Chaos Space Marine codex rumours and news.

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**drbored**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
drbored wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
Shakalooloo wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
Some here just want to keep hating everything about this game, the codex and the faction in general. Either find a solution or play something else. Being miserable about a hobby seems pretty counterproductive.

It's equally counterproductive to tell those people to 'get over it'. Neither side here is going to convince the other that they're 'wrong', so I can't understand why everyone persists in arguing as if they could.

Well there’s truth in that for sure. My ignore list certainly expanded from this thread, makes life much easier on here.

Good! Hopefully that'll mean you'll finally leave this thread for people that will offer actual constructive criticism and conversation rather than half-baked "solutions" that people have repeatedly told you they don't work, with appropriate reasoning.

Following up with attacks and dismissive comments after people don't take your (inadequate) advice, escalating tensions and hostility, is all on you.

If you want to "finish" a thread, here's what you have to acknowledge:

1. The Chaos Codex is not what many fans wanted.
2. Many options that people had developed in their armies were stripped out.
3. There is no "easy" solution to any of this, and it's unlikely GW will improve the situation of their own volition.
4. People butting into the thread calling the people here whiny or hostile doesn't help the situation or community at all.
5. If people want to complain, let them. Trying to take some higher ground in a realm of personal opinions does you no good.

Sometimes people just need to vent. If I say something like "I don't want to eat dog crap" and you come in with "have you tried a different flavor?" doesn't help at all.

While there are plenty of fun and cool things the new book can do, the Chaosistency of it all is maddening. Plus, I had also converted squads of Chosen: one with thunder hammers, one with plasma guns, and one with lightning claws. I can mish-mash them and call the plasma guns combi-plasmas, but there is certainly a level of frustration there. And not being able to mark Daemonkin units seems more than a little weird, especially Possessed.

That said, there's a difference between venting and the last 100+ pages of this thread. How many times does one person need to piss and moan about the same exact thing? At some point you just become a broken record, and no one wants to hear it anymore.

Usually, sensible adults simply leave. Yeah, they stop replying to the broken records. Then, when the broken records don't have an audience, they stop or go somewhere else.

It really is that simple. The 'complaining about people complaining' simply becomes the new broken record.

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Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
Pre orders up in NZ. Looks like cultist are all on a single sprue…….

Jesus, it is indeed all just one single sprue.

I also count 10 improvised weapons and 10 autopistols, as well as a single Chainsword and a single Boltpistol

They really went all out on the options huh.
I think even the bloody much-maligned new Boyz had more.

Oof. I was really hoping for at least some head swaps or something. It would have been better if they'd just reprinted the Dark Vengenace cultists for another 5 years... gdi.

Yeah, that's really underwhelming.

**stahly**

Here is my review of the new Chaos Cultists and Dark Commune: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-chaos-space-marine-cultists-dark-commune/

Hope you like monopose models, it's indeed just CCW + pistols :/

**Wha-Mu-077**

I’m guessing GW will release the Master of Possession alongside the new Possessed and the accursed cultists in a few weeks.

**Fayric**

stahly wrote:
Here is my review of the new Chaos Cultists and Dark Commune: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-chaos-space-marine-cultists-dark-commune/

Hope you like monopose models, it's indeed just CCW + pistols :/

Not good news for anyone (like me) that has loads of the old cultists. Their autoguns will most likely be an illegal option soon enough.
I suppose they can use their rifles as clubs like in the old days, though

To be fair, I cant recall any time a cultist accomplished anything by shooting their autoguns.

**Garrac**

Kinda surprised still that GW didn't publish the cultists kits in EIGHT YEARS

**Geifer**

That Cultist kit is just sad. The sculpts are nice and I'll be happy to buy it once, but I wouldn't want to use it to make a whole unit of Cultists, let alone several.

drbored wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
While there are plenty of fun and cool things the new book can do, the Chaosistency of it all is maddening. Plus, I had also converted squads of Chosen: one with thunder hammers, one with plasma guns, and one with lightning claws. I can mish-mash them and call the plasma guns combi-plasmas, but there is certainly a level of frustration there. And not being able to mark Daemonkin units seems more than a little weird, especially Possessed.

That said, there's a difference between venting and the last 100+ pages of this thread. How many times does one person need to piss and moan about the same exact thing? At some point you just become a broken record, and no one wants to hear it anymore.

Usually, sensible adults simply leave. Yeah, they stop replying to the broken records. Then, when the broken records don't have an audience, they stop or go somewhere else.

It really is that simple. The 'complaining about people complaining' simply becomes the new broken record.

To be fair, Chaos Marines got teased over half a year ago, had playtest rules leaks in between, official preview ramp up over months and even a month after the codex was released we're still not done with delays. That's plenty of time for reminders of the same issues to crop up again and again. Other armies that aren't well received don't spend so much time in the spotlight. It invites repetition because it simply won't end.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Geifer wrote:
That Cultist kit is just sad. The sculpts are nice and I'll be happy to buy it once, but I wouldn't want to use it to make a whole unit of Cultists, let alone several.

drbored wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
While there are plenty of fun and cool things the new book can do, the Chaosistency of it all is maddening. Plus, I had also converted squads of Chosen: one with thunder hammers, one with plasma guns, and one with lightning claws. I can mish-mash them and call the plasma guns combi-plasmas, but there is certainly a level of frustration there. And not being able to mark Daemonkin units seems more than a little weird, especially Possessed.

That said, there's a difference between venting and the last 100+ pages of this thread. How many times does one person need to piss and moan about the same exact thing? At some point you just become a broken record, and no one wants to hear it anymore.

Usually, sensible adults simply leave. Yeah, they stop replying to the broken records. Then, when the broken records don't have an audience, they stop or go somewhere else.

It really is that simple. The 'complaining about people complaining' simply becomes the new broken record.

To be fair, Chaos Marines got teased over half a year ago, had playtest rules leaks in between, official preview ramp up over months and even a month after the codex was released we're still not done with delays. That's plenty of time for reminders of the same issues to crop up again and again. Other armies that aren't well received don't spend so much time in the spotlight. It invites repetition because it simply won't end.

As of today, it has been 709 days since GW teased they're going to give Chaos Space Marines two wounds.

**Shakalooloo**

Geifer wrote:
That Cultist kit is just sad. The sculpts are nice and I'll be happy to buy it once, but I wouldn't want to use it to make a whole unit of Cultists, let alone several.

And that's a ridiculously small amount of plastic in the box. They should've just re-boxed this new sprue together with the BSF Abyssal cultists for a single set with at least some variety.

**GaroRobe**

I will say this. I love how easy it is to shave off the "Mindwitch" head bits and just have a creepy hood cultist with his arms out in devotion. Great looking dark acolyte or diorama mini

**Scottywan82**

stahly wrote:
Here is my review of the new Chaos Cultists and Dark Commune: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-chaos-space-marine-cultists-dark-commune/

Hope you like monopose models, it's indeed just CCW + pistols :/

Your summary is spot on. Those cultists aren't worth the money. Tbh, I don't think they're worth it for half the price. Such a lazy release.

**EviscerationPlague**

Can't wait for Dudeface or bullyboy to pop in to say you're just being a negative Nancy about the cultists LOL

**bullyboy**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Can't wait for Dudeface or bullyboy to pop in to say you're just being a negative Nancy about the cultists LOL

Nah, this is a valid concern. I have plenty of the old cultists and very happy that I don’t need more.
I am surprised on oblit price, I honestly thought GW were going to go nuts on that one. Doesn’t affect me as I converted my oblits from aggressors for my IW (but I’m assuming many here wouldn’t like them as they don’t look exactly like GW oblits!!!)

**GaroRobe**

bullyboy wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
Can't wait for Dudeface or bullyboy to pop in to say you're just being a negative Nancy about the cultists LOL

Nah, this is a valid concern. I have plenty of the old cultists and very happy that I don’t need more.
I am surprised on oblit price, I honestly thought GW were going to go nuts on that one. Doesn’t affect me as I converted my oblits from aggressors for my IW (but I’m assuming many here wouldn’t like them as they don’t look exactly like GW oblits!!!)

I mean, originally if you spent $30 more for the start collecting, you'd get 10 csm and a master of possession. Oh, also two greater possessed (which are just basic possessed now, but still).

**MonkeyBallistic**

I really like the design of the cultists, but for that price I’d expect 2 sprues and and two distinct builds for each mini.

**tneva82**

GaroRobe wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
Can't wait for Dudeface or bullyboy to pop in to say you're just being a negative Nancy about the cultists LOL

Nah, this is a valid concern. I have plenty of the old cultists and very happy that I don’t need more.
I am surprised on oblit price, I honestly thought GW were going to go nuts on that one. Doesn’t affect me as I converted my oblits from aggressors for my IW (but I’m assuming many here wouldn’t like them as they don’t look exactly like GW oblits!!!)

I mean, originally if you spent $30 more for the start collecting, you'd get 10 csm and a master of possession. Oh, also two greater possessed (which are just basic possessed now, but still).

At least you got price drop when losing models from set. Others aren't as lucky

**drbored**

Yeah 45 USD for these cultists is a scam...

GW this was not a difficult thing to do. Add a few extra heads. They could have made it a box of 20 instead of 10. There's a dozen ways they could have added value to this box but they did the absolute minimum...

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Calling it now, the Possessed will have zero customization options, be 5 models across 1 sprue that they'll charge 60 bucks for.

Anything else would be an f-ing miracle at this point.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

These are an improvement over the Dark Vengeance cultists how? We already had monopose plastic cultists. We needed new ones with a different aesthetic why exactly? At least the old ones had autoguns and the option for flamer/heavy stubber. They went through all the effort of a new kit just make it monopose again, but with less options? This is just unacceptable. Fail.

**ArcaneHorror**

Photos in the codex links did show that the Possessed do seem to have at least a few bits to create diversity between kits. How many extra bits are in there, that's the question.

**drbored**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
These are an improvement over the Dark Vengeance cultists how? We already had monopose plastic cultists. We needed new ones with a different aesthetic why exactly? At least the old ones had autoguns and the option for flamer/heavy stubber. They went through all the effort of a new kit just make it monopose again, but with less options? This is just unacceptable. Fail.

On top of that, you got these cultists with zero options, 10 models, 45 USD

Same thing for Death Guard: Poxwalkers, 10 models, no options, 35 USD

Meanwhile Genestealer Cultists, incredible range of options, heads, weapons, 50 USD

It's like GW doesn't even want you to buy these cultists.

**Marshal Loss**

Interestingly/depressingly, the first (40k) EC model GW have painted up in many many years:

drbored wrote:
Calling it now, the Possessed will have zero customization options, be 5 models across 1 sprue that they'll charge 60 bucks for.

Anything else would be an f-ing miracle at this point.

WB Possessed in the codex have a bunch of different heads & at least one arm option

**drbored**

Marshal Loss wrote:
Interestingly/depressingly, the first (40k) EC model GW have painted up in many many years:

drbored wrote:
Calling it now, the Possessed will have zero customization options, be 5 models across 1 sprue that they'll charge 60 bucks for.

Anything else would be an f-ing miracle at this point.

WB Possessed in the codex have a bunch of different heads & at least one arm option

Maybe EC Codex will have Chosen as a unit they can take as well, whenever they get their codex? Notably, the EC shoulder transfer is missing from the normal Chaos Marine transfers, but it looks like that EC icon was hand painted.

**BorderCountess**

drbored wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
Interestingly/depressingly, the first (40k) EC model GW have painted up in many many years:

drbored wrote:
Calling it now, the Possessed will have zero customization options, be 5 models across 1 sprue that they'll charge 60 bucks for.

Anything else would be an f-ing miracle at this point.

WB Possessed in the codex have a bunch of different heads & at least one arm option

Maybe EC Codex will have Chosen as a unit they can take as well, whenever they get their codex? Notably, the EC shoulder transfer is missing from the normal Chaos Marine transfers, but it looks like that EC icon was hand painted.

Legionnaire units come with transfers for Thousand Sons - stop expecting things to make sense.

**GaroRobe**

We know at least tentacle possessed has a stabby spike hand option. Same pose, just different arm

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Marshal Loss wrote:
Interestingly/depressingly, the first (40k) EC model GW have painted up in many many years:

drbored wrote:
Calling it now, the Possessed will have zero customization options, be 5 models across 1 sprue that they'll charge 60 bucks for.

Anything else would be an f-ing miracle at this point.

WB Possessed in the codex have a bunch of different heads & at least one arm option

Any chance you can post a pic?

**Scottywan82**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
These are an improvement over the Dark Vengeance cultists how? We already had monopose plastic cultists. We needed new ones with a different aesthetic why exactly? At least the old ones had autoguns and the option for flamer/heavy stubber. They went through all the effort of a new kit just make it monopose again, but with less options? This is just unacceptable. Fail.

Totally agree. It's like we are moving backwards.

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drbored wrote:

On top of that, you got these cultists with zero options, 10 models, 45 USD

Same thing for Death Guard: Poxwalkers, 10 models, no options, 35 USD

Meanwhile Genestealer Cultists, incredible range of options, heads, weapons, 50 USD

It's like GW doesn't even want you to buy these cultists.

Well they are in luck. Because I definitely won't buy any.

**Wha-Mu-077**

drbored wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
These are an improvement over the Dark Vengeance cultists how? We already had monopose plastic cultists. We needed new ones with a different aesthetic why exactly? At least the old ones had autoguns and the option for flamer/heavy stubber. They went through all the effort of a new kit just make it monopose again, but with less options? This is just unacceptable. Fail.

On top of that, you got these cultists with zero options, 10 models, 45 USD

Same thing for Death Guard: Poxwalkers, 10 models, no options, 35 USD

Meanwhile Genestealer Cultists, incredible range of options, heads, weapons, 50 USD

It's like GW doesn't even want you to buy these cultists.

Or, more probably, GW thinks they can get away with this without a noticeable dip in the sales, due to past experience

**techsoldaten**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
drbored wrote:
On top of that, you got these cultists with zero options, 10 models, 45 USD

Same thing for Death Guard: Poxwalkers, 10 models, no options, 35 USD

Meanwhile Genestealer Cultists, incredible range of options, heads, weapons, 50 USD

It's like GW doesn't even want you to buy these cultists.

Or, more probably, GW thinks they can get away with this without a noticeable dip in the sales, due to past experience

I have 160 Cultists. Upgrading them to the latest models would cost me $720.

GW is also releasing models for Chosen, Dark Commune, the Warpsmith, etc. Normally things I'd be interested in.

But the cost of those Cultists is the only thing I can think about.

**tneva82**

Unsurprisingly you aren't target. Somebody with 160 cultists isn't likely to buy more.

**A Town Called Malus**

tneva82 wrote:
Unsurprisingly you aren't target. Somebody with 160 cultists isn't likely to buy more.

They might if the new kit offered them stuff they didn't have before. Access to more or new weapons for example. And that has the bonus of giving people without 160 cultists cool things, too! So there is no downside from a player/collector perspective!

So you can have a kit which offers people choices and will sell to people who have no cultists and those who have lots, or you can have a kit with no options, not even a different weapon loadout, which will sell to a much smaller cross reference of people. I don't know about you, but one of those choices seems objectively better to me.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Maybe we're thinking about this all wrong. The fact that these are monopose and in the same style as the BSF cultists suggests that these might have started off as alternate sculpts for BSF but weren't included or released for whatever reason and got repurposed as cultists for CSM. If that's the case, then we may have come very close to not having a cultist kit at all. And we all know what happens to units with no models. So maybe we should consider ourselves lucky to have cultists at all, especially given everything else we lost.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Maybe we're thinking about this all wrong. The fact that these are monopose and in the same style as the BSF cultists suggests that these might have started off as alternate sculpts for BSF but weren't included or released for whatever reason and got repurposed as cultists for CSM. If that's the case, then we may have come very close to not having a cultist kit at all. And we all know what happens to units with no models. So maybe we should consider ourselves lucky to have cultists at all, especially given everything else we lost.

Yeah, nah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. It's more like Blackstone Fortress was a testing ground for designs for full 40k, as seen with the new Traitor Guardsmen (which aren't in the SODDING BOOK, thus meaning we could get no cultists even if we had the models) - or, for that matter, Cursed City and the Vampire update for AoS