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Garrac wrote:
Ironically I don't see the knights as a major release. So, I personally thinl that next week we'll have the preorders, or at least by the end of the year

It's a full codex release with new models. Not as many models as Eldar, but more than Tyranids. And it is a paired book release, though knights and chaos knights are quite similar.

We still got 3 weeks of May, and the 30k stuff could be nearer to the end of June. Give a week for Daughters of Khaine and Nighthaunt to finally get their books, a week for the Ash Wastes book to come out alongside those new Squats, and then the Skaven vs Sylvaneth box set to drop, and we could see a release at the first week of June for Chaos Marines.

Why all those things in front of CSM? Because that's just GW's trend. Gotta stuff a bunch of the side games in before 40k can get a step closer to finally having all the codexes updated to 9th ed.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Garrac wrote:
Ironically I don't see the knights as a major release. So, I personally thinl that next week we'll have the preorders, or at least by the end of the year

It's a full codex release with new models. Not as many models as Eldar, but more than Tyranids. And it is a paired book release, though knights and chaos knights are quite similar.

It's not a paired book release, it's a limited edition "get it early" army box, the chaos knights models and codex aren't released yet independently. So this is a hyped up one off limited numbers box and a single codex.

I am a bit curious to see if HH or CSM are released first.

If the stream did say June instead of July for HH, then I suspect it's coming before CSM at this point, though I would love to be wrong. I had expected the boxset to be in July like the other major edition stuff was and June would be CSM time.

Could be at the very end of June though.

June is new edition launch month. Its just before summer holidays start in the UK so all the young uns have time to buy in a play.

And GW is going to drag out the HH release hype. The core box will be June, and probably a few weeks alternating with new tanks or infantry squads, with the weapons upgrades released on weeks that focus on AoS releases or Specialist games. And when SM 9.5 comes out, I'd expect the Contempter, Sicaran, and Kratos to all appear in it, possibly making room by merging all the gravis captain entries and rules into a single datasheet.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
And GW is going to drag out the HH release hype. The core box will be June, and probably a few weeks alternating with new tanks or infantry squads, with the weapons upgrades released on weeks that focus on AoS releases or Specialist games. And when SM 9.5 comes out, I'd expect the Contempter, Sicaran, and Kratos to all appear in it, possibly making room by merging all the gravis captain entries and rules into a single datasheet.

Look at the bright side.. it's likely to not be over a decade unlike BL and FW. Baby steps!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
And GW is going to drag out the HH release hype. The core box will be June, and probably a few weeks alternating with new tanks or infantry squads, with the weapons upgrades released on weeks that focus on AoS releases or Specialist games. And when SM 9.5 comes out, I'd expect the Contempter, Sicaran, and Kratos to all appear in it, possibly making room by merging all the gravis captain entries and rules into a single datasheet.

I fully expect that last sentence to be true. It would be just like gw to stick all of the newly plastic HH units in the codex full of "New" Marines, and "New" marine vehicles that float instead of use treads, while leaving them out of the codex for the Marines that they're currently referring to as "Legionaries" and "Veterans". Simply because they don't. Have. Spikes.

 Gert wrote:
June is new edition launch month. Its just before summer holidays start in the UK so all the young uns have time to buy in a play.

Didn't both 9th and AoS 3rd Launch in July though?

 Sasori wrote:

 Gert wrote:
June is new edition launch month. Its just before summer holidays start in the UK so all the young uns have time to buy in a play.

Didn't both 9th and AoS 3rd Launch in July though?

Indomitus was July 25th after a wee Google. I imagine it'll be a 2 week pre-order the last weekend in June for HH.

I dunno HH and being excessively drawn out just don't seem to go together

6th and 8th were both June releases. 7th doesn't count because it was essentially 6.5 and 9th was delayed because of Covid. AoS 2 and 3 were both June releases.
Releasing new editions in June gives maximum coverage for the various UK school holiday dates. Scotland starts at the end of June, England/Wales at the end of July. Don't know about the USA.

Um, I see. Then I hope the codex comes at least at the beginning of july. I cant wait

Now im really doubting between the DP and Abaddon. Don't really know if the rumoured changes to DP rules make him better or not. I hope he gets to be released with the CSM's launch

Also, dont really understand the leaked strat, what does it mean?

And, do BL still have the Council of Traitors? Im trying to figure out the army before it comes

Garrac wrote:
Um, I see. Then I hope the codex comes at least at the beginning of july. I cant wait

Now im really doubting between the DP and Abaddon. Don't really know if the rumoured changes to DP rules make him better or not. I hope he gets to be released with the CSM's launch

Also, dont really understand the leaked strat, what does it mean?

And, do BL still have the Council of Traitors? Im trying to figure out the army before it comes

Which stratagem are you referring to? And I definitely wouldn't expect the codex until after June 1st, for both the reasons Gert outlined above, as well as putting the release (and any profits from it) within the 3rd fiscal quarter.

Garrac wrote:
Um, I see. Then I hope the codex comes at least at the beginning of july. I cant wait

Now im really doubting between the DP and Abaddon. Don't really know if the rumoured changes to DP rules make him better or not. I hope he gets to be released with the CSM's launch

Also, dont really understand the leaked strat, what does it mean?

And, do BL still have the Council of Traitors? Im trying to figure out the army before it comes

Even with all of the information that's been given to us, we don't have all of the factors and little tidbits that could be hiding in the codex.

Hoping ClockworkChris comes through for us. I personally would just love confirmation of whether or not we're going to see Chaos Bikers with this release or not... Tomorrow is pretty much my last hope, since they show new models on Mondays, and if it's not a Chaos Biker, then that'll be a bit sad. It's pretty much the last kit of its age in the Chaos Marine line, setting aside khorne berzerkers and noise marines that we know will be updated with their respective codexes...

drbored wrote:

Garrac wrote:
Um, I see. Then I hope the codex comes at least at the beginning of july. I cant wait

Now im really doubting between the DP and Abaddon. Don't really know if the rumoured changes to DP rules make him better or not. I hope he gets to be released with the CSM's launch

Also, dont really understand the leaked strat, what does it mean?

And, do BL still have the Council of Traitors? Im trying to figure out the army before it comes

Even with all of the information that's been given to us, we don't have all of the factors and little tidbits that could be hiding in the codex.

Hoping ClockworkChris comes through for us. I personally would just love confirmation of whether or not we're going to see Chaos Bikers with this release or not... Tomorrow is pretty much my last hope, since they show new models on Mondays, and if it's not a Chaos Biker, then that'll be a bit sad. It's pretty much the last kit of its age in the Chaos Marine line, setting aside khorne berzerkers and noise marines that we know will be updated with their respective codexes...

If the book isn't until July you have at least 8 Mondays yet.

Was looking for some coverage of the HH Open and found this video of the display cases. Apparently Night Lords were stuck in Customs so they were absent.

Ah UK customs. Perfection in literally not a single way.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Was looking for some coverage of the HH Open and found this video of the display cases. Apparently Night Lords were stuck in Customs so they were absent.

Busy terrorizing Thramas, of course.

Thanks for this, all these examples are FANTASTIC.

And I gotta give credit where credit is due: This is how you hype a release. They reached out to a bunch of community members, gave them samples of the product, had them paint up the product in a variety of color schemes to show how all the legions would look in different colors and painting styles, brought all those community members to a big event to show off and then some.

Then, those creators go and tell their fans about the blast they had, show off the pictures, spread the word. Even if someone doesn't follow GW, doesn't go to a Warhammer store and never goes to any forums or WarCom, they now have likely heard about the new Horus Heresy and all the new plastic kits that are coming. That's huge. I'm sure it was a heck of a lot of work to do, but THIS is how you hype a product release, engage the community, and get people excited.

Let's hope we see more of this community outreach in the future.

drbored wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Was looking for some coverage of the HH Open and found this video of the display cases. Apparently Night Lords were stuck in Customs so they were absent.

Spoiler:

Busy terrorizing Thramas, of course.

Thanks for this, all these examples are FANTASTIC.

And I gotta give credit where credit is due: This is how you hype a release. They reached out to a bunch of community members, gave them samples of the product, had them paint up the product in a variety of color schemes to show how all the legions would look in different colors and painting styles, brought all those community members to a big event to show off and then some.

Then, those creators go and tell their fans about the blast they had, show off the pictures, spread the word. Even if someone doesn't follow GW, doesn't go to a Warhammer store and never goes to any forums or WarCom, they now have likely heard about the new Horus Heresy and all the new plastic kits that are coming. That's huge. I'm sure it was a heck of a lot of work to do, but THIS is how you hype a product release, engage the community, and get people excited.

Let's hope we see more of this community outreach in the future.

True then if we balance it off against the asshat walking about posting leaks up from inside GW after they invited them in to partake in the hype, it's a net wash maybe?

Dudeface wrote:

drbored wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Was looking for some coverage of the HH Open and found this video of the display cases. Apparently Night Lords were stuck in Customs so they were absent.

Spoiler:

Busy terrorizing Thramas, of course.

Thanks for this, all these examples are FANTASTIC.

And I gotta give credit where credit is due: This is how you hype a release. They reached out to a bunch of community members, gave them samples of the product, had them paint up the product in a variety of color schemes to show how all the legions would look in different colors and painting styles, brought all those community members to a big event to show off and then some.

Then, those creators go and tell their fans about the blast they had, show off the pictures, spread the word. Even if someone doesn't follow GW, doesn't go to a Warhammer store and never goes to any forums or WarCom, they now have likely heard about the new Horus Heresy and all the new plastic kits that are coming. That's huge. I'm sure it was a heck of a lot of work to do, but THIS is how you hype a product release, engage the community, and get people excited.

Let's hope we see more of this community outreach in the future.

True then if we balance it off against the asshat walking about posting leaks up from inside GW after they invited them in to partake in the hype, it's a net wash maybe?

Overall a relatively small fraction of people would have seen those leaks ahead of the event. There are many warhammer hobbyists that don't review forums or discords for leaks, that were still mighty surprised by the announcement that literally came under 24 hours later. I'd still say GW gets the win for the event.

But anyway, that's 30k stuff, this is Chaos Marine rumors.

That said, I do wonder if we're going to get a chaos vehicle upgrade sprue for the new Deimos pattern vehicles...

Whoops, wrong thread.

Something tells me the HH vehicles are unlikely to appear in the CSM book, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that.

 Dysartes wrote:
Whoops, wrong thread.

Something tells me the HH vehicles are unlikely to appear in the CSM book, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that.

I'd love for you to be wrong as well, but I seriously doubt that you will be. They'll probably be in Loyalist Scum 2.0, though. Same as the plastic Contemptor and "Relic" Terminators.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Whoops, wrong thread.

Something tells me the HH vehicles are unlikely to appear in the CSM book, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that.

I'd love for you to be wrong as well, but I seriously doubt that you will be. They'll probably be in Loyalist Scum 2.0, though. Same as the plastic Contemptor and "Relic" Terminators.

A lot of the relic type of stuff will likely be in a new Compendium down the line, which is fine.

But basic stuff, like taking a Rhino or a Predator, well those things are already in the codexes. It's just a matter of giving us a vehicle upgrade sprue to bring them into the realm of 40k, or to make your 30k vehicles look a little more heresy-y.

That said, even an upgrade sprue might be a long way from matching the deimos rhino up with the current aesthetic of 40k chaos marines.

drbored wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Whoops, wrong thread.

Something tells me the HH vehicles are unlikely to appear in the CSM book, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that.

I'd love for you to be wrong as well, but I seriously doubt that you will be. They'll probably be in Loyalist Scum 2.0, though. Same as the plastic Contemptor and "Relic" Terminators.

A lot of the relic type of stuff will likely be in a new Compendium down the line, which is fine.

But basic stuff, like taking a Rhino or a Predator, well those things are already in the codexes. It's just a matter of giving us a vehicle upgrade sprue to bring them into the realm of 40k, or to make your 30k vehicles look a little more heresy-y.

That said, even an upgrade sprue might be a long way from matching the deimos rhino up with the current aesthetic of 40k chaos marines.

It isn't "fine" if they put them in the loyalist codex, minus Martial Legacy, like they did with the Contemptor, while keeping the actual Veterans of the Long War saddled with that rule. And although the only real difference between a 30k and a 40k Rhino is cosmetic, the 30k Predators get a lot more weapon options than their 40k counterparts. That isn't just a case of "spikes or no spikes".

With the kits moving to plastic it'd be nice to see them add the HH units into the CSM book but I'm not holding my breath.

Dudeface wrote:

drbored wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Was looking for some coverage of the HH Open and found this video of the display cases. Apparently Night Lords were stuck in Customs so they were absent.

Spoiler:

Busy terrorizing Thramas, of course.

Thanks for this, all these examples are FANTASTIC.

And I gotta give credit where credit is due: This is how you hype a release. They reached out to a bunch of community members, gave them samples of the product, had them paint up the product in a variety of color schemes to show how all the legions would look in different colors and painting styles, brought all those community members to a big event to show off and then some.

Then, those creators go and tell their fans about the blast they had, show off the pictures, spread the word. Even if someone doesn't follow GW, doesn't go to a Warhammer store and never goes to any forums or WarCom, they now have likely heard about the new Horus Heresy and all the new plastic kits that are coming. That's huge. I'm sure it was a heck of a lot of work to do, but THIS is how you hype a product release, engage the community, and get people excited.

Let's hope we see more of this community outreach in the future.

True then if we balance it off against the asshat walking about posting leaks up from inside GW after they invited them in to partake in the hype, it's a net wash maybe?

No, that's its own kind of hype. He's the 'real deal' who proves how enthusiastic HH fans are.
What he did isn't a 'hype loss' for GW in any way whatsoever.

If it was a different company involved, I'd suspect it was engineered.

 cuda1179 wrote:
If there is indeed a "traitor" guardsmen entry in the Chaos codex (not just cultists) what are the chances of anything else from the IG making its way in there? Leman Russ perhaps?

Absolutely no chance of a Leman Russ in the codex, potentially some option off a brood brothers detachment style thing? Dunno. Possible but unlikely, I think we would have heard by now.
This is what they think open play is for, three player game - PDF rebellion led by cults rising up after the planetary governor refuses to surrender to the chaos warband on a warship in orbit.
Rebel IG vs loyalist IG on the ground, the loyalists with 50% more points to then be spent on defenses. Third player is then Chaos marines and demons who deep strike in.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
If there is indeed a "traitor" guardsmen entry in the Chaos codex (not just cultists) what are the chances of anything else from the IG making its way in there? Leman Russ perhaps?

Absolutely no chance of a Leman Russ in the codex, potentially some option off a brood brothers detachment style thing? Dunno. Possible but unlikely, I think we would have heard by now.
This is what they think open play is for, three player game - PDF rebellion led by cults rising up after the planetary governor refuses to surrender to the chaos warband on a warship in orbit.
Rebel IG vs loyalist IG on the ground, the loyalists with 50% more points to then be spent on defenses. Third player is then Chaos marines and demons who deep strike in.

Part of this is GW testing the waters to see how well the Traitor Guard sell and how much demand there is for Renegades and Heretics to become their own thing.

Part of it is GW teasing us, holding a carrot on a stick in front of us, so that when they do eventually release a chaos upgrade sprue for astra militarum vehicles, like they did for the genestealer cult, they can make it seem like it's a brand new idea that they just came up with and that it wasn't ravenous fans begging for it for decades.

My thinking is that it's a long-term project. Like, after the Emperor's Children get their own codex. That's gunna be a few more years down the road, and by then they may have expanded a few other things. Then, Chaos Marines undivided will be one thing, then you'll have the Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Death Guard, and Thousand Sons, and THEN finally Renegades and Heretics which will be cultists, traitor guard, spawn, traitor vehicles and such, etc.

I mean look, if they're bringing back Squats, it's just a matter of time until renegades and heretics makes a comeback too.

I don't think GW is testing the waters so much as turning armies into "incubators" for new concepts and armies that can eventually be spun off into standalone factions.