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Seems like a copypasta codex with some minor tweaks to the older stuff. Then a ton of focus on the new Dread abilities. Sprinkle in marks of chaos with some meaningful abilities but cost points.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.
Any questions?
Exactly how much of the "extra" stuff that Knights get above and beyond other LoWs because they have their own codex do Knights in SHADs get? Y'know: stratagems, Warlord traits, relics, Marks, etc. And what exactly is a "Dread test"? I'm guessing a leadership test?
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.
Any questions?
Exactly how much of the "extra" stuff that Knights get above and beyond other LoWs because they have their own codex do Knights in SHADs get? Y'know: stratagems, Warlord traits, relics, Marks, etc. And what exactly is a "Dread test"? I'm guessing a leadership test?
They get all that, along with their Household/Dreadblade abilities and all their Detachment abilities (their rules specifically say they benefit from their detachment abilities in Aux detachments even though they normally wouldn't).
The only thing to note is that Dreadblades don't get the Infernal/Iconoclast Ambition unless you take a specific Fell Bond (the custom Household/Dreadblade abilities), so if you want a Knight and also don't want to lose your main faction's mono-faction bonus you are down 1 ability to a non-Dreadblade Knight
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.
Any questions?
Exactly how much of the "extra" stuff that Knights get above and beyond other LoWs because they have their own codex do Knights in SHADs get? Y'know: stratagems, Warlord traits, relics, Marks, etc. And what exactly is a "Dread test"? I'm guessing a leadership test?
They get all that, along with their Household/Dreadblade abilities and all their Detachment abilities (their rules specifically say they benefit from their detachment abilities in Aux detachments even though they normally wouldn't).
The only thing to note is that Dreadblades don't get the Infernal/Iconoclast Ambition unless you take a specific Fell Bond (the custom Household/Dreadblade abilities), so if you want a Knight and also don't want to lose your main faction's mono-faction bonus you are down 1 ability to a non-Dreadblade Knight
So, a Knight taken in a SHAD in a CSM army gets all of that, and the 12 actual HERETIC ASTARTES LoWsdon't even get Legion traits. Yup, that's some fine internal balance there gw.
Oh actually I just noticed the lack of any stratagems to make a Knight into a character and take extra warlord traits/relics in the leaks. So for now at least it looks like a SHAD Knight would only have access to a Warlord Trait and Relic if you're playing a Combat Patrol game (and thus can't take any allies).
They still get a lot of stuff though
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Manfred von Drakken wrote: Thanks for nerfing my Rampager, GW. It's not like she ever lived long enough to really tear through things in melee.
Rampager got one of the biggest glow-ups in my opinion. It's got a seriously beefy profile, and there are several Favors that worth taking to make it more durable or more killy.
Several good WLTs to pair with it too.
I'll also add that I think Herpatrex, Khomentis and Korvax are going to be the go-to houses. If you want to go Iconoclast, Herpatrex feels like the best one. The Inbuilt Durability you get across the army is nice, and the rest of the kit isn't bad at all. Lucaris and Kymere are just not good in my opinion.
I'm still thinking just max Wardogs will probably be the most comp list, but I really think there is some play with 2 Big knights and 7 Little.
The Desecrator being WS 2 made it rise up in my opinion of it.
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I was happy to see you can go double gatling on a War Dog.
One big question now is whether the Forge World knights will be eratted to have the Abhorent keyword. As it stands, at least they can get Warlord Traits and Relics now. Tactical Tortoise has a video with the missing content, and the stratagems are simply 'Chaos Knight model.'
Some of the options that give more choices off of the Dread/Doom/Darkness chart are looking pretty spicy. It feels like there is a lot of play there that can really increase the durability of the army.
You can take a Rampager to something like 40 (situational) sweep attacks with exploding 6s with the right combo of relics, warlord traits, etc. I think it might be better to go with a couple fewer attacks and go Infernal though. Access to more movement and the Bind the Souls of the Departed strat are worth considering.
The loss of the actual RAMPAGE ability that generated extra hits. You know, the thing that made the Rampager stand out?
Also, a melee-only Despoiler is completely pointless.
I mean, get that buffing War Dogs helps, but it feels like yet another over-correction on GW's part. They also don't appear to have done much to deal with the army's major deficiencies: getting screwed over by terrain (outside of one House-specific stratagem) and surviving in a meta that still measures itself in how quickly you can kill Knights.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.
Any questions?
Exactly how much of the "extra" stuff that Knights get above and beyond other LoWs because they have their own codex do Knights in SHADs get? Y'know: stratagems, Warlord traits, relics, Marks, etc. And what exactly is a "Dread test"? I'm guessing a leadership test?
They get all that, along with their Household/Dreadblade abilities and all their Detachment abilities (their rules specifically say they benefit from their detachment abilities in Aux detachments even though they normally wouldn't).
The only thing to note is that Dreadblades don't get the Infernal/Iconoclast Ambition unless you take a specific Fell Bond (the custom Household/Dreadblade abilities), so if you want a Knight and also don't want to lose your main faction's mono-faction bonus you are down 1 ability to a non-Dreadblade Knight
So, a Knight taken in a SHAD in a CSM army gets all of that, and the 12 actual HERETIC ASTARTES LoWsdon't even get Legion traits. Yup, that's some fine internal balance there gw.
That's external balance technically between 2 books, but it's the same for literally every faction that can get a knight now.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.
Any questions?
Exactly how much of the "extra" stuff that Knights get above and beyond other LoWs because they have their own codex do Knights in SHADs get? Y'know: stratagems, Warlord traits, relics, Marks, etc. And what exactly is a "Dread test"? I'm guessing a leadership test?
They get all that, along with their Household/Dreadblade abilities and all their Detachment abilities (their rules specifically say they benefit from their detachment abilities in Aux detachments even though they normally wouldn't).
The only thing to note is that Dreadblades don't get the Infernal/Iconoclast Ambition unless you take a specific Fell Bond (the custom Household/Dreadblade abilities), so if you want a Knight and also don't want to lose your main faction's mono-faction bonus you are down 1 ability to a non-Dreadblade Knight
So, a Knight taken in a SHAD in a CSM army gets all of that, and the 12 actual HERETIC ASTARTES LoWsdon't even get Legion traits. Yup, that's some fine internal balance there gw.
That's external balance technically between 2 books, but it's the same for literally every faction that can get a knight now.
I have to imagine that once the CSM book drops, HERETIC ASTARTES Lords of War will get their Legion traits, just like their corpse-worshipping counterparts.
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bmsattler wrote: I was happy to see you can go double gatling on a War Dog.
Except that you can't. Neither the Brigand or the Stalker have the option to swap for a second one.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.
Any questions?
Exactly how much of the "extra" stuff that Knights get above and beyond other LoWs because they have their own codex do Knights in SHADs get? Y'know: stratagems, Warlord traits, relics, Marks, etc. And what exactly is a "Dread test"? I'm guessing a leadership test?
They get all that, along with their Household/Dreadblade abilities and all their Detachment abilities (their rules specifically say they benefit from their detachment abilities in Aux detachments even though they normally wouldn't).
The only thing to note is that Dreadblades don't get the Infernal/Iconoclast Ambition unless you take a specific Fell Bond (the custom Household/Dreadblade abilities), so if you want a Knight and also don't want to lose your main faction's mono-faction bonus you are down 1 ability to a non-Dreadblade Knight
So, a Knight taken in a SHAD in a CSM army gets all of that, and the 12 actual HERETIC ASTARTES LoWsdon't even get Legion traits. Yup, that's some fine internal balance there gw.
That's external balance technically between 2 books, but it's the same for literally every faction that can get a knight now.
I'm not going to argue semantics. Call it internal or external, it doesn't matter. The gist is that any Chaos/Imperial faction can take a Knight without losing their purity bonus and the Knight gets considerable support from its own codex, including its own detachment abilities, which no other LoW gets in a SHAD, and that isn't balanced. Factions should be pushed towards taking their own LoWs, not those from other codexes.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.
Any questions?
Exactly how much of the "extra" stuff that Knights get above and beyond other LoWs because they have their own codex do Knights in SHADs get? Y'know: stratagems, Warlord traits, relics, Marks, etc. And what exactly is a "Dread test"? I'm guessing a leadership test?
They get all that, along with their Household/Dreadblade abilities and all their Detachment abilities (their rules specifically say they benefit from their detachment abilities in Aux detachments even though they normally wouldn't).
The only thing to note is that Dreadblades don't get the Infernal/Iconoclast Ambition unless you take a specific Fell Bond (the custom Household/Dreadblade abilities), so if you want a Knight and also don't want to lose your main faction's mono-faction bonus you are down 1 ability to a non-Dreadblade Knight
So, a Knight taken in a SHAD in a CSM army gets all of that, and the 12 actual HERETIC ASTARTES LoWsdon't even get Legion traits. Yup, that's some fine internal balance there gw.
That's external balance technically between 2 books, but it's the same for literally every faction that can get a knight now.
I have to imagine that once the CSM book drops, HERETIC ASTARTES Lords of War will get their Legion traits, just like their corpse-worshipping counterparts.
They already do: none, nada, zilch. LoWs in SHADs don't get faction abilities, except Knights, apparently.
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Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Gadzilla666 wrote: They already do: none, nada, zilch. LoWs in SHADs don't get faction abilities, except Knights, apparently.
Huh. I haven't tried to use any yet, so I guess I missed that one. That's... stupid.
The knights are forced to take one of the custom house traits and unless they pick a specific one don't get Iconoclast or infernal buffs, they don't get the dread auras and won't be a character with a relic/trait it seems. That's 3cp, an in-faction LoW such as when I use my Kytan with my red corsairs, doesn't get the advance and charge legion trait but costs me 1cp and most importantly gets access to daemonforge. You'll have a hard time convincing someone a daemonforge lord of skulls etc. Is flat out worse than the knight with half their abilities missing and costing 3cp rather than 1.
Gadzilla666 wrote: They already do: none, nada, zilch. LoWs in SHADs don't get faction abilities, except Knights, apparently.
Huh. I haven't tried to use any yet, so I guess I missed that one. That's... stupid.
The knights are forced to take one of the custom house traits and unless they pick a specific one don't get Iconoclast or infernal buffs, they don't get the dread auras and won't be a character with a relic/trait it seems. That's 3cp, an in-faction LoW such as when I use my Kytan with my red corsairs, doesn't get the advance and charge legion trait but costs me 1cp and most importantly gets access to daemonforge. You'll have a hard time convincing someone a daemonforge lord of skulls etc. Is flat out worse than the knight with half their abilities missing and costing 3cp rather than 1.
Why 1CP ? You still need to pay 3CP to be able the field a Kytan.
Next week for pre order on the set it is then, no made to order guarantee though. This is a "whilst stocks last" set. But codex and models to follow a few weeks later, so no real reason for a FOMO driven purchase.
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BrookM wrote: Here's hoping that the Dominus and Armiger repacks are not bumped up in price yet again due to added content.
They each have a sprue added, of course they're going up in price.
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