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 JNAProductions wrote:
But… Lightning Claws are already in that kit.

But are they really?

From GW's perspective, they don't appear to be if the rumored load out is correct. Frankly, I can even see their point of view.

The Raptors/Warp Talon duel kit comes with 1 Chaos Powersword arm, 1 Chaos Powerfist arm, 5 Chaos Chainsword arms, and 5 pairs of highly mutated claw arms. In their mind (and I'm sure the assembly instructions), the first 3 are for non/lightly-mutated Raptors (3 choices of melee weapon for the Champion) and the last is for the highly-mutated Warp Talons.

So given GW's elastic, but more and more consistent, only what's in the box (or designed to be shared) datasheets, I totally see why Raptor Champions don't have Warp Talon (lightning or whatever the call them in the new codex) Claws is completely consistent with their direction on these thinks.

I'm not saying it is the best way to go. I'm saying it makes sense given the way they are doing things. Bringing this up time and time again is like railing against the ocean thinking it will stop the tide.

Much as I am loathe to weigh in on this neverending misery, only one pair of the claws are mutated, the rest are just Chaos lightning claws.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

drbored wrote:

Memnoch wrote:
So tbis seems to have gotten messy and negative.

Is there anything exciting about the ciodex rumours so far to look forward to? (Other than getting Daemons back)

So far it's just a matter of waiting.

I spotted a picture of this month's White Dwarf. The last page says: "Next Issue: World Eaters update!"

This would be the update to allow people to take Khorne Berzerkers and such until they get their own Codex. That White Dwarf would be due out mid-June.

GW has put out a few White Dwarfs with rules ahead of codex releases (Craftworld: Altansar, ahead of the Aeldari Codex).

In other words, that puts the timeframe of the Codex release anywhere between the 28th of May at the earliest, to the end of June.

Considering that we've just gone an entire week without any "hype", I'd say it's likely to be later rather than sooner. Especially since all of the current hype is being directed at HH. CSM may be after HH after all.

Nah. HH is the long-build-up of a new edition of what they hope to be a core game. We're going to be getting hype every day for it until release, even through other things coming out, like the Sylvaneth vs Skaven box set, Chaos Marines, and the rest of the Ash Wastes stuff they revealed. I'd be surprised if 30k is out before end of June.

Gert wrote:Much as I am loathe to weigh in on this neverending misery, only one pair of the claws are mutated, the rest are just Chaos lightning claws.

Yup. Though I'd say it's two "mutated" sets (the ones with three fingers per claw) and three "un-mutated". But that really doesn't matter, because Raptors are known to suffer from mutation. Most of the Bleeding Eyes could barely talk or walk upright. And if anyone remembers the previous set of Raptor models? Well, tell me that those guys looked "pure". Yeah, that explanation doesn't hold water.

drbored wrote:

Spoiler:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

drbored wrote:

Memnoch wrote:
So tbis seems to have gotten messy and negative.

Is there anything exciting about the ciodex rumours so far to look forward to? (Other than getting Daemons back)

So far it's just a matter of waiting.

I spotted a picture of this month's White Dwarf. The last page says: "Next Issue: World Eaters update!"

This would be the update to allow people to take Khorne Berzerkers and such until they get their own Codex. That White Dwarf would be due out mid-June.

GW has put out a few White Dwarfs with rules ahead of codex releases (Craftworld: Altansar, ahead of the Aeldari Codex).

In other words, that puts the timeframe of the Codex release anywhere between the 28th of May at the earliest, to the end of June.

Considering that we've just gone an entire week without any "hype", I'd say it's likely to be later rather than sooner. Especially since all of the current hype is being directed at HH. CSM may be after HH after all.

Nah. HH is the long-build-up of a new edition of what they hope to be a core game. We're going to be getting hype every day for it until release, even through other things coming out, like the Sylvaneth vs Skaven box set, Chaos Marines, and the rest of the Ash Wastes stuff they revealed. I'd be surprised if 30k is out before end of June.

Well, here's hoping that you're right, and I'm wrong.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Gert wrote:Much as I am loathe to weigh in on this neverending misery, only one pair of the claws are mutated, the rest are just Chaos lightning claws.

Yup. Though I'd say it's two "mutated" sets (the ones with three fingers per claw) and three "un-mutated". But that really doesn't matter, because Raptors are known to suffer from mutation. Most of the Bleeding Eyes could barely talk or walk upright. And if anyone remembers the previous set of Raptor models? Well, tell me that those guys looked "pure". Yeah, that explanation doesn't hold water.

I'll be honest I read the Bleeding Eyes as Raptors who were on the cusp of becoming Warp Talons.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Gert wrote:Much as I am loathe to weigh in on this neverending misery, only one pair of the claws are mutated, the rest are just Chaos lightning claws.

Yup. Though I'd say it's two "mutated" sets (the ones with three fingers per claw) and three "un-mutated". But that really doesn't matter, because Raptors are known to suffer from mutation. Most of the Bleeding Eyes could barely talk or walk upright. And if anyone remembers the previous set of Raptor models? Well, tell me that those guys looked "pure". Yeah, that explanation doesn't hold water.

I'll be honest I read the Bleeding Eyes as Raptors who were on the cusp of becoming Warp Talons.

That is an interpretation. But Blood Reaver (the book that introduced the Bleeding Eyes) was originally published in 2011, and we didn't get Warp Talons until the 6th edition codex, published in 2012. So maybe ADB was anticipating Warp Talons, or had foreknowledge of the new models? But, the illustration of the Bleeding Eyes on the cover of Blood Reaver matches the 3rd/4th edition Raptors, not the 6th edition Warp Talons. And those Raptors didn't look "pure". And the Aspiring Champion came with a pair of lightning claws.

ERJAK wrote:
We're all very impressed by your ability to glue sand to insulation foam. Truly a master of the arts.

Also, genius, internet forums are a form social media.

I love how proud people are about buying incomplete kits back in the day. "I made my own lasplas, obviously because I'm so awesome and creative! I totally didn't just let GW trick me into keeping lascannon and plasma bits off the secondary market!"

*sigh*

Fine scale modelling pre-dated GW by several hundred years. Early wargamers brought skills from that community that helped the game to thrive and, for the time, were truly remarkable to see. Scratch built tanks, scenery, and even units were actively encouraged by GW. Old White Dwarfs used to include instructions.

The only thing I've seen that's more impressive is the thirst to eliminate that aspect of the hobby, and encourage modelers to indict each other in pursuit of that end. Sad.

 Piglet Bro wrote:
Comments like this do a lot keeping new players out of the hobby (speaking personally). A funny choice to make considering how already shockingly difficult it is to break into correctly. Is it really that hard to tone down the hate lol

I get that tone is sometimes harder to ascertain in a text-based format, but blood reaper was being sarcastic.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Only thing I'm looking forward to is the rumored Red Corsairs trait, and even then we don't even have the rumored rules for Huron.

I fully expect Advance/Charge to be removed.

Uhhh.....just had a thought (yes, it hurt ). The leaked Terminators instruction sheet had a power fist and a chainfist, which are supposed to be separate from "Accursed Weapons", and a power sword, which we all assumed was the "Accursed Weapons" with the +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Now, the Raptors instructions had a power fist (separate from Accursed Weapons) and a power sword, with a +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Is it possible that all Aspiring Champions just get the option for Accursed Weapons? So it doesn't matter if it's a sword, axe, maul, or claws? Or anything else?

That would at least be consistent, if still stupid.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Piglet Bro wrote:
Comments like this do a lot keeping new players out of the hobby (speaking personally). A funny choice to make considering how already shockingly difficult it is to break into correctly. Is it really that hard to tone down the hate lol

I get that tone is sometimes harder to ascertain in a text-based format, but blood reaper was being sarcastic.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Only thing I'm looking forward to is the rumored Red Corsairs trait, and even then we don't even have the rumored rules for Huron.

I fully expect Advance/Charge to be removed.

Eh, White Scars kept it and I can't imagine Red Corsairs with anything else.

That was the start of 9th. We've been though a few paradigm shifts since then.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Uhhh.....just had a thought (yes, it hurt ). The leaked Terminators instruction sheet had a power fist and a chainfist, which are supposed to be separate from "Accursed Weapons", and a power sword, which we all assumed was the "Accursed Weapons" with the +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Now, the Raptors instructions had a power fist (separate from Accursed Weapons) and a power sword, with a +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Is it possible that all Aspiring Champions just get the option for Accursed Weapons? So it doesn't matter if it's a sword, axe, maul, or claws? Or anything else?

It's possible. It'd open up conversion opportunities at the cost of strategic variety

But at the end of the day, being able to give my guys anything that's not a fist and say 'accursed weapon' would save a whole heck of a lot of time.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Gert wrote:Much as I am loathe to weigh in on this neverending misery, only one pair of the claws are mutated, the rest are just Chaos lightning claws.

Yup. Though I'd say it's two "mutated" sets (the ones with three fingers per claw) and three "un-mutated". But that really doesn't matter, because Raptors are known to suffer from mutation. Most of the Bleeding Eyes could barely talk or walk upright. And if anyone remembers the previous set of Raptor models? Well, tell me that those guys looked "pure". Yeah, that explanation doesn't hold water.

I'll be honest I read the Bleeding Eyes as Raptors who were on the cusp of becoming Warp Talons.

That is an interpretation. But Blood Reaver (the book that introduced the Bleeding Eyes) was originally published in 2011, and we didn't get Warp Talons until the 6th edition codex, published in 2012. So maybe ADB was anticipating Warp Talons, or had foreknowledge of the new models? But, the illustration of the Bleeding Eyes on the cover of Blood Reaver matches the 3rd/4th edition Raptors, not the 6th edition Warp Talons. And those Raptors didn't look "pure". And the Aspiring Champion came with a pair of lightning claws.

I mean Chaos is never a straight line but rather a sliding scale and I went into the series with 2022 understanding, not a 2011 one so that's just how I read it.


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Uhhh.....just had a thought (yes, it hurt ). The leaked Terminators instruction sheet had a power fist and a chainfist, which are supposed to be separate from "Accursed Weapons", and a power sword, which we all assumed was the "Accursed Weapons" with the +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Now, the Raptors instructions had a power fist (separate from Accursed Weapons) and a power sword, with a +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Is it possible that all Aspiring Champions just get the option for Accursed Weapons? So it doesn't matter if it's a sword, axe, maul, or claws? Or anything else?

I asked about that on B&C and only Chosen/Terminators have it specifically on their datasheet as far as Clockworkchris knows (as in they didn't see the datasheets themselves just have info given which may be incomplete and if I recall correctly was play testing based), but no word on access to a Melee Weapons list that could have additional options.

1.) I actually like most of the leaked rules. With standartised rules chosen might be good without being a one-trick-pony for the first time (ever)! Not a fan of all the doctrine-legion-stratagem BS. But then that is a 9th.Ed issue. Certainly looking forward to throwing my cultist hordes onto the table. "Just kill them. That is their purpose." Now with extra mutations

Sure, maybe something something in my Army might get invalidated. But guess what: i have been in the Hobby 20+ years and this happens all the time. Often enough it turns out to be good for the game. I have yet to meet a player who does not accept "this is illegal now so i play it as x, which i find is the closest to wysiwyg". ( Pretending one legal option is another legal one is another thing. Big No-Go).


2.) Usually i am not a fan of the "wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change" attitude. Love it or leave it.
But man, this is so Chaos!
The (GW) Emperor has betrayed us! He is evil. We deserve better!

So after years of lurking i had to make an account just to point this out

 ClockworkZion wrote:

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Gert wrote:Much as I am loathe to weigh in on this neverending misery, only one pair of the claws are mutated, the rest are just Chaos lightning claws.

Yup. Though I'd say it's two "mutated" sets (the ones with three fingers per claw) and three "un-mutated". But that really doesn't matter, because Raptors are known to suffer from mutation. Most of the Bleeding Eyes could barely talk or walk upright. And if anyone remembers the previous set of Raptor models? Well, tell me that those guys looked "pure". Yeah, that explanation doesn't hold water.

I'll be honest I read the Bleeding Eyes as Raptors who were on the cusp of becoming Warp Talons.

That is an interpretation. But Blood Reaver (the book that introduced the Bleeding Eyes) was originally published in 2011, and we didn't get Warp Talons until the 6th edition codex, published in 2012. So maybe ADB was anticipating Warp Talons, or had foreknowledge of the new models? But, the illustration of the Bleeding Eyes on the cover of Blood Reaver matches the 3rd/4th edition Raptors, not the 6th edition Warp Talons. And those Raptors didn't look "pure". And the Aspiring Champion came with a pair of lightning claws.

I mean Chaos is never a straight line but rather a sliding scale and I went into the series with 2022 understanding, not a 2011 one so that's just how I read it.

I wasn't trying to bust your chops, just pointing out some things. I originally read Blood Reaver in 2011, and they were Raptors then, as I had never heard of Warp Talons. But since Warp Talons became a thing, I see them as an "evolution" that many Raptors eventually go through, if they advance further enough into the Raptor Cult (or too far, depending on the individual Raptor's POV).

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Uhhh.....just had a thought (yes, it hurt ). The leaked Terminators instruction sheet had a power fist and a chainfist, which are supposed to be separate from "Accursed Weapons", and a power sword, which we all assumed was the "Accursed Weapons" with the +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Now, the Raptors instructions had a power fist (separate from Accursed Weapons) and a power sword, with a +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Is it possible that all Aspiring Champions just get the option for Accursed Weapons? So it doesn't matter if it's a sword, axe, maul, or claws? Or anything else?

I asked about that on B&C and only Chosen/Terminators have it specifically on their datasheet as far as Clockworkchris knows (as in they didn't see the datasheets themselves just have info given which may be incomplete and if I recall correctly was play testing based), but no word on access to a Melee Weapons list that could have additional options.

Yeah, Clockworkchris' source is leaking from what they themselves describe as "very old" playtest rules, and only giving out information piecemeal. Remember, when the leaks started, everything got Legion traits. Then it became everything except Cultists. So things could have changed since those playtest rules were written. But does any 9th edition codex have a separate "Weapons list"? I thought everything was on the datasheets in 9th edition codexes. That's why I thought maybe Aspiring Champions just get Accursed Weapons like Chosen and Terminators.

CoALabaer wrote:
1.) I actually like most of the leaked rules. With standartised rules chosen might be good without being a one-trick-pony for the first time (ever)!

Instead of being useful in one role, they won't be useful in any roles! How fantastic is that!

CoALabaer wrote:
Love it or leave it.

)

There is something immensely funny to me in using the phrase 'Love it or leave it' as a response to criticism, because it was the phrase the Brazilian Military Dictatorship, who argued if you didn't like how things were run, you had to leave.

There is something immensely ghoulish in this "You WILL like things! You WILL NOT complain! You WILL enjoy things!" A real cult of grinning martyrs and ultimate consoomer, sunk cost mindset. You can see it all throughout the thread - people trying to find the most desperate of excuses to defend the lapsing state of the game.

I am reminded of an entertaining quote from Thomas Ligotti's Conspiracy against the Human Race,

Thomas Ligotti wrote:"If you do not feel good enough for long enough, you should act as if you do and even think as if you do... So start pretending that you feel good enough for long enough, stop your complaining, and get back in line."

A daily reminder; anyone who complains about the complainers is 100% subject to an optimism bias and dislikes being challenged or having to realise things aren't going well.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Spoiler:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Gert wrote:Much as I am loathe to weigh in on this neverending misery, only one pair of the claws are mutated, the rest are just Chaos lightning claws.

Yup. Though I'd say it's two "mutated" sets (the ones with three fingers per claw) and three "un-mutated". But that really doesn't matter, because Raptors are known to suffer from mutation. Most of the Bleeding Eyes could barely talk or walk upright. And if anyone remembers the previous set of Raptor models? Well, tell me that those guys looked "pure". Yeah, that explanation doesn't hold water.

I'll be honest I read the Bleeding Eyes as Raptors who were on the cusp of becoming Warp Talons.

That is an interpretation. But Blood Reaver (the book that introduced the Bleeding Eyes) was originally published in 2011, and we didn't get Warp Talons until the 6th edition codex, published in 2012. So maybe ADB was anticipating Warp Talons, or had foreknowledge of the new models? But, the illustration of the Bleeding Eyes on the cover of Blood Reaver matches the 3rd/4th edition Raptors, not the 6th edition Warp Talons. And those Raptors didn't look "pure". And the Aspiring Champion came with a pair of lightning claws.

I mean Chaos is never a straight line but rather a sliding scale and I went into the series with 2022 understanding, not a 2011 one so that's just how I read it.

I wasn't trying to bust your chops, just pointing out some things. I originally read Blood Reaver in 2011, and they were Raptors then, as I had never heard of Warp Talons. But since Warp Talons became a thing, I see them as an "evolution" that many Raptors eventually go through, if they advance further enough into the Raptor Cult (or too far, depending on the individual Raptor's POV).

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Uhhh.....just had a thought (yes, it hurt ). The leaked Terminators instruction sheet had a power fist and a chainfist, which are supposed to be separate from "Accursed Weapons", and a power sword, which we all assumed was the "Accursed Weapons" with the +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Now, the Raptors instructions had a power fist (separate from Accursed Weapons) and a power sword, with a +1S, AP-3, D1 profile. Is it possible that all Aspiring Champions just get the option for Accursed Weapons? So it doesn't matter if it's a sword, axe, maul, or claws? Or anything else?

I asked about that on B&C and only Chosen/Terminators have it specifically on their datasheet as far as Clockworkchris knows (as in they didn't see the datasheets themselves just have info given which may be incomplete and if I recall correctly was play testing based), but no word on access to a Melee Weapons list that could have additional options.

Yeah, Clockworkchris' source is leaking from what they themselves describe as "very old" playtest rules, and only giving out information piecemeal. Remember, when the leaks started, everything got Legion traits. Then it became everything except Cultists. So things could have changed since those playtest rules were written. But does any 9th edition codex have a separate "Weapons list"? I thought everything was on the datasheets in 9th edition codexes. That's why I thought maybe Aspiring Champions just get Accursed Weapons like Chosen and Terminators.

Sisters codex has a weapons list. I think others do too. Even if Accursed Weapons aren't on it there remains a chance that Lightning Claws might.

Yes, there are weapon lists. Some factions just have too many options for there not to be.

Mind you, not every datasheet uses them, even in books when they do exist and their weapons overlap. Because datasheets are just terrible and sometimes what they show is based on what fits on the page, not what's useful to know.

Voss wrote:
Yes, there are weapon lists. Some factions just have too many options for there not to be.

Mind you, not every datasheet uses them, even in books when they do exist and their weapons overlap. Because datasheets are just terrible and sometimes what they show is based on what fits on the page, not what's useful to know.

Yeah, the one 9th edition datasheet source that I have, the Imperial Armour Compendium, is pretty egregious about that. In some instances, the weapons that units are/can be armed with are listed, but no actual stats are given, even though there's a half a page or more left blank. The comparison between the loyalist Contemptor and Chaos Contemptor is particularly odd, as the loyalist datasheet only lists the stats of a few of the available weapons, while the Chaos datasheet lists everything, and both units have identical rules (infuriatingly), and both have a full page to themselves. Weird.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Yes, there are weapon lists. Some factions just have too many options for there not to be.

Mind you, not every datasheet uses them, even in books when they do exist and their weapons overlap. Because datasheets are just terrible and sometimes what they show is based on what fits on the page, not what's useful to know.

Yeah, the one 9th edition datasheet source that I have, the Imperial Armour Compendium, is pretty egregious about that. In some instances, the weapons that units are/can be armed with are listed, but no actual stats are given, even though there's a half a page or more left blank. The comparison between the loyalist Contemptor and Chaos Contemptor is particularly odd, as the loyalist datasheet only lists the stats of a few of the available weapons, while the Chaos datasheet lists everything, and both units have identical rules (infuriatingly), and both have a full page to themselves. Weird.

Yes, the TS codex has a bunch of that. And, personally, it infuriates me. It stinks of page layout errors never fixed in editing.

Yeah, Chaos Knights book kinda has that problem, datasheets will show some weapon stats but not others, even though theres empty space on the page, even though there isn't another unit in the book that uses those weapons (Knight Tyrant and Knight Despoiler are the most infuriatingly obvious example), etc. Then theres the War Dogs - the Executioner shows stats for the meltagun and heavy stubber in addition to its main weapons, the Huntsmen shows stats for its main weapons and the meltagun, but not the heavy stubber - even though most of the page is empty.

That does sound like some poor decisions were made - I wonder if whoever was laying out the datasheets was told there'd be art or photos in the gap, so there was a limit to what they could include?

Sooooo.......World Eaters update in June issue of WD, slated for June 17th. So, codex release sometime around then?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Sooooo.......World Eaters update in June issue of WD, slated for June 17th. So, codex release sometime around then?

World Eaters Codex isn't coming this edition even, i bet, given they barely have any models to show off, and those get finished a few years before relase. And the WD update is supposed to give the players some kind of an update so they don't have to wait actual years for any attention.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Sooooo.......World Eaters update in June issue of WD, slated for June 17th. So, codex release sometime around then?

World Eaters Codex isn't coming this edition even, i bet, given they barely have any models to show off, and those get finished a few years before relase. And the WD update is supposed to give the players some kind of an update so they don't have to wait actual years for any attention.

I meant the CSM codex. Sorry for assuming that everyone could work that out. Obviously they're not going to release a World Eaters update for a World Eaters Codex.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Sooooo.......World Eaters update in June issue of WD, slated for June 17th. So, codex release sometime around then?

World Eaters Codex isn't coming this edition even, i bet, given they barely have any models to show off, and those get finished a few years before relase. And the WD update is supposed to give the players some kind of an update so they don't have to wait actual years for any attention.

You're arguing that absence of evidence means they don't have models. Rather than that they chose not to show any off (possibly because the preview show was pretty packed with marines and marine related things, and chaos and chaos related things. And people have a tendency to complain when too many marine things happen. They still are, but this way they can pretend for a little while that we aren't seeing anything else until Squats come out (except in AoS and side games)

Meanwhile, the preview article on world eaters says this:

We’ll be bringing you more updates on Codex: World Eaters and these murderous new miniatures over the next few months on Warhammer Community – so you can follow the Eightfold Path right up to release.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/

They aren't coming right away, but that says to me that they're coming by December at the latest.


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@Gadzilla- yeah. Between the combat patrol and the WD article, I'd assume that by mid-June, CSM codex is out. Busy month, really. I suspect by the end of this month, so they don't water down the HH release in June.

Voss wrote:
@Gadzilla- yeah. Between the combat patrol and the WD article, I'd assume that by mid-June, CSM codex is out. Busy month, really. I suspect by the end of this month, so they don't water down the HH release in June.

They wouldn't have much time to hype up the codex if it's up for pre-order by the end of the month. They'd really have to pack those articles in. Either way, I bet they'll start them next week. Finally, something concrete (or at least as concrete as anything Warcom ever puts out is).

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Voss wrote:
@Gadzilla- yeah. Between the combat patrol and the WD article, I'd assume that by mid-June, CSM codex is out. Busy month, really. I suspect by the end of this month, so they don't water down the HH release in June.

They wouldn't have much time to hype up the codex if it's up for pre-order by the end of the month. They'd really have to pack those articles in. Either way, I bet they'll start them next week. Finally, something concrete (or at least as concrete as anything Warcom ever puts out is).

Eh? I mean, we're at the preorder for DoK and NH, and the amount of 'hype articles' they've got up is... a grand total of six (seven? one is a reference to a battle report somewhere else) between them since April 21st. And a nice derail for the Skaven vs Trees battlebox (independent of the preview show coverage of other armies).

I don't think the hype articles are really framing/guiding release dates anymore. They're just kind of happen as they shovel stuff on to trucks.
Besides (and I'm fairly serious here): what else have they got in the wings to release?

Voss wrote:

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Voss wrote:
@Gadzilla- yeah. Between the combat patrol and the WD article, I'd assume that by mid-June, CSM codex is out. Busy month, really. I suspect by the end of this month, so they don't water down the HH release in June.

They wouldn't have much time to hype up the codex if it's up for pre-order by the end of the month. They'd really have to pack those articles in. Either way, I bet they'll start them next week. Finally, something concrete (or at least as concrete as anything Warcom ever puts out is).

Eh? I mean, we're at the preorder for DoK and NH, and the amount of 'hype articles' they've got up is... a grand total of six (seven? one is a reference to a battle report somewhere else) between them since April 21st. And a nice derail for the Skaven vs Trees battlebox (independent of the preview show coverage of other armies).

I don't think the hype articles are really framing/guiding release dates anymore. They're just kind of happen as they shovel stuff on to trucks.
Besides (and I'm fairly serious here): what else have they got in the wings to release?

Hmm....not a lot, actually. I guess I was just thinking that finally releasing the CSM codex after all of this time would warrant a little fanfare. But, the quicker the better. I think we've had enough time to "wait and see", by now.