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Those cóndores on the abominant are looking good.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So... how many army mechanics do knights have?

All of them.

See I know it seemed rhetorical but I really have lost track at this point.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So... how many army mechanics do knights have?

All of them.

See I know it seemed rhetorical but I really have lost track at this point.

Let's see:

- Purity doctrine: Dread knight stuff with the Doom, Darkness and Despair you choose at the beginning of your turn.
- Dread blades.
- Favour of the dark gods you can purchase with points/PL and that evolve with wound kills.
- New Psychic doctrine
- Marks of chaos (rumoured)
- House bonds

Did I forget any ?

Iconoclast vs Infernal

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Let's see:

- Purity doctrine: Dread knight stuff with the Doom, Darkness and Despair you choose at the beginning of your turn.
- Dread blades.
- Favour of the dark gods you can purchase with points/PL and that evolve with wound kills.
- New Psychic doctrine
- Marks of chaos (rumoured)
- House bonds

Did I forget any ?

The birds on top are Chaos partridges I believe, so there must be an evil pear tree around here somewhere...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Deepstrike a knight, eh? Interesting.

Stealing a page from the Skathach Wraithknight. I'm sure Eldar players will be thrilled.

It'll make a nice change for it not to be an Imperial force that people are blaming for "stealing" mechanics...

So every Imperium and Chaos faction can now use a Knight.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/28/need-something-smashed-bring-knightly-allies-to-the-party-without-breaking-army-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40%2C000&utm_content=modelreveal-&fbclid=IwAR128k7IEItgMhEXAngnxoTNKPCCclRXHDbfrfCDck0VSa1z5SbUpReKP6o

 Eldarsif wrote:
So every Imperium and Chaos faction can now use a Knight.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/28/need-something-smashed-bring-knightly-allies-to-the-party-without-breaking-army-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40%2C000&utm_content=modelreveal-&fbclid=IwAR128k7IEItgMhEXAngnxoTNKPCCclRXHDbfrfCDck0VSa1z5SbUpReKP6o

I like that it is Freeblade, which mechanically and fluff makes a lot of sense

Well of course they can.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well of course they can.

Yeah, question is: Do they get to bring along all of their strategems, relics, Warlord traits, etc along with them? And thus render all of the various faction specific LoWs irrelevant in the process?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well of course they can.

Yeah, question is: Do they get to bring along all of their strategems, relics, Warlord traits, etc along with them? And thus render all of the various faction specific LoWs irrelevant in the process?

They will, but Agent of Chaos players will need to pay a +1CP tax for each strat. Loyalists, of course, will suffer no such penalty.

I genuinely didn't realize that Super Heavy Aux detachments kept ObSec on the War Dogs.

bmsattler wrote:
I genuinely didn't realize that Super Heavy Aux detachments kept ObSec on the War Dogs.

They don't normally. I think I saw somewhere there will be an exception in the codex for it.

So someone correct me if I am missing something, but what rules does the knight get in a Freeblade Agent of Chaos. I know if I take the new one with my TS army, my TS army will get to operate as normal. However, it seems unclear what the Freeblade will get. I assume it won't get its army wide rules (I think that is the dread stuff) but can we take the upgrades etc. or use the knight strats? It seems unclear and I did not see any rumors about it. If no strats or upgrades with the CP tax not really a great choice (I am still buying the new big one cause the model looks so freaking cool).

 xeen wrote:
So someone correct me if I am missing something, but what rules does the knight get in a Freeblade Agent of Chaos. I know if I take the new one with my TS army, my TS army will get to operate as normal. However, it seems unclear what the Freeblade will get. I assume it won't get its army wide rules (I think that is the dread stuff) but can we take the upgrades etc. or use the knight strats? It seems unclear and I did not see any rumors about it. If no strats or upgrades with the CP tax not really a great choice (I am still buying the new big one cause the model looks so freaking cool).

It'll unlock strats, which there will likely be a strat to get a relic etc. But I don't think households will apply, nor will the new doom mechanic from the other day as a guess.

The main benefit is that it will not remove 'pure army' benefits from the army you are adding the Knight to. You could add a Castellan to your Grey Knights army and still get Tides or to Space Marines and keep Armor of Contempt and Doctrines.

Freeblade/Dreadblade gives up all House bonuses including stratagems, warlord traits, and relics specific to the house. They will keep their access to basic codex versions of those. They will also get access to Freeblade traits instead of the house trait.

Huh.

I like that a lot, particularly for a daemons list, where units with firepower would make a huge difference.

Particularly with monogod armies, which tend to be a little... one-note.

Nice that it also confirms you can take 3 armigers/wardogs with this. With them keeping objsec as well. Could see this filling out some gaps in certain armies. I know my night lords would appreciate having some durable long-ranged firepower, and helverins might just be that.

So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.

Any questions?

What do the Abominant's birds do, and does it have anything in the way of arm weapon swaps or carapace guns to replace the birds?

Also, what are the wardogs like for weapon options? Free for all, set combinations of weapons or jigsaw tetris?

Voss wrote:
What do the Abominant's birds do, and does it have anything in the way of arm weapon swaps or carapace guns to replace the birds?

Also, what are the wardogs like for weapon options? Free for all, set combinations of weapons or jigsaw tetris?

The birds don't do anything on their own, although there's several pretty decent stratagems that key off of them (and a relic, IIRC). On the other hand, the Abominant's melee isn't as bad as previously feared, as it also gets another d3 swings from its tail, and the tentacle attacks are on par with the claw's sweep profile.

The War Dogs are pretty static on weapon options, although we're missing two data sheets still (the Executioner and the Stalker).

Yeah the birds grant the "Pterrorshades" Keyword. One Strat is the "Ravenous Pterrorshades" which just causes up to 6 MW via a Dread test.

Ug, crap like that is what makes stratagems such a drag. If it is keyed to a specific unit or equipment option it shouldn't be a fething stratagem.

Completely agree. Just like with Smoke Launchers, if you bring more than one they'll have to play rock paper scissors among themselves to see who gets to use their equipment that turn.

Maybe a strange question but:
Any changes to the PL of the units that we already had tha you can identify?

Sooo... Remind me how good we are with leaks here ? Because I found them too and I'd like to share with the class but...

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Sooo... Remind me how good we are with leaks here ? Because I found them too and I'd like to share with the class but...

As long as it doesn't name/shame a leaker and isn't against their will, that's fine, likewise basically ripping the entire book in images into here is bad.

 Fwlshadowalker wrote:
Maybe a strange question but:
Any changes to the PL of the units that we already had tha you can identify?

Of the ones we have:

Knight Tyrant - 31 PL (31? Weird number...)
Knight Desecrator - 20 PL
Knight Rampager - 20 PL
Knight Despoiler - 24 PL
Knight Abominant - 22 PL
War Dog Huntsman - 8 PL
War Dog Karnivore - 8 PL
War Dog Brigand - 8 PL

Dudeface wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Sooo... Remind me how good we are with leaks here ? Because I found them too and I'd like to share with the class but...

As long as it doesn't name/shame a leaker and isn't against their will, that's fine, likewise basically ripping the entire book in images into here is bad.

Thanks ! Then I'll drop a link to an Imgur gallery directly. If it's overboard the MODs 'll take it down.

Here goes !

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... I'm kinda looking at the Chaos Knight Codex right now, and I imagine if I'm looking at it, it won't be long until many others (here and elsewhere) are also looking at it.

Any questions?

I hope it's a digital codex. I thought NZ, Aus, and JP were the redheaded stepchildren that had to wait for their stuff. It would piss me off a lot if it's just JP. Paying extra to get releases later is not my cup of tea.

M.