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 kodos wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean I think he's specifically talking about the people who now deny Warp Talons ever had lightning claws, and that lightning claws do not exist in the CSM army.

by his reaction, that he takes it personal what we are talking about, I am not sure if he is not one of them

I bended the rules and WYSIWYG for more then 20 years and I had a lot of fun with conversions. I just wonder why people with Raptors with claws just don't use the Warp Talon rules.

And yes, I take it personal and arrogant if someone like you, who didn't play any GW game for many years, is still appointed to call those who do trained simps. A bit more sense of reality and modesty would be a start.

Yes, I'll use all one of my Raptor Champs as a single Talon, who looks nothing like a Warp Talon.

My two jump pack Lords can join him. I'll just 'Counts As' his bolt pistol and Daemonic blade blade on one of them as 'Warp Blades'.

'Counts As' is never the answer. People have every right to hate this absurdly inconsistent change.

 Xyxel wrote:
Please change to name of this thread to : "CSM whining list".
Hardly any rumors here to read.

We're discussing the rumours and leaks.

Just yesterday we got a bunch of new sheets leaked. That was less than 24 hours ago!

What the hell else do you want?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean I think he's specifically talking about the people who now deny Warp Talons ever had lightning claws, and that lightning claws do not exist in the CSM army.

by his reaction, that he takes it personal what we are talking about, I am not sure if he is not one of them

I bended the rules and WYSIWYG for more then 20 years and I had a lot of fun with conversions. I just wonder why people with Raptors with claws just don't use the Warp Talon rules.

And yes, I take it personal and arrogant if someone like you, who didn't play any GW game for many years, is still appointed to call those who do trained simps. A bit more sense of reality and modesty would be a start.

well, the problem:
having 1 model in a unit of 5 that has Claws is not allowed to be used any more because the Claws in the kit are Talons and "no model no rules" + WYSIWYG

and your solution is:
buy another box to get a unit of Warp Talons

yeah, you are a perfect trained simp

PS: and yes, with such releases I am glad I am out of 40k and won't come back
lets see what the 10th Edition CSM Codex brings

The Chosen kit have a pair of Lightning Claws.

Chopstick wrote:
The Chosen kit have a pair of Lightning Claws.

No they don't, they come with Accursed Weapons /s

 kodos wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean I think he's specifically talking about the people who now deny Warp Talons ever had lightning claws, and that lightning claws do not exist in the CSM army.

by his reaction, that he takes it personal what we are talking about, I am not sure if he is not one of them

I bended the rules and WYSIWYG for more then 20 years and I had a lot of fun with conversions. I just wonder why people with Raptors with claws just don't use the Warp Talon rules.

And yes, I take it personal and arrogant if someone like you, who didn't play any GW game for many years, is still appointed to call those who do trained simps. A bit more sense of reality and modesty would be a start.

well, the problem:
having 1 model in a unit of 5 that has Claws is not allowed to be used any more because the Claws in the kit are Talons and "no model no rules" + WYSIWYG

and your solution is:
buy another box to get a unit of Warp Talons

yeah, you are a perfect trained simp

PS: and yes, with such releases I am glad I am out of 40k and won't come back
lets see what the 10th Edition CSM Codex brings

Well... you don't understand anything. At all. And this post... are you drunk?

PM me in German if you need help or some serious talk. Being a jerk isn't the best appearance in a forum and as I don't want to be something like that I'll stop it now.

Oh yeah, drive-by accusing another poster of being an alcoholic is taking the moral high ground.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Oh yeah, drive-by accusing another poster of being an alcoholic is taking the moral high ground.

Not really (though I like my beer too). Kodos is usually quite direct and has his points, but I'm not willing to take those insults undisputed. That's all.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean I think he's specifically talking about the people who now deny Warp Talons ever had lightning claws, and that lightning claws do not exist in the CSM army.

by his reaction, that he takes it personal what we are talking about, I am not sure if he is not one of them

I bended the rules and WYSIWYG for more then 20 years and I had a lot of fun with conversions. I just wonder why people with Raptors with claws just don't use the Warp Talon rules.

How many special ranged weapons can a warp talon squad take?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean I think he's specifically talking about the people who now deny Warp Talons ever had lightning claws, and that lightning claws do not exist in the CSM army.

by his reaction, that he takes it personal what we are talking about, I am not sure if he is not one of them

I bended the rules and WYSIWYG for more then 20 years and I had a lot of fun with conversions. I just wonder why people with Raptors with claws just don't use the Warp Talon rules.

How many special ranged weapons can a warp talon squad take?

I mean to be fair if calling some lightning claws a powefist is beyond the realm of reasonable compromise or imagination then calling a flamer lightning claws likely is too.

Ultimately I find the change weird more than annoying, it's likely to give raptors a more defined visual silhouette via loadouts.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Oh yeah, drive-by accusing another poster of being an alcoholic is taking the moral high ground.

Not really (though I like my beer too). Kodos is usually quite direct and has his points, but I'm not willing to take those insults undisputed. That's all.

they only one that insults people is you

if you feel personal insulted by a general statement that people who defend the GW "no model no rules" in the case of Raptors because the kit comes with Talons that are not meant to be used as Claws are fallen for GW marketing (in your words trained simps)

than I guess I just hit your sensitive point

and if you feel the need to defend GW by directly insulting other people, or think that people who call GW's bs out must be drunk
I don't see why this make my original statement less ture

Are Wolf Claws still different from Lightning Claws?

Dudeface wrote:
I mean to be fair if calling some lightning claws a powefist is beyond the realm of reasonable compromise or imagination then calling a flamer lightning claws likely is too.

Ultimately I find the change weird more than annoying, it's likely to give raptors a more defined visual silhouette via loadouts.

in the usual friendly gaming envoirnment, WYSIWYG is long gone anyway
so this won't be a problem at all

but trying to justify the change by there are no Claws in the kit, is on a different level and is simple the prime example of the stupidity we find in the new Codex

PS: and that former 40k players take this bs over to games as well is something I personally feel angry about (I just wandered were this came from on the weekend because it was never a problem before that Claws, Talons, Lightning Claws, Warp Claws, Wolf Claws, Frost Claws are all the same basic weapon-model in the kits)

Dudeface wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean I think he's specifically talking about the people who now deny Warp Talons ever had lightning claws, and that lightning claws do not exist in the CSM army.

by his reaction, that he takes it personal what we are talking about, I am not sure if he is not one of them

I bended the rules and WYSIWYG for more then 20 years and I had a lot of fun with conversions. I just wonder why people with Raptors with claws just don't use the Warp Talon rules.

How many special ranged weapons can a warp talon squad take?

I mean to be fair if calling some lightning claws a powefist is beyond the realm of reasonable compromise or imagination then calling a flamer lightning claws likely is too.

Ultimately I find the change weird more than annoying, it's likely to give raptors a more defined visual silhouette via loadouts.

'Defined visual silhouette'

GW must have the most sterile concept of game and figure design imaginable. By far the most anti-hobby company out there.

 Xyxel wrote:
Please change to name of this thread to : "CSM whining list".
Hardly any rumors here to read.

Complaining about a product for the betterment of it is not whining. Go take your toxic positivity elsewhere.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Xyxel wrote:
Please change to name of this thread to : "CSM whining list".
Hardly any rumors here to read.

Complaining about a product for the betterment of it is not whining. Go take your toxic positivity elsewhere.

Indeed. There is a difference between complaining and whining.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Xyxel wrote:
Please change to name of this thread to : "CSM whining list".
Hardly any rumors here to read.

Complaining about a product for the betterment of it is not whining. Go take your toxic positivity elsewhere.

I've done clinical research on toxic positivity. What he wrote is not toxic positivity. He's right. This thread has degenerated in to unproductive, baseless complaining, in typical fashion for this forum. I also vote for closing this thread.

edit: god, and I thought eldar players were the whiniest...

 Dryaktylus wrote:
I bended the rules and WYSIWYG for more then 20 years and I had a lot of fun with conversions. I just wonder why people with Raptors with claws just don't use the Warp Talon rules.

Well, personally, and I might be a bit of an odd example, because I already have as many Warp Talons as I can use. Three full squads. 30 models. I don't need any more.

And, further, I've been running lightning claws on Raptor Aspiring Champions for 20 years, as well as quite a few of my CSM, Chosen, and Havoc Aspiring Champions. Oh, and my Chaos Lords. And it's been a legal option that entire time. There's absolutely no logical reason for lightning claws to be removed as an option for any of those. It's completely arbitrary and pointless. Same for removing the option of jump packs from our Chaos Lords and Sorcerers.

Zachectomy wrote:
This thread has degenerated in to unproductive, baseless complaining, in typical fashion for this forum. I also vote for closing this thread.

To which I repeat:

We're discussing the rumours and leaks. Just yesterday we got a bunch of new sheets leaked.

That was less than 24 hours ago! What the hell else do you want?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
How many special ranged weapons can a warp talon squad take?

Two. And they can both be the same weapon, unlike Legionnaire squads, despite both kits only having one of each type.

Chaosistency!!!

Dudeface wrote:
... it's likely to give raptors a more defined visual silhouette via loadouts.

For real? The Champ not having access to a weapon he's had access to for 23 years will suddenly give Ratpors are "more defined visual silhouette"?

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I don't like how unstable a game 40k has become. I could tear about models to rebuild them to match the new codex rules but there is a solid chance that all the stuff that is missing will just get put back in for the next codex.

As a Dark Eldar player... don't count on it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
How many special ranged weapons can a warp talon squad take?

Two. And they can both be the same weapon, unlike Legionnaire squads, despite both kits only having one of each type.

Chaosistency!!!

Well aktsuahly warp talons don't get specials Despite having specials in the box

Dudeface wrote:
... it's likely to give raptors a more defined visual silhouette via loadouts.

For real? The Champ not having access to a weapon he's had access to for 23 years will suddenly give Ratpors are "more defined visual silhouette"?

Aye, someone could've mistaken the chainsword boltpistol wielding squad due to the Champion with warptalons, a squad that solely has aftermentioned talons.
That could be devastating.
...
/s.

I genuinely wonder how long this Codex took to actually write.

Are you wanting to count the time they took to train blind monkeys to use a typewriter or just the time that it took to gather up all the sheets of paper?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Well aktsuahly warp talons don't get specials Despite having specials in the box

Sorry! My bad. Thought you said Raptors, not Warp Talons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
How many special ranged weapons can a warp talon squad take?

Two. And they can both be the same weapon, unlike Legionnaire squads, despite both kits only having one of each type.

Chaosistency!!!

Yesterday I was hopeful. Today I am pleased.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Well aktsuahly warp talons don't get specials Despite having specials in the box

Sorry! My bad. Thought you said Raptors, not Warp Talons.

Still, its another failure of the NMNR, afterall it is in there, and NMNR is there for newbies (supposedly) and maybee those newbies want some specials on their Warp talons.

And NMNR is perfect, as we all know, and entirely not arbitrary, as we all know.



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Lol, looks like GW just leaked all the CSM points from the new codex in the Points update today

Well, i have to say things look a bit more promising.
Sure, loosing quite a number of options hurts ( you will be missed, chaos lord with jumppack and powerclaws. I was rooting for you till the end...).

But then that is what happens with new codexes. I will adapt my troops ( either the lord will join the lord (s) on daemonic mount in being "nice to look at" or be degraded to warptalon Champ).

Marks/Icons might actually hit a sweet spot of being usefull AND fitting. I cannot remember this to ever have been the case.
Most buffs/changes seem reasonable within the rather unreasonable 9th Ed.
Better rules for the long-ignored "old" vehicles? YES! Take that, "GW only buffs new stuff to sell more" crowd.
Internal balance might be the best ever ( people forget that even the legendary 3.5 Codex was 80% trash rules.) Will it be fun to play with/against? I shall find out.
Rather sad about the IW rules, though. While i DO love my grumpy emo marines i just do not think "you are in more danger behind cover than out in the open" is good for the game as a whole. So i actually hope we are not good enough to see much play.

BTW: do we have any news on Huron? There were some Rumour Engine Pics that could have been him but i did not read anything about him lately.

Looks like TS and DG are not getting T9 Land Raiders as the points for them went down to 245, whereas CSM is at 265. Indicates they aren't going to be FAQ'd for consistency.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Are you wanting to count the time they took to train blind monkeys to use a typewriter or just the time that it took to gather up all the sheets of paper?

They obviously already have the monkeys pre-trained, as you can see from some of the previous Codices from this edition.

Possessed can buy an Icon for 5 points in the field manual.

So... who knows what to believe.