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Can everyone take a chill pill please, it’s just plastic toys?

Hi, if we could all take a step back and be polite and excellent to one another, that'd be great. Also a reminder to kindly not attach any so-called "leaks" directly to your posts, off-site hosting such as imgur or photobucket is fine however.

With that out of the way, I don't suppose a price of the Chaos box has been leaked by any chance? Or will it be in the same price bracket as previous exclusive army deals? Does anybody remember how much those have cost in Euros by any chance?

Ah, who am I kidding? Chances of scoring such a boxed set are slim to nil, they'll sell out in moments anyway.

 BrookM wrote:

With that out of the way, I don't suppose a price of the Chaos box has been leaked by any chance? Or will it be in the same price bracket as previous exclusive army deals? Does anybody remember how much those have cost in Euros by any chance?

Ah, who am I kidding? Chances of scoring such a boxed set are slim to nil, they'll sell out in moments anyway.

IIRC the Black Templar set was $200 USD (so around €170), and worked out as getting the codex & cards 'free'.

All the limited edition boxed sets since last summer have had the preorder guarantee, so even if they run out of stock you still get one eventually. Since they started doing that I've noticed stock hangs around a lot longer, perhaps because scalpers aren't bothering so much anymore.

 xttz wrote:

All the limited edition boxed sets since last summer have had the preorder guarantee, so even if they run out of stock you still get one eventually. Since they started doing that I've noticed stock hangs around a lot longer, perhaps because scalpers aren't bothering so much anymore.

I think it's a mix between scalpers not bothering and GW themselves simply producing more.
It took them time to get more production going to match the sudden increase in demand, now it has, they can afford to produce enough.
They likely wouldn't make the guarantee if they thought there was a real chance of it getting called upon - small production runs are a lot more expensive than otherwise, especially for plastic injection kits for whom most of the cost is in the set up.

The expense is the mould cost itself. As it's not destroyed in the process while it certainly costs some to change it's not nearly the biggest expense. GW changes mould they print currently constantly.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
They likely wouldn't make the guarantee if they thought there was a real chance of it getting called upon - small production runs are a lot more expensive than otherwise, especially for plastic injection kits for whom most of the cost is in the set up.

tneva82 wrote:
The expense is the mould cost itself. As it's not destroyed in the process while it certainly costs some to change it's not nearly the biggest expense. GW changes mould they print currently constantly.

The models themselves are standard and all produced in-house, so any under- or over-productions can easily be handled by making more or putting them into the standalone product packaging as regular stock where they'll be sold eventually.

The big cost / risk to GW for sets like these are the custom codexes & packaging that come from external suppliers. These will come with fairly strict minimum order quantities; for example their quote might be something like 1000 boxes at £1.50 each or 500 special edition codexes at £5 each. GW can't just call up the supplier and say that they're 120 army sets short to cover pre-orders, they have to commit to the minimum order and any extra sets that aren't sold means they could lose money.

Of course I'm sure they're making enough profit that throwing away ~300 unused books isn't that big a deal to GW, but there are people thinking about this stuff when planning the initial release.

Psychic Knights - The 'Warp Storm' Discipline

The text within the article says that if you give an Abominant the Pyrothrone it can then deny the witch three times. I don't see anything in Pyrothrone that would do that, am I just missing it?

Wake up babe. New Chaos knight helmet just dropped.

Not big on this skull one, but it'll go well with the skull wardog. Especially since you can give chaos armigers some vulture friends

Powers line up with the rumors.

Hopefully the boxset finally goes on preview this Sunday. I'm ready for some more info!

So after rereading the article, I'm fairly confident that it is a small misprint. The Abominant can manifest and deny two powers per turn. At the end, they state that the Pyrothrone would let them manifest and deny three. It -would- allow the Abominant to manifest three powers, but deny 2 instead of three. Unless the Tzeench keyword does something to that calculation?

The favor for the Pyrothrone allows a reroll of a psychic test, which sounds like it could be manifesting a power, denying a power, or attempting a psychic action. That's pretty good!

The Spitestorm power seems to last the rest of the game for the tally section? I don't see anything that indicates an end, and it specifically lasts multiple phases. It would be amazing against things like Pink Horrors, Nurgle zombies, or Necron Warriors.

Edit: My bad on Spitestorm. "Until the start of your next psychic phase"

IK's and Chaos Knights added back to the Q2 Balance Dataslate.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/zNYDiBPKGflEhGZp.pdf

Good catch Oni, and hurray!

I'm annoyed that I want this chaos knight box so badly. The volkite and scourge and wardog weapons look so epic, and I love the legs on the chaos knights so damn much. I had hoped to avoid buying anything until the new HH box releases. . .

Eh I still might skip it. Still got unpainted backlog. Gotta stay disciplined! XD

I just want the standard codex, but I assume this box is going to delay that by 6 weeks if the orks release is anything to go by.

 dreadblade wrote:
I just want the standard codex, but I assume this box is going to delay that by 6 weeks if the orks release is anything to go by.

Didn't the black templars debut much quicker than that?

I'm curious as to what the delay between the box set and the standard codex will mean for Imperial Knights. I strongly suspect that the IK codex will be released with the standard Chaos codex, leaving a gap between the two factions between the box release and the codex release.

That said, I've got my knights painted so I can run them as either faction as needed, and Chaos looks fun. Hail Be'lakor?

Ugh... hard not to be salty..

bmsattler wrote:
I'm curious as to what the delay between the box set and the standard codex will mean for Imperial Knights. I strongly suspect that the IK codex will be released with the standard Chaos codex, leaving a gap between the two factions between the box release and the codex release.

That said, I've got my knights painted so I can run them as either faction as needed, and Chaos looks fun. Hail Be'lakor?

I'm guessing about a month. It depends if they are going to try to push CSM out before or after HH.

Still not sold on the psyker stuff being(mostly) locked into a mundane weapon loadout. Nothing about a big Volkite and a tentacle arm screams psyker to me.

I also think abominant is so bad.

Hes not good at melee with 3 attacks, hes not good at shooting with 6 gak shoots and he dont do real dmaage with psychic powers.

If you cast the 5+++ on him in competitive matches he will be ignored for sure, and the 6+++ on wardogs is hard to cast.

I think he's not worth building a list arround him with favours, traits and relics. Better to look for a nother CK. Anyways, I wait for more info

The mechadendrite arm will almost certainly have a sweep attack profile, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like 4-5 hit rolls per attack. You can improve its WS and attacks by trading in your psycker stuff for Khorne. Plus, other close combat weapons have guns attached to them like the Hekaton Siege Claw on the Styrix/Magaera. There is a tail, which may have its own attack profile.
Lastly, it can apparently take the pterrorshades as a weapon profile, though we don't know what they will do.

I'm not very excited about the rumored profile for the Volkite (thanks for your work there Satori!) but I'm willing to wait and see what else it brings to the table.

Kebabcito wrote:
I also think abominant is so bad.

Hes not good at melee with 3 attacks, hes not good at shooting with 6 gak shoots and he dont do real dmaage with psychic powers.

If you cast the 5+++ on him in competitive matches he will be ignored for sure, and the 6+++ on wardogs is hard to cast.

I think he's not worth building a list arround him with favours, traits and relics. Better to look for a nother CK. Anyways, I wait for more info

Tentacle Profile arm is X3, Strength 8, AP -2 3D flat.

So it's not a terrible profile, but it doesn't have a strike option.

It does still have the Pterror birds, and a Cast 2/Deny 2 with that FNP power can go a long way. Maybe giving it a good blessing can make having it stick around is good.

 Sasori wrote:
Confirmation that the Tally is wounds per kill, rather than just models:

I like that, good way to split the difference.

 Sasori wrote:

Kebabcito wrote:
I also think abominant is so bad.

Hes not good at melee with 3 attacks, hes not good at shooting with 6 gak shoots and he dont do real dmaage with psychic powers.

If you cast the 5+++ on him in competitive matches he will be ignored for sure, and the 6+++ on wardogs is hard to cast.

I think he's not worth building a list arround him with favours, traits and relics. Better to look for a nother CK. Anyways, I wait for more info

Tentacle Profile arm is X3, Strength 8, AP -2 3D flat.

So it's not a terrible profile, but it doesn't have a strike option.

It does still have the Pterror birds, and a Cast 2/Deny 2 with that FNP power can go a long way. Maybe giving it a good blessing can make having it stick around is good.

You don't need a sweep option when you effectively have 9 attacks (full wounds of course if its attacks degrade

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Kebabcito wrote:
I also think abominant is so bad.

Hes not good at melee with 3 attacks, hes not good at shooting with 6 gak shoots and he dont do real dmaage with psychic powers.

If you cast the 5+++ on him in competitive matches he will be ignored for sure, and the 6+++ on wardogs is hard to cast.

I think he's not worth building a list arround him with favours, traits and relics. Better to look for a nother CK. Anyways, I wait for more info

Tentacle Profile arm is X3, Strength 8, AP -2 3D flat.

So it's not a terrible profile, but it doesn't have a strike option.

It does still have the Pterror birds, and a Cast 2/Deny 2 with that FNP power can go a long way. Maybe giving it a good blessing can make having it stick around is good.

You don't need a sweep option when you effectively have 9 attacks (full wounds of course if its attacks degrade

It doesn't have a Strike option, it's always pretty much a sweep.

 Sasori wrote:

Kebabcito wrote:
I also think abominant is so bad.

Hes not good at melee with 3 attacks, hes not good at shooting with 6 gak shoots and he dont do real dmaage with psychic powers.

If you cast the 5+++ on him in competitive matches he will be ignored for sure, and the 6+++ on wardogs is hard to cast.

I think he's not worth building a list arround him with favours, traits and relics. Better to look for a nother CK. Anyways, I wait for more info

Tentacle Profile arm is X3, Strength 8, AP -2 3D flat.

So it's not a terrible profile, but it doesn't have a strike option.

It does still have the Pterror birds, and a Cast 2/Deny 2 with that FNP power can go a long way. Maybe giving it a good blessing can make having it stick around is good.

Do we have confirmation on what the birbs do yet?

The only thing I've seen is that it's a large volume of fire in a short range. No real credibility on this, and it's not from the normal sources for this stuff.

I suspect its tail will be like a tyranids tail. It will make so many bonus attacks after its regular ones.

Sasori, I could see them making it similar to the Yncarne where it's a flamer that attacks everything within range. I could also see them making it some 'every model within 3'' takes a wound on a 6+'