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chaos0xomega wrote:
IIRC we had a rumored leak of Combat Patrol contents - its even summarized in the first post in the thread:

The combat patrol is Legionaries/Havocs/Helbrute/Dank apostle

So no SC sprues, which is odd, but whatever.

Let's look at it from the other angle, will there be a "daemonkin" set with the old sprues in maybe to not make the units oop?

So, are there rumours about the release date of the codex?

Garrac wrote:
So, are there rumours about the release date of the codex?

Somewhere between Soon(tm) and Not Too Far Off.

I suspect Skaven-Chaos-Sylvaneth-Heresy, but could be talked into about any order

Though, on second thought. Skaven and Sylvaneth are 'officially' road mapped as summer releases, so probably not. Nighthaunt and Daughters and LotR spacing out Chaos and Heresy.
THough I can see Heresy as the first big summer release (maybe getting pipped at the post by skaven because they're inconsequential)

I would have previously pegged Sylvaneth & Skaven as a double release but with Sylvaneth getting all those new kits I am thinking they will be first with Skaven later. Heresy... have they confirmed it will be this year, even? I suspect it would be fall at the earliest.

But Sylvaneth will still be after the Nighthaunt & DoK books, which look to be after Knights. So I'd say CSM are going to hit pre order this month.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would have previously pegged Sylvaneth & Skaven as a double release but with Sylvaneth getting all those new kits I am thinking they will be first with Skaven later. Heresy... have they confirmed it will be this year, even? I suspect it would be fall at the earliest.

But Sylvaneth will still be after the Nighthaunt & DoK books, which look to be after Knights. So I'd say CSM are going to hit pre order this month.

They wouldn’t have shown us the Heresy stuff if it wasn’t this year and wasn’t relatively soon. They’re doing games with the new rules on Saturday at the event (I think, might be conflating 2 events there). It’ll most likely be June/July in the big new edition slot that a 40k or AoS edition would take up.

Really pleased with all the reveals. Going to be hard to choose how to spend my $ over the coming weeks/months

I cannot place these guys, could you help out please?

Chosen?

Ooh they are from the same Box set that also has the Warpsmith? Got it.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would have previously pegged Sylvaneth & Skaven as a double release but with Sylvaneth getting all those new kits I am thinking they will be first with Skaven later. Heresy... have they confirmed it will be this year, even? I suspect it would be fall at the earliest.

But Sylvaneth will still be after the Nighthaunt & DoK books, which look to be after Knights. So I'd say CSM are going to hit pre order this month.

Pretty sure HH will be this year. They've delved too far into model reveals (bar the old terminators, basically)
That said, I couldn't remember the date of the HH tournament at Warhammer World, so did some digging. Its July 23 & 24th, and its the previous edition.
I doubt very much they'll do a previous edition tournament after launch (especially right after launch) so pencil HH in for August.

CSM Codex... yeah, preorder this month. Probably after at least one AoS book and the LotR things.
With the caveat that we'll get a week or two of 'hype' articles, so preorder on the 28th and release in June wouldn't be shocking.

 Rihgu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
IDK why people are saying Abbadon isn't leader material... Before being supersized, and arguably mostly still the case, he's defined as a terminator who does the impossible and unites (if temporarily) the legions again and again, is the successor to the guy who united the legions the first time, his signature weapon is the other guy's weapon--again a symbol of leadership--and even the gods are OK with sharing him. I don't really care for BL but it seems pretty obvious that he fits that role.

I'd say Drach'nyen is more Abaddon's signature weapon than the Talon of Horus. Which is symbolic of itself - screw Horus. He failed.

But at least Horus had the good sense to only fail once. Abaddon's been spending 10,000 years failing.

Good points about HH release date, I suppose I'm just used to thinking of HH stuff as excessively drawn out for some reason.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
IDK why people are saying Abbadon isn't leader material... Before being supersized, and arguably mostly still the case, he's defined as a terminator who does the impossible and unites (if temporarily) the legions again and again, is the successor to the guy who united the legions the first time, his signature weapon is the other guy's weapon--again a symbol of leadership--and even the gods are OK with sharing him. I don't really care for BL but it seems pretty obvious that he fits that role.

I'd say Drach'nyen is more Abaddon's signature weapon than the Talon of Horus. Which is symbolic of itself - screw Horus. He failed.

But at least Horus had the good sense to only fail once. Abaddon's been spending 10,000 years failing.

10,000 Years of failing only got him from First Captain of a broken legion to Master of the Black Legion, Warmaster of Chaos, and created the Great Rift. What a loser

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
IDK why people are saying Abbadon isn't leader material... Before being supersized, and arguably mostly still the case, he's defined as a terminator who does the impossible and unites (if temporarily) the legions again and again, is the successor to the guy who united the legions the first time, his signature weapon is the other guy's weapon--again a symbol of leadership--and even the gods are OK with sharing him. I don't really care for BL but it seems pretty obvious that he fits that role.

I'd say Drach'nyen is more Abaddon's signature weapon than the Talon of Horus. Which is symbolic of itself - screw Horus. He failed.

But at least Horus had the good sense to only fail once. Abaddon's been spending 10,000 years failing.

Tell me everything you know about the lore is from memes, without telling me everything you know is from memes.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
IDK why people are saying Abbadon isn't leader material... Before being supersized, and arguably mostly still the case, he's defined as a terminator who does the impossible and unites (if temporarily) the legions again and again, is the successor to the guy who united the legions the first time, his signature weapon is the other guy's weapon--again a symbol of leadership--and even the gods are OK with sharing him. I don't really care for BL but it seems pretty obvious that he fits that role.

I'd say Drach'nyen is more Abaddon's signature weapon than the Talon of Horus. Which is symbolic of itself - screw Horus. He failed.

But at least Horus had the good sense to only fail once. Abaddon's been spending 10,000 years failing.

Tell me everything you know about the lore is from memes, without telling me everything you know is from memes.

What else is there?

You're right. Memes are life.

 alextroy wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
IDK why people are saying Abbadon isn't leader material... Before being supersized, and arguably mostly still the case, he's defined as a terminator who does the impossible and unites (if temporarily) the legions again and again, is the successor to the guy who united the legions the first time, his signature weapon is the other guy's weapon--again a symbol of leadership--and even the gods are OK with sharing him. I don't really care for BL but it seems pretty obvious that he fits that role.

I'd say Drach'nyen is more Abaddon's signature weapon than the Talon of Horus. Which is symbolic of itself - screw Horus. He failed.

But at least Horus had the good sense to only fail once. Abaddon's been spending 10,000 years failing.

10,000 Years of failing only got him from First Captain of a broken legion to Master of the Black Legion, Warmaster of Chaos, and created the Great Rift. What a loser

Not only is the Imperium still standing (if divided), but he couldn't even kill Calgar properly. He was more concerned about his ship than securing victory.

Lol yeah he totally should have killed Calgar instead of making sure the most powerful vessel in his fleet, one of the rarest classes in existence, wasn't blown up. Totally a should ditch the Vengeful Spirit for like a Cobra Destroyer or something.

Most of the Marines, with the Greater Possessed, were on one sprue, the Master of Possession on another, and the Oblits and Venomcrawler on a third.

All they'd need to do is put out a daemon reinforcements box with the sprue for the Oblits and Venomcrawler. It's odd, but honestly... well, that's all we can hope for until they redo those kits to have... options.

 Gert wrote:
Lol yeah he totally should have killed Calgar instead of making sure the most powerful vessel in his fleet, one of the rarest classes in existence, wasn't blown up. Totally a should ditch the Vengeful Spirit for like a Cobra Destroyer or something.

It’s the only way to keep his reputation from being ruled by memes

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Not only is the Imperium still standing (if divided), but he couldn't even kill Calgar properly. He was more concerned about his ship than securing victory.

That only shows how Calgar is just another foe for Abbadon. After all, Calgar will eventually die out of sheer age; his defeat is an inevitability. So what if it happens now or centuries from now, such timeframes are a pittance to the Warmaster.

Honestly I only wanted Abaddon to get the rule like shadowsun so we could see how people run him as other famous characters. Like I was gonna use him as Decimus for instance, a Word Bearer player might make him Erebus or Kor Phaeron, etc. As well as stuff like kitbashes/conversions to make him look like he's from various legions.

 cole1114 wrote:
Honestly I only wanted Abaddon to get the rule like shadowsun so we could see how people run him as other famous characters. Like I was gonna use him as Decimus for instance, a Word Bearer player might make him Erebus or Kor Phaeron, etc. As well as stuff like kitbashes/conversions to make him look like he's from various legions.

It's really a shame that the "just use this named character datasheet as whatever fits your army" rule from 5th has gone away.

 Jidmah wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
Honestly I only wanted Abaddon to get the rule like shadowsun so we could see how people run him as other famous characters. Like I was gonna use him as Decimus for instance, a Word Bearer player might make him Erebus or Kor Phaeron, etc. As well as stuff like kitbashes/conversions to make him look like he's from various legions.

It's really a shame that the "just use this named character datasheet as whatever fits your army" rule from 5th has gone away.

I mean, it hasn't exactly gone away. GW just doesn't encourage modeling creativity as much.

With that said, as much hate as Ward gets by people that get all their info from 1d4chan, the 5th edition Space Marine codex getting all that flexibility with mishmashing named characters was pretty great. I ran Pedro Kantor with two squads of Sternguard and Tyberos with some Assault Terminators. Did it make sense? Absolutely not. Was it fun? Absolutely.

Well seeing named characters tend to have keyword locked for certain sub faction which prevents units from getting free rules...it kind has of gone away.

It wasn't a rule that you could take named characters with anything, there just wasn't a rule saying you couldn't.
It was removed because people could do things like Super Friends or run Azrael in a Guard army giving a huge blob of guardsmen a 4+ Invuln.

 Gert wrote:
It wasn't a rule that you could take named characters with anything, there just wasn't a rule saying you couldn't.
It was removed because people could do things like Super Friends or run Azrael in a Guard army giving a huge blob of guardsmen a 4+ Invuln.

They more mean using the Calgar rules for chapter master of their salamanders successors or something, not so much souping just using counts-as for "their guy" but there were a lot less subfaction gates back then.

I'm aware that's what people did because I did it as well. I was just pointing out it wasn't a rule that allowed you to do it rather the lack of one.

ERJAK wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
IDK why people are saying Abbadon isn't leader material... Before being supersized, and arguably mostly still the case, he's defined as a terminator who does the impossible and unites (if temporarily) the legions again and again, is the successor to the guy who united the legions the first time, his signature weapon is the other guy's weapon--again a symbol of leadership--and even the gods are OK with sharing him. I don't really care for BL but it seems pretty obvious that he fits that role.

I'd say Drach'nyen is more Abaddon's signature weapon than the Talon of Horus. Which is symbolic of itself - screw Horus. He failed.

But at least Horus had the good sense to only fail once. Abaddon's been spending 10,000 years failing.

Tell me everything you know about the lore is from memes, without telling me everything you know is from memes.

What else is there?

The fact he has no arms?

The_Real_Chris wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
IDK why people are saying Abbadon isn't leader material... Before being supersized, and arguably mostly still the case, he's defined as a terminator who does the impossible and unites (if temporarily) the legions again and again, is the successor to the guy who united the legions the first time, his signature weapon is the other guy's weapon--again a symbol of leadership--and even the gods are OK with sharing him. I don't really care for BL but it seems pretty obvious that he fits that role.

I'd say Drach'nyen is more Abaddon's signature weapon than the Talon of Horus. Which is symbolic of itself - screw Horus. He failed.

But at least Horus had the good sense to only fail once. Abaddon's been spending 10,000 years failing.

Tell me everything you know about the lore is from memes, without telling me everything you know is from memes.

What else is there?

The fact he has no arms?

40k fans desire to be as unfunny as possible and repost the least amusing joke time and time again has to be some kind of serious pathology.