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EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kits can add anesthetics. Not really the same thing.

To each their own, I'm sure plenty of tsons and DG players enjoy the extra stuff their books gift them. You're welcome to keep playing generic nurgle/tzeentch warband with CSM book and get what you want I guess?

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kits can add anesthetics. Not really the same thing.

To each their own, I'm sure plenty of tsons and DG players enjoy the extra stuff their books gift them. You're welcome to keep playing generic nurgle/tzeentch warband with CSM book and get what you want I guess?

You aren't getting extra stuff if you remove more than you had access to.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kits can add anesthetics. Not really the same thing.

To each their own, I'm sure plenty of tsons and DG players enjoy the extra stuff their books gift them. You're welcome to keep playing generic nurgle/tzeentch warband with CSM book and get what you want I guess?

You aren't getting extra stuff if you remove more than you had access to.

OK, since your while stance is based on pedantry: I'm sure plenty of DG or Tsons players were thankful to have extra attention lavished upon their factions, receive expanded rules and be given alternate unique units to make them feel like they have a stronger identity.

That better, or do you wish to continue gaking on the decisions because you expected vanilla units + extras?

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kits can add anesthetics. Not really the same thing.

To each their own, I'm sure plenty of tsons and DG players enjoy the extra stuff their books gift them. You're welcome to keep playing generic nurgle/tzeentch warband with CSM book and get what you want I guess?

You aren't getting extra stuff if you remove more than you had access to.

OK, since your while stance is based on pedantry: I'm sure plenty of DG or Tsons players were thankful to have extra attention lavished upon their factions, receive expanded rules and be given alternate unique units to make them feel like they have a stronger identity.

That better, or do you wish to continue gaking on the decisions because you expected vanilla units + extras?

You really can't put Death Guard and Thousand Sons on the same level of "attention".

Death Guard got a fully fledged relase with 19 brand new, unique kits, including a good few regular units, a few characters, an unique vehicle, a few daemon engines, and a large amount of characters.

Thousand Sons got 6 kits, three of which are a single character, and the rest of their lineup was hap-hazardly patched with Fantasy Beastmen with a low-effort ugprade kit tossed in, and some random things from the regular CSM 'dex.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kits can add anesthetics. Not really the same thing.

[/spoiler]To each their own, I'm sure plenty of tsons and DG players enjoy the extra stuff their books gift them. You're welcome to keep playing generic nurgle/tzeentch warband with CSM book and get what you want I guess?

You aren't getting extra stuff if you remove more than you had access to.

OK, since your while stance is based on pedantry: I'm sure plenty of DG or Tsons players were thankful to have extra attention lavished upon their factions, receive expanded rules and be given alternate unique units to make them feel like they have a stronger identity.

That better, or do you wish to continue gaking on the decisions because you expected vanilla units + extras?

[spoiler]

You really can't put Death Guard and Thousand Sons on the same level of "attention".

Death Guard got a fully fledged relase with 19 brand new, unique kits, including a good few regular units, a few characters, an unique vehicle, a few daemon engines, and a large amount of characters.

Thousand Sons got 6 kits, three of which are a single character, and the rest of their lineup was hap-hazardly patched with Fantasy Beastmen with a low-effort ugprade kit tossed in, and some random things from the regular CSM 'dex.

Couldn't have put it better

Definitely hope the WE will be on the DG side of the spectrum.

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kits can add anesthetics. Not really the same thing.

To each their own, I'm sure plenty of tsons and DG players enjoy the extra stuff their books gift them. You're welcome to keep playing generic nurgle/tzeentch warband with CSM book and get what you want I guess?

You aren't getting extra stuff if you remove more than you had access to.

OK, since your while stance is based on pedantry: I'm sure plenty of DG or Tsons players were thankful to have extra attention lavished upon their factions, receive expanded rules and be given alternate unique units to make them feel like they have a stronger identity.

That better, or do you wish to continue gaking on the decisions because you expected vanilla units + extras?

It may not have been what was intended, but the original statement had quite a different meaning. There's no pedantic argument at hand here and the hostility just distracts from the point trying to be made.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kits can add anesthetics. Not really the same thing.

To each their own, I'm sure plenty of tsons and DG players enjoy the extra stuff their books gift them. You're welcome to keep playing generic nurgle/tzeentch warband with CSM book and get what you want I guess?

You aren't getting extra stuff if you remove more than you had access to.

OK, since your while stance is based on pedantry: I'm sure plenty of DG or Tsons players were thankful to have extra attention lavished upon their factions, receive expanded rules and be given alternate unique units to make them feel like they have a stronger identity.

That better, or do you wish to continue gaking on the decisions because you expected vanilla units + extras?

It may not have been what was intended, but the original statement had quite a different meaning. There's no pedantic argument at hand here and the hostility just distracts from the point trying to be made.

This is the original statement from the last page, EviscerationPlague just chopped the comment history off.

Noooooo you don't understand they need to be stripped of units like Obliterators and Raptors if you wanna be fluffy, otherwise you're just a power gamer!

Agree, sorry for any hostility but I didn't appreciate the intensively obtuse response. Yes Tsons and DG lost some units in exchange for elevation to bespoke faction, but I consider it a good thing and don't understand why someone would rather have just remained a 1 page CSM list of rules with no support.

Edit: also, drawing a line under it, some people happy legions become supported independent armies, some upset they're not just baked into chaos marines still.

Can some heroic leaker deliver us from this endless cycle of arguments by bringing us some actual new to discuss ? Please !

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Can some heroic leaker deliver us from this endless cycle of arguments by bringing us some actual new to discuss ? Please !

I think it'll be a drought until review copies appear in the wild, possibly another 3 weeks?

Dudeface wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Can some heroic leaker deliver us from this endless cycle of arguments by bringing us some actual new to discuss ? Please !

I think it'll be a drought until review copies appear in the wild, possibly another 3 weeks?

Not expecting anything before July 4 for preorders and shipping week of July 18.

You expect 2 week preorder for codex? When has GW done that?

Not recently (unless memory fails).

The real question is how tightly they're going to pack HH releases. While a lot is coming up in the first wave, we know there's more.

If they space them out, Chaos marines might fill in the gaps, if they're pushing them out week after week, it could be a while.

Honestly, after the big teaser preview, I didn't expect them to be dropped on the back burner again. Figured GW would shove them out and go back to ignoring them (in 40k)

Dudeface wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kits can add anesthetics. Not really the same thing.

To each their own, I'm sure plenty of tsons and DG players enjoy the extra stuff their books gift them. You're welcome to keep playing generic nurgle/tzeentch warband with CSM book and get what you want I guess?

You aren't getting extra stuff if you remove more than you had access to.

OK, since your while stance is based on pedantry: I'm sure plenty of DG or Tsons players were thankful to have extra attention lavished upon their factions, receive expanded rules and be given alternate unique units to make them feel like they have a stronger identity.

That better, or do you wish to continue gaking on the decisions because you expected vanilla units + extras?

It may not have been what was intended, but the original statement had quite a different meaning. There's no pedantic argument at hand here and the hostility just distracts from the point trying to be made.

This is the original statement from the last page, EviscerationPlague just chopped the comment history off.

Noooooo you don't understand they need to be stripped of units like Obliterators and Raptors if you wanna be fluffy, otherwise you're just a power gamer!

Agree, sorry for any hostility but I didn't appreciate the intensively obtuse response. Yes Tsons and DG lost some units in exchange for elevation to bespoke faction, but I consider it a good thing and don't understand why someone would rather have just remained a 1 page CSM list of rules with no support.

Edit: also, drawing a line under it, some people happy legions become supported independent armies, some upset they're not just baked into chaos marines still.

Not every fething thing needs bespoke rules. All these bespoke rules are a PROBLEM.

Voss wrote:
Not recently (unless memory fails).

The real question is how tightly they're going to pack HH releases. While a lot is coming up in the first wave, we know there's more.

If they space them out, Chaos marines might fill in the gaps, if they're pushing them out week after week, it could be a while.

Honestly, after the big teaser preview, I didn't expect them to be dropped on the back burner again. Figured GW would shove them out and go back to ignoring them (in 40k)

Also 2 aos books coming soonish as the box came out and books follow 1-2 months later so far. I'm constantly reminding csm might come before us as they started hyping them before sylvaneth&skaven

(also ghb22 should be coming soonish)

Erm. Chaos Bikers build instructions leaked. This is weird, because they're the same models, which makes this the first time that I'm aware of that the big model leak was wrong, and the rules don't match up with what was leaked by ClockworkChris:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Chaos40k/comments/v2n680/if_we_are_getting_new_bikes_they_are_going_to_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I guess bikers can say good bye to weapon options...

Does anyone know what base sizes the new chaos stuff will be?

They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.

Save bikers for when Emperor's Children come out and the return of DOOMRIDER!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess bikers can say good bye to weapon options...

Yup. And even pistols and chainswords, it seems. The great Option Purge continues......

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.

Doubtful since the timing of the leak would mean the codex would have already gone to print.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.

Save bikers for when Emperor's Children come out and the return of DOOMRIDER!

HELL YEAH!

DOOMRIDER! would be amazing to get back

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess bikers can say good bye to weapon options...

I thought bikers had a sprue that let you mount plasma and flamers on the bike itself ?

Box stats always only show the weapon options in the actual kit.
It has been quite some time (decades!) since i build my bikers. But iirc they had no plastic melee/ Champion weapon options.

So no bolt pistol on bikers now (on top of all the special weapons)
And no champ or champ options?

That seems incredible tbh

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.

Doubtful since the timing of the leak would mean the codex would have already gone to print.

We never (to my knowledge) had a description of what the new bikers looked like, nor was there ever a statement that there were images of the new bikers in the codex, etc. Also the source for the new biker minis in the big rumordump is different from clockworkchris/ok_entrepreneur/codex content. Its entirely possible that the rumordump source was aware of details of model production, but not codex data (which makes sense since for the most part that source did not offer details about rules content, just minis, with the sole exception of some vague details about Black Templar rules).

As for the codex rumors themselves, hasn't it been said on multiple occasions that the info in the book was from an early playtest draft and was subject to change? That alone would imply that the publication status of the codex with regards to leak timing is irrelevant.

Doohicky wrote:
So no bolt pistol on bikers now (on top of all the special weapons)
And no champ or champ options?

That seems incredible tbh

To be fair if you wanted to do those things you were just a power gamer

CoALabaer wrote:
Box stats always only show the weapon options in the actual kit.

And increasingly rules only allow what's in the actual kit.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.

Doubtful since the timing of the leak would mean the codex would have already gone to print.

We never (to my knowledge) had a description of what the new bikers looked like, nor was there ever a statement that there were images of the new bikers in the codex, etc. Also the source for the new biker minis in the big rumordump is different from clockworkchris/ok_entrepreneur/codex content. Its entirely possible that the rumordump source was aware of details of model production, but not codex data (which makes sense since for the most part that source did not offer details about rules content, just minis, with the sole exception of some vague details about Black Templar rules).

As for the codex rumors themselves, hasn't it been said on multiple occasions that the info in the book was from an early playtest draft and was subject to change? That alone would imply that the publication status of the codex with regards to leak timing is irrelevant.

The VERY ACCURATE rumor dump clearly said new bikes. Even without a description of what they'd look like that's hard to misinterpret.

They're getting a wonderful new... box...

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
They could have decided to hold new bikers for a future release, isn't the first time they've held stuff, won't be the last.

Doubtful since the timing of the leak would mean the codex would have already gone to print.

We never (to my knowledge) had a description of what the new bikers looked like, nor was there ever a statement that there were images of the new bikers in the codex, etc. Also the source for the new biker minis in the big rumordump is different from clockworkchris/ok_entrepreneur/codex content. Its entirely possible that the rumordump source was aware of details of model production, but not codex data (which makes sense since for the most part that source did not offer details about rules content, just minis, with the sole exception of some vague details about Black Templar rules).

As for the codex rumors themselves, hasn't it been said on multiple occasions that the info in the book was from an early playtest draft and was subject to change? That alone would imply that the publication status of the codex with regards to leak timing is irrelevant.

The VERY ACCURATE rumor dump clearly said new bikes. Even without a description of what they'd look like that's hard to misinterpret.

Maybe, those were for World Eaters? Or were getting a second "biker squad"?