer options instead of a new replacement model.

**Siegfriedfr**

The lack of a multipart Chaos Lord cannot go on forever. Obsidius is/was just a temporary bandaid.

I mean, for Space Marines you have like 5 different captains, 15 different lieutenants, versus 1 Chaos Lord.

At this stage, Chaos is being treated like a Xenos faction.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

They just expect every Chaos Lord to either be a Terminator, on in PA with just a Hammer and Plasma Pistol. Those are all the options you ever need right? Right?

Theres reasons my CSM all ended up in a nice new home with a friend of mine.

**Lord Damocles**

...if we just wAiT anD sEe for a little longer...

**Laughing Man**

Pretty sure most of these are just them getting repacks, guys. This happens with every codex.

**Aeneades**

Laughing Man wrote:
Pretty sure most of these are just them getting repacks, guys. This happens with every codex.

They don't announce they are leaving and on last chance to buy when they just repack for a new codex.

**BrotherGecko**

Laughing Man wrote:
Pretty sure most of these are just them getting repacks, guys. This happens with every codex.

Shhhh, this is how they enjoy their hobby.

**Dudeface**

Lord Damocles wrote:
...if we just wAiT anD sEe for a little longer...

Please stop with this, it's not funny and given next to nothing is verified, yes. We must wait and see. Or ignore it and carry on with our 8th ed stuff and pretend there isn't an impending release.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Dudeface wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
...if we just wAiT anD sEe for a little longer...

Please stop with this, it's not funny and given next to nothing is verified, yes. We must wait and see. Or ignore it and carry on with our 8th ed stuff and pretend there isn't an impending release.

Well, what is given is the fact they're on Last Chance to Buy, and when something is just getting repacked they just go straight to No Longer Avalible Online.

So, we kinda have all we need to know, y'know?

**Dudeface**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
...if we just wAiT anD sEe for a little longer...

Please stop with this, it's not funny and given next to nothing is verified, yes. We must wait and see. Or ignore it and carry on with our 8th ed stuff and pretend there isn't an impending release.

Well, what is given is the fact they're on Last Chance to Buy, and when something is just getting repacked they just go straight to No Longer Avalible Online.

So, we kinda have all we need to know, y'know?

Not really, we don't have any facts about jump packs being removed or huron getting a resculpt. We have to wait and see if they do.

**Marshal Loss**

Well, if Huron is gone permanently, that leaves Lucius as the last finecast CSM SC.

Siegfriedfr wrote:
The lack of a multipart Chaos Lord cannot go on forever. Obsidius is/was just a temporary bandaid.

I mean, for Space Marines you have like 5 different captains, 15 different lieutenants, versus 1 Chaos Lord.

At this stage, Chaos is being treated like a Xenos faction.

Worse than some Xenos factions - even Eldar have a multipart plastic Autarch kit now.

A multipart lord kit is top of my wishlist for CSM. It's an egregious omission from the range at this point & I really hate that black legion hammerlord model.

**Crimson**

What we don't know is whether the codex is accompanied by some new releases right? I mean it is perfectly possible that they're retiring some of the old kits because replacements are coming. Wasn't there some rumour image that looked like some sort of a massive chaosy power claw? Could be some sort of a character.

**Gadzilla666**

The aggravating thing is, they had a character model that they could have made a generic jump lord, but instead they made it a named character locked to a single Legion.

**Dudeface**

Crimson wrote:
What we don't know is whether the codex is accompanied by some new releases right? I mean it is perfectly possible that they're retiring some of the old kits because replacements are coming. Wasn't there some rumour image that looked like some sort of a massive chaosy power claw? Could be some sort of a character.

The old leaked road map never mentioned any characters beyond the renegade humans and warpsmith iirc.

**Voss**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
The aggravating thing is, they had a character model that they could have made a generic jump lord, but instead they made it a named character locked to a single Legion.

But without the glorious, uh... Hacky Worldspearer, how would we remember the glory of the Vigilish campaign? Books 1 or 2?
Marneus Cowgirl (blessings on his irrelevance now that his boss is back) didn't not die to... somebody else... for you not to remember that other guy introduced just for this random world where nothing important happened!

**Gadzilla666**

Voss wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
The aggravating thing is, they had a character model that they could have made a generic jump lord, but instead they made it a named character locked to a single Legion.

But without the glorious, uh... Hacky Worldspearer, how would we remember the glory of the Vigilish campaign? Books 1 or 2?
Marneus Cowgirl (blessings on his irrelevance now that his boss is back) didn't not die to... somebody else... for you not to remember that other guy introduced just for this random world where nothing important happened!

Nope, we definitely wouldn't want to have missed out on that.

But, at least the model is multi-part "enough" to kitbash together a jump lord with something besides 1 claw + 1 spear, and from a different Legion without breaking out the old hobby knife. Mr. Thunderhammer, however? Judging from the pics of his sprue, not so much. Looks like you'd need the knife just to get the Eye of Horus shoulder pad off.

**EviscerationPlague**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
The aggravating thing is, they had a character model that they could have made a generic jump lord, but instead they made it a named character locked to a single Legion.

And he wasn't even good. No D2 Claw, no Spear in melee.......just all around blech.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
But, at least the model is multi-part "enough" to kitbash together a jump lord with something besides 1 claw + 1 spear, and from a different Legion without breaking out the old hobby knife.

But why would you want to assemble Haarken with an illegal loadout? As a display piece or something? And I'm pretty sure Haarken is from the Black Legion not a different Legion.

**Marshal Loss**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
But, at least the model is multi-part "enough" to kitbash together a jump lord with something besides 1 claw + 1 spear, and from a different Legion without breaking out the old hobby knife.

But why would you want to assemble Haarken with an illegal loadout? As a display piece or something? And I'm pretty sure Haarken is from the Black Legion not a different Legion.

I think his point is that Haarken comes with easily removable arms and shoulder pads, the latter of which feature Black Legion iconography. You can purchase Haarken and turn him into a regular jump lord without needing to cut or convert anything. The hammerlord (Mallex) by contrast has no build options and moulded-on Black Legion iconography.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Marshal Loss wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
But, at least the model is multi-part "enough" to kitbash together a jump lord with something besides 1 claw + 1 spear, and from a different Legion without breaking out the old hobby knife.

But why would you want to assemble Haarken with an illegal loadout? As a display piece or something? And I'm pretty sure Haarken is from the Black Legion not a different Legion.

I think his point is that Haarken comes with easily removable arms and shoulder pads, the latter of which feature Black Legion iconography. You can purchase Haarken and turn him into a regular jump lord without needing to cut or convert anything. The hammerlord (Mallex) by contrast has no build options and moulded-on Black Legion iconography.

But why would you want build options when Chaos Lords are all armed with thunder hammers and plasma pistols?

**NinthMusketeer**

And GOD FORBID they release rules for options which we do not have assembly instructions for.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
And GOD FORBID they release rules for options which we do not have assembly instructions for.

How do you assemble models without instructions???

**Marshal Loss**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
But, at least the model is multi-part "enough" to kitbash together a jump lord with something besides 1 claw + 1 spear, and from a different Legion without breaking out the old hobby knife.

But why would you want to assemble Haarken with an illegal loadout? As a display piece or something? And I'm pretty sure Haarken is from the Black Legion not a different Legion.

I think his point is that Haarken comes with easily removable arms and shoulder pads, the latter of which feature Black Legion iconography. You can purchase Haarken and turn him into a regular jump lord without needing to cut or convert anything. The hammerlord (Mallex) by contrast has no build options and moulded-on Black Legion iconography.

But why would you want build options when Chaos Lords are all armed with thunder hammers and plasma pistols?

**Gadzilla666**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
But, at least the model is multi-part "enough" to kitbash together a jump lord with something besides 1 claw + 1 spear, and from a different Legion without breaking out the old hobby knife.

But why would you want to assemble Haarken with an illegal loadout? As a display piece or something? And I'm pretty sure Haarken is from the Black Legion not a different Legion.

I just can't help it, Doobie. I think it was all of those subliminal messages in those Judas Priest albums. I just can't stop.....breakin' the law, breakin' the law, breakin' the lawwwww!