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Doing a "Brood Brothers" style list for R&H wouldn't be a problem. That's basically what the current Legends R&H list is, and the 8th edition Index list was the same. The only "different" R&H units were the infantry, which will be pretty much covered by the stuff previewed over WHF. Everything else was borrowed from either the Guard or CSM codexes, or their fw lists.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I don't think GW is testing the waters so much as turning armies into "incubators" for new concepts and armies that can eventually be spun off into standalone factions.

Yeah, pretty much. We'll see how it all shakes out over the next decade.

I mean, I personally would just use Vindicators, Predators, and Rhinos alongside the Traitor Guard to represent that theme. Or heck, use the models for Chimeras and Leman Russ tanks and just count them as the various space marine tanks. They're similar enough in size and have similar armaments for some of the sponsons and cannons. Tournaments would probably be the only place you wouldn't be able to do that.


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Also I went and double-checked the rumors for Bikers rules against the rules they currently have.

Aside from the extra wound and I think buffed attack stat, they're exactly the same.

Now I gotta shake off this mindset where I was hopeful for something due to a rumor, didn't take enough salt, had confirmation bias when it came to all the other things that were proven true, and hyped myself up only to get disappointed by lack of reveal or release so that I can still enjoy the hobby without becoming a whiny idiot. Then, if we do end up getting bikers with this release, it'll be a pleasant surprise.

These are the mental hoops I jump through as a rumor-seeker in this hobby.

I enjoy reading rumors, like working on a puzzle, but playing Sisters through three editions taught me to not to actually expect anything. Just better that way.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Garrac wrote:
Um, I see. Then I hope the codex comes at least at the beginning of july. I cant wait

Now im really doubting between the DP and Abaddon. Don't really know if the rumoured changes to DP rules make him better or not. I hope he gets to be released with the CSM's launch

Also, dont really understand the leaked strat, what does it mean?

And, do BL still have the Council of Traitors? Im trying to figure out the army before it comes

Which stratagem are you referring to? And I definitely wouldn't expect the codex until after June 1st, for both the reasons Gert outlined above, as well as putting the release (and any profits from it) within the 3rd fiscal quarter.

It's one from the suplements. It says that if you run a Chaos Lord/DP/Abbie and a DA and a Sorcerer, you can give them aditional bonuses or something like that (just came from an 8 years retirement, Im not entirely sure about these new things in the rules)

I ask this becs right now Im preparing forces, and I need to know if I'll have to buy a Sorcerer miniature (or use the MoP as such)

About the bikers: two weeks ago I saw them out of stock at the webpage. But now it's available again, as well as the EC's kits. If someone wants to scratch...

You should get a Sorcerer anyway. Wizards are cool and part of the Black Legion background is that Abaddon has huge numbers of Sorcerers in his forces so he can use them to predict the outcomes of battles, and then rig them in his favour.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
With the kits moving to plastic it'd be nice to see them add the HH units into the CSM book but I'm not holding my breath.

There is absolutely 0 chance of that.

For example, the Sicarian (Kratos now) is "all but extinct in the 41ist millenia". GW clearly do want to separate HH from 40K, with a completely different aesthetic but also a different concept.

The Imperium is now regressive and many things have been lost. Weapons which used to be common (volkite weaponry for example) are now considered to be relics and are only accessible to a select few ultra-elite units. The Traitor Legions have, more or less, been fully corrupted by Chaos and they decided to ditch a lot of old patterns in favor of demon-based weaponry / warp-based weaponry.

Careful. You'll trigger Gadzilla with talk like that.

 Gert wrote:
Careful. You'll trigger Gadzilla with talk like that.

[Insert Jesus meme "They hated him because he told them the truth"]

Selfcontrol wrote:
For example, the Sicarian (Kratos now) is "all but extinct in the 41ist millenia". GW clearly do want to separate HH from 40K, with a completely different aesthetic but also a different concept.

Point of order - the Sicaran and Kratos are still different vehicles.

Selfcontrol wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Careful. You'll trigger Gadzilla with talk like that.

[Insert Jesus meme "They hated him because he told them the truth"]

A very unfortunate truth and a good example of why GW are such terrible game designers.

The most Combat-y of Patrols:

Very surprised but happy to see they actually used the mulit-part models, rather than the gakky snap-fit sculpts.

Guess that means venomcrawlers and obliterators are now oop?

Dudeface wrote:
Guess that means venomcrawlers and obliterators are now oop?

Probably going to be subject to a multi-part release later down the line or something.

And all I can do is wonder what the terrain piece is in the bottom left... I don't think it's from Urban Conquest...

 blood reaper wrote:
Probably going to be subject to a multi-part release later down the line or something.

Or a high-priced "Chaos Daemonkin" release that comes with all three.

I wish it wasn’t a helbrute, not a big fan of the model, but I’m not sure what I’d rather instead in terms of what it would be likely to be. Some of the new Possessed or something maybe.

They have to release the Obliterators, Venomcrawler and Master of Possession separately, surely?

 blood reaper wrote:
Very surprised but happy to see they actually used the mulit-part models, rather than the gakky snap-fit sculpts.

But not the kill team add-on sprue, despite those rules being in the codex.
Nurr.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I wish it wasn’t a helbrute, not a big fan of the model, but I’m not sure what I’d rather instead in terms of what it would be likely to be. Some of the new Possessed or something maybe.

I would've preferred Terminators or Chosen over the Helbrute or Dark Apostle.


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Voss wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Very surprised but happy to see they actually used the mulit-part models, rather than the gakky snap-fit sculpts.

But not the kill team add-on sprue, despite those rules being in the codex.
Nurr.

Yeah, a fantastic example of how annoying GW can be.

Life is marked by a distinct 'asymmetry' in which every good thing seems to be undercut by a bad thing.

 dan2026 wrote:
They have to release the Obliterators, Venomcrawler and Master of Possession separately, surely?

Without brand new kits for oblits and the VC (which there is no indication of) they can't, they share sprues with the greater possessed and the mono-pose marines.

 dan2026 wrote:
They have to release the Obliterators, Venomcrawler and Master of Possession separately, surely?

MoP, sure. It was a separate piece.

The Oblits & Venomcrawler bits were all jumbled up with each other and the Greater Possessed and snap fit basic Chaos Marines. So they're all or nothing. Unless they redo the sprues entirely.

Dudeface wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
They have to release the Obliterators, Venomcrawler and Master of Possession separately, surely?

Without brand new kits for oblits and the VC (which there is no indication of) they can't, they share sprues with the greater possessed and the mono-pose marines.

As far as I know the Oblits and VC share a sprue but don't share it with the mono-pose marines.



Greater Possessed aren't a thing anymore and the monopose CSMs aren't necessary, so it's likely, they'll release the Oblits and VC as a boxset.

I'd say that's a pretty decent box to start a CSM army with. It's all pretty iconic stuff, without being tied in to a particular legion, and it's all new models.

Oh joy, no rules yet.

 blood reaper wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
They have to release the Obliterators, Venomcrawler and Master of Possession separately, surely?

Without brand new kits for oblits and the VC (which there is no indication of) they can't, they share sprues with the greater possessed and the mono-pose marines.

As far as I know the Oblits and VC share a sprue but don't share it with the mono-pose marines.



Greater Possessed aren't a thing anymore and the monopose CSMs aren't necessary, so it's likely, they'll release the Oblits and VC as a boxset.

Why would GW jumble all the pieces up like this?
Surely they'd want to release them separately at some point and this prvents them doing so.

Voss wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Very surprised but happy to see they actually used the mulit-part models, rather than the gakky snap-fit sculpts.

But not the kill team add-on sprue, despite those rules being in the codex.
Nurr.

I wonder.

Since you can't get the monopose Chaos Space Marines from them anymore, does that mean CSM squads will no longer be able to take an autocannon? Because no model = no rules.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Very surprised but happy to see they actually used the mulit-part models, rather than the gakky snap-fit sculpts.

But not the kill team add-on sprue, despite those rules being in the codex.
Nurr.

I wonder.

Since you can't get the monopose Chaos Space Marines from them anymore, does that mean CSM squads will no longer be able to take an autocannon? Because no model = no rules.

GWs no model no rules sentiment is bizarre and frankly completely uncoordinated - I believe you will be able to keep it because Havocs get them, and the Havoc kit is designed to be mixed and matched with the standard CSMs.

...but I would take an immense degree of joy in seeing the idiots who support this kind of approach having to defend the loss of a classic option using the standard GW apologist arguments.

Crispy78 wrote:
I'd say that's a pretty decent box to start a CSM army with. It's all pretty iconic stuff, without being tied in to a particular legion, and it's all new models.

Its fine. Its just... eh. Now that the marines (sorry, the legionnaires) have the add-on sprue, I'm gonna be irked every time they're in a box without it.
Helbrutes and havocs aren't all that new anymore (and personally I still resent the redesign of havocs into a 5 man unit that isn't quite the same as the rest of the army)
Obligatory character is obligatory. Just... I dunno. There's something about this combo of units that feels weird. They're all technically legion agnostic (though the apostle always feels like a word bearer), but in combination, they don't feel right for anybody.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Very surprised but happy to see they actually used the mulit-part models, rather than the gakky snap-fit sculpts.

But not the kill team add-on sprue, despite those rules being in the codex.
Nurr.

I wonder.

Since you can't get the monopose Chaos Space Marines from them anymore, does that mean CSM squads will no longer be able to take an autocannon? Because no model = no rules.

GWs no model no rules sentiment is bizarre and frankly completely uncoordinated - I believe you will be able to keep it because Havocs get them, and the Havoc kit is designed to be mixed and matched with the standard CSMs.

...but I would take an immense degree of joy in seeing the idiots who support this kind of approach having to defend the loss of a classic option using the standard GW apologist arguments.

Kan will be super happy

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Very surprised but happy to see they actually used the mulit-part models, rather than the gakky snap-fit sculpts.

But not the kill team add-on sprue, despite those rules being in the codex.
Nurr.

I wonder.

Since you can't get the monopose Chaos Space Marines from them anymore, does that mean CSM squads will no longer be able to take an autocannon? Because no model = no rules.

GWs no model no rules sentiment is bizarre and frankly completely uncoordinated - I believe you will be able to keep it because Havocs get them, and the Havoc kit is designed to be mixed and matched with the standard CSMs.

...but I would take an immense degree of joy in seeing the idiots who support this kind of approach having to defend the loss of a classic option using the standard GW apologist arguments.

Kan will be super happy

Isn't he the person who defended the Autarch not having options GW promised?