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Quick question to the group, am I the only one that is having trouble saying Leagues of Votann, and instead say Settlers of Catan?

Dunno, I always find myself wanting to say Leagues of Wotan, which sounds even more silly when you think about it. For those not aware, Wotan is the Name for Odin in the middle European countries. That makes the codex sound like an Amon Amarth album from the 90s.

some people here already talked about that going with a transcript of Wotan in combination with the undercut hairstyle that until recently was known as Hitler-Youth Cut might not have been the best idea

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
When I think about how GW could keep bikes for Squats without revisiting the biker gang with Harleys look I think the speederbike from Solo has the right proportions:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/C-PH_patrol_speeder_bike.

As long as it's not these Star Wars bikes...

*shudder*

I mean, if we go back to the start of this discussion, it would certainly achieve the goal of giving Squats a style of bike that is not reminiscent of what the other armies have.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
Dunno, I always find myself wanting to say Leagues of Wotan, which sounds even more silly when you think about it. For those not aware, Wotan is the Name for Odin in the middle European countries. That makes the codex sound like an Amon Amarth album from the 90s.

In my opinion it's deliberate. Votann is pretty much the spelling that is likely to get people to pronounce the name as closely as a German speaker would pronounce Wotan.

 kodos wrote:
some people here already talked about that going with a transcript of Wotan in combination with the undercut hairstyle that until recently was known as Hitler-Youth Cut might not have been the best idea

Huh, hadn't made that connection with the hair. That's what GW gets for going with a stupid zoomer haircut instead of the traditional bald head or topknot!

 cuda1179 wrote:
Quick question to the group, am I the only one that is having trouble saying Leagues of Votann, and instead say Settlers of Catan?

I keep saying League of Planets and waiting for the squat lions to merge together with a giant sword.

Activating inter-thrusters .

 cuda1179 wrote:
Quick question to the group, am I the only one that is having trouble saying Leagues of Votann, and instead say Settlers of Catan?

Yes! I call them Kin and that's it.

Sometimes, when I see a new release, my initial negative reaction changes over time.

Naaah! GW’s brand of Flanderised Tolkien dwarfs but in space, with a smidge of (I’m sure unintended) white-supremacist Nordicism is (imho) the worst thing to happen to 40K in recent years.

I’ll not only not be buying them, I’ll also be desperately trying to pretend they don’t exist.

 kodos wrote:
some people here already talked about that going with a transcript of Wotan in combination with the undercut hairstyle that until recently was known as Hitler-Youth Cut might not have been the best idea

Those barmy nutcases at sigmarxism are trying to make a case for that.

They're insane most of the time... no... all the time, but man, if this ain't a major stretch, then I dunno what is.

sigmarxism is strange at best (just was there once after people mentioned it on dakka to see what it is about, found a discussion during the "boycott" with the upvoted posts being that it is still better to buy from GW because payment and working conditions at GW are the best in the market and all others are far worse, specially Mantic, and this is the only reason why all other miniatures are so much cheaper, so no I won't visit it again)

but with the current political situation here (or better said in the german speaking parts), such connections are seen more critical than before, specially with 40k being more mainstream

that GW using a name pronounced Wotan, which is used be neo-nazi and right-wing groups (german name of the God would be Wodan and pagans use Odin because it sounds to similar), by itself is not a problem, they wanted something related to dwarfs so going germanic instead of celtic and write it so that english speaker would pronounce it right while it can be trademarked

but going with the hairstyle in combination raised more than one eyebrow here

given, (GW) wargaming is still a nerd-hobby were most of the people are left-wing so such things raise attention very fast
And as I said, those people (not strange internet groups) say it was not the best idea to do it

Hang on a minute..
People have actually tried to make argument squats are somehow right wing/ nazi / white supremacy <insert buzzword for bad thing> ?

ha.. haha.. hahaha . hhhhaaaaaaaa...!!

Comedy gold.
Thank you internet.

I mean I'm annoyed there is failcrap models in production while we getting an entire new plastic model range. But that's my strugggle

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mind your assumptions, Grasshopper.


“Nids Ate Them” is not, and has never been, canon.

I am pretty sure there was some kind of mention, in either one of the 'Nid Codexes, or even the main rulebook itself - this might be going back 3-4 editions. I don't think it referred to the word 'Squat' specifically, but there was some sort of inference - perhaps someone with a better memory than I can fill in the blanks?

 Argive wrote:
People have actually tried to make argument squats are somehow right wing/ nazi / white supremacy <insert buzzword for bad thing> ?

I've mentioned the group behind this mentality already. I won't do so again because I don't want to spend anymore time thinking about those nutters than I already have, but yes, there's a whole subgroup who think Chaos are the good guys because they "fight fascists", and that Tyranids are awesome because they're just hungry and represent nature destroying "the fascists". These are the types of sad sacks who see imaginary nazis under every bed and behind every light pole - and they often sound like Thatcher-era 20-something year olds, which has a certain sting of irony about it given GW's historical origins - and they have long since forgotten how to separate fiction from reality.

That way lies madness though, and not the fun Chaotic kind. I'd run the other direction.

And we're getting so far from the reality (geddit? ) of a Squat re-release that I'll shut up about this now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're insane most of the time... no... all the time, but man, if this ain't a major stretch, then I dunno what is.

...quite a few yoga poses?

I saw a bald headed guy at Mcdiddy's the other day. Huge fan of slavic folklore, he had a kolovrat across his entire right arm. Also had HATE tattood across his neck, I assume a death metal band. And an 88 on his cheek to let us know he likes math. People can draw the craziest conclusions from these things tho.

Would be good if people shoved their sad political agendas up their own Freaking and not on a Warhammer forum.

 Pacific wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mind your assumptions, Grasshopper.


“Nids Ate Them” is not, and has never been, canon.

I am pretty sure there was some kind of mention, in either one of the 'Nid Codexes, or even the main rulebook itself - this might be going back 3-4 editions. I don't think it referred to the word 'Squat' specifically, but there was some sort of inference - perhaps someone with a better memory than I can fill in the blanks?

It was in the foreword to a re-release of Ian Watson's Inquisitor Trilogy which in and of itself is questionably canon, especially after his works got re-released again with the Black Library equivalent of Elseworlds.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I saw a bald headed guy at Mcdiddy's the other day. Huge fan of slavic folklore, he had a kolovrat across his entire right arm. Also had HATE tattood across his neck, I assume a death metal band. And an 88 on his cheek to let us know he likes math. People can draw the craziest conclusions from these things tho.

Short sides, longer on the top. Norse pantheon based. Blonde haired and blue eyed... well crap...



I think a little bit of perspective needs to be retained...

 Flinty wrote:


I think a little bit of perspective needs to be retained...

While I agree, the fact you're using Marvel's version of Thor, a character that the American white power/neo-Nazi groups have used as a symbol of Aryan/Nordic superiority for decades specifically because Marvel made him blonde haired and blue eyed, doesn't help your argument.

 Argive wrote:
Hang on a minute..
People have actually tried to make argument squats are somehow right wing/ nazi / white supremacy <insert buzzword for bad thing> ?

ha.. haha.. hahaha . hhhhaaaaaaaa...!!

Comedy gold.
Thank you internet.

I mean I'm annoyed there is failcrap models in production while we getting an entire new plastic model range. But that's my strugggle

I don’t think many people are arguing that at all. However, I think it can be argued that a fairly short period of time after GW was issuing statements about neo-Nazis not being welcome in the hobby, they’re now announcing a new faction almost guaranteed to appeal to those people.

There’s no law saying dwarfs have to be based on Nordic archetypes. I’d argue that basing a “dwarf” faction on Viking types is the laziest, most cliched route imaginable. It just also has the unfortunate, unintended byproduct of looking a bit too far right.

The problem is when you start seeing Nazis everywhere, soon you’re invading a peaceful neighboring country with a Jewish president.

Please, GW, release some new info to get this back on track.

Just a thought that occurred to me between nightmares but if Nordic imagery and problematic haircuts make things nazis, doesn't that mean the vast majority of female stormcast are nazis? I mean, they've got the undercuts, lightning bolts, take orders from a guy who loves hammers, etc. Strangely the male stormcast seem to have different ideological views as they have different haircuts.

No One Important wrote:
Just a thought that occurred to me between nightmares but if Nordic imagery and problematic haircuts make things nazis, doesn't that mean the vast majority of female stormcast are nazis? I mean, they've got the undercuts, lightning bolts, take orders from a guy who loves hammers, etc. Strangely the male stormcast seem to have different ideological views as they have different haircuts.

Clearly, GW's biggest inspiration when designing them was Rotha Lintorn-Orman. They're a British company, afterall.

Well, so far they’re looking like the Space Wolves’ clean and tidy cousins. Abnormally short cousins, a clear divergence from the human baseline, so much so they’re not viewed as being strictly human anymore, and generally known by a sneering and derogatory term to refer to their physical abnormalities.

We already know the imperium isn’t best buddies with them. Major elements of it will likely want to purge these abhumans for being an unsanctioned deviation from ‘pure’ humanity.

But that haircut eh?

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
... they’re now announcing a new faction almost guaranteed to appeal to those people.

Short sci-fi Space Dwarfs appeal to Neo-Nazis?

Well that's a new one...

No One Important wrote:
Just a thought that occurred to me between nightmares but if Nordic imagery and problematic haircuts make things nazis, doesn't that mean the vast majority of female stormcast are nazis? I mean, they've got the undercuts, lightning bolts, take orders from a guy who loves hammers, etc. Strangely the male stormcast seem to have different ideological views as they have different haircuts.

See, I know you're kidding. But there are people who would look at your post and go "By Jove he's right!" and be deadly serious about it.

Yeah, don't Neo-Nazis have a thing against "manlets"?
They want their ubermensch to be tall and buff, no?

Also, didn't Squats always have nordic themes (including lightning bolts and hammers), seeing as they are based on Warhammer Fantasy Dwarfs who had really strong nordic themes?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
... they’re now announcing a new faction almost guaranteed to appeal to those people.

Short sci-fi Space Dwarfs appeal to Neo-Nazis?

Well that's a new one...

No One Important wrote:
Just a thought that occurred to me between nightmares but if Nordic imagery and problematic haircuts make things nazis, doesn't that mean the vast majority of female stormcast are nazis? I mean, they've got the undercuts, lightning bolts, take orders from a guy who loves hammers, etc. Strangely the male stormcast seem to have different ideological views as they have different haircuts.

See, I know you're kidding. But there are people who would look at your post and go "By Jove he's right!" and be deadly serious about it.

I mean, on the other hand, GW's scale sprint made it so the Squats are as tall as Cadians, just a lot more wide and buff, so they're not exactly manlets.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
... they’re now announcing a new faction almost guaranteed to appeal to those people.

Short sci-fi Space Dwarfs appeal to Neo-Nazis?

Well that's a new one...

No One Important wrote:
Just a thought that occurred to me between nightmares but if Nordic imagery and problematic haircuts make things nazis, doesn't that mean the vast majority of female stormcast are nazis? I mean, they've got the undercuts, lightning bolts, take orders from a guy who loves hammers, etc. Strangely the male stormcast seem to have different ideological views as they have different haircuts.

See, I know you're kidding. But there are people who would look at your post and go "By Jove he's right!" and be deadly serious about it.

I mean, on the other hand, GW's scale sprint made it so the Squats are as tall as Cadians, just a lot more wide and buff, so they're not exactly manlets.

Is that even official? I didn't see that on the community website.
That doesn't even make any sense fluff wise; if they are the same height as humans, then why is Squat a derogatory word, and how come in the trailer there was that bit with the camera looking down?

No One Important wrote:
doesn't that mean the vast majority of female stormcast are nazis?

no, as the simply fact that Nazis were against woman in the military
the inclusion of those makes them communist, as those did not care if you are male or female when they needed soldiers

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
See, I know you're kidding. But there are people who would look at your post and go "By Jove he's right!" and be deadly serious about it

as you will have people who be serious when they say they play a faction simply because the background match their political views

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
... they’re now announcing a new faction almost guaranteed to appeal to those people.

Short sci-fi Space Dwarfs appeal to Neo-Nazis?

Well that's a new one...

No One Important wrote:
Just a thought that occurred to me between nightmares but if Nordic imagery and problematic haircuts make things nazis, doesn't that mean the vast majority of female stormcast are nazis? I mean, they've got the undercuts, lightning bolts, take orders from a guy who loves hammers, etc. Strangely the male stormcast seem to have different ideological views as they have different haircuts.

See, I know you're kidding. But there are people who would look at your post and go "By Jove he's right!" and be deadly serious about it.

I mean, on the other hand, GW's scale sprint made it so the Squats are as tall as Cadians, just a lot more wide and buff, so they're not exactly manlets.

Is that even official? I didn't see that on the community website.
That doesn't even make any sense fluff wise; if they are the same height as humans, then why is Squat a derogatory word, and how come in the trailer there was that bit with the camera looking down?

'Tis a fanmade scale comprasion, based on the fact they're most likely gonna be on 28.5mm bases.