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bmsattler wrote:Trying to get the thread back on track, they put out a Warcom article today and holy crap are Imperial Knights looking better!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/26/unlock-unparalleled-power-with-bondsman-abilities-and-exalted-court-upgrades/

-1 Damage to Armigers from a command-phase buff on top of options like +1 BS or +1 toughness. They are pushing combined arms -hard- and I can't say I disapprove!

Each class of big Knight also grants a different buff, which can open the list-building phase to a lot more options than spamming Magaeras'. This reminds me of the Tyranids and their unit-based upgrades. I think its an awesome idea. I'm really excited with this reveal!

Edit: Also, the first line is "The new Codex Imperial Knights will be available for preorder very soon." I was expecting it to be a full month out, but based on the quantity of Warcom articles on Knights it may be closer to early May than late May/early June. I understand 'very soon' is subjective and I could be wrong.

Edit 2: They specify that the Preceptor has its own knightly teaching, so it may not stack with the +1 BS that a Crusader can grant.

I don't think I'm a huge fan of these mechanics honestly. It makes you so much more dependent on Big knights, and paints an even bigger target priority on their back.

Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Valrak said May 7th for the book.

May 7th is a Sunday.

It might be that is when the preorder preview is or something, I guess?

May 7th is a Saturday. If it goes up for Preview this Sunday, it'll be out for Preorder on Saturday, May 7th.

Wording of Valrak's bit, either way, is that the book will be out on May 7th.

That's not happening. My bad on the May 7th thing. I swapped the days since May 8th is Mother's Day and I always celebrate it on Saturdays!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Wording of Valrak's bit, either way, is that the book will be out on May 7th.

That's not happening. My bad on the May 7th thing. I swapped the days since May 8th is Mother's Day and I always celebrate it on Saturdays!

Any reason you don't think it could be out on the 7th?

It being out on the 7th would require it to be up for preorder this Saturday.

I could see it being preorders though. Interestingly that is also the Horus Heresy Open Day to finish out Warhammer Fest.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It being out on the 7th would require it to be up for preorder this Saturday.

I could see it being preorders though. Interestingly that is also the Horus Heresy Open Day to finish out Warhammer Fest.

I think it likely means pre-orders I agree, sorry I think there's inconsistent language used there all round.

GW has on multiple occasions done surprise pre-orders that weren't announced on the preceding sunday, but usually its for LotR, specialist, or hobby/terrain type products rather than 40k/AoS books and kits. I don't see it releasing on the 7th but going up for preorder is certainly possible.

from what ive seen the majority of players will still never take a knight aux simply because of "mathhammer" but theyre looking really fun for casual and LGS games. i plan to buy 1 of everything (2 of each arminger) and just run different lists. sadly ill probably get the same problem i got with ad mech and stuff will get nerfed into the ground because of tournament players using every decent build until they fall below another unit thatll take their place, leaving knights probably lower tier again.

Preorder this week, worry so much.

I'm more worried about the power of the codex. Loyal IK can make a T8 -1D armiger AOE and we have an abominant with 6 volkite shots.

It seems bad, let's see

Hopefully meaningful leaks start dropping soon, we knew most of everything in the eldar, Tyranids, etc dexes at this time in the release cycle.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Hopefully meaningful leaks start dropping soon, we knew most of everything in the eldar, Tyranids, etc dexes at this time in the release cycle.

Word from the leaker is they're laying low because GW is on the crackdown prowl ATM.

I suspect that the Tyranid codex being on youtube weeks ahead of the preorder date was not welcomed.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/27/how-chaos-knights-sow-doom-darkness-and-despair-in-their-upcoming-codex/

Auras of dread, lines up with the rumors.

It's unclear to me whether you are choosing from a list of abilities from the three categories, or if they advance in a set progression.

-1 to hit is good, and so is taking away ObSec. The rest is kinda meh to me, but of course these penalties might also stack with Iconoclast abilities and all kinds of other options. -3 to -5 leadership and more models running away may help vs. hordes in particular, allowing Chaos Knights to go more anti elite and use leadership to clear hordes.

bmsattler wrote:
It's unclear to me whether you are choosing from a list of abilities from the three categories, or if they advance in a set progression.

-1 to hit is good, and so is taking away ObSec. The rest is kinda meh to me, but of course these penalties might also stack with Iconoclast abilities and all kinds of other options. -3 to -5 leadership and more models running away may help vs. hordes in particular, allowing Chaos Knights to go more anti elite and use leadership to clear hordes.

You're locked into Doom T1 and T5, but other than that you switch between the charts as in the article.

Example Doom T1, then move to Darkness T2. Then you can stay in darkness or move back to Doom. etc etc.

These all stack, so while indivudally they are not super strong, when they start stacking it can be pretty strong. 12' aura for these is also huge.

Full Chart leak of course:

Attrition bonuses at round 1 at 12" is super bad.

-1 hit at round 3 (NOT 2!!) is... fine, if you have models left.

Leaks about favours are VERY GOOD

Man, that chart really helps clear things up. Thanks for posting that!

They mention that Korvax will like the Darkness abilities in a foot note. This could be flavor text, but what do people think about the possibility that certain Houses will favor certain tracks and get some small benefit for choosing it? Kind of like how Necron Dynasties favor a particular Protocol.

Kool-Aid man through terrain

Man, I've been asking for that as a stratagem forever. It's really good to see it, though I wish it wasn't locked to one House.

Bond seems kind of bad. If it wasn't once per battle it would be much better. Relic looks kinda good though. You can choose when to activate it instead of being a 'first failed' thing.

Kebabcito wrote:
Leaks about favours are VERY GOOD

Not sure if they were posted in full, but here they are for posterity:

Some of these would look really good on a throw-forward War Dog.

So... how many army mechanics do knights have?

There are tons of posibilities:



There are a 60p favour left, it may be the 6+++ --> 5+++ of the leaks.

I may go a crazy abhorrent with defensive favours and stuff with 2 or 3 warglavies looking for harrass and pushing a line, trying to make my rival focus the aborrent (5+++, no rerrolls, korvax relic saving damage, and stuff). Then I supose i'll try to find the way to play a tyrant or a despoiler with 2xRFBC in deployment zone in my objective.

I wonder how many of these buffs will be available to Knights taken as a soup option in SHADs. Obviously Harbingers of Dread is for "Knights only" armies, but how much of the other stuff can they have in mixed armies?

Kebabcito wrote:
There are tons of posibilities:



There are a 60p favour left, it may be the 6+++ --> 5+++ of the leaks.

I may go a crazy abhorrent with defensive favours and stuff with 2 or 3 warglavies looking for harrass and pushing a line, trying to make my rival focus the aborrent (5+++, no rerrolls, korvax relic saving damage, and stuff). Then I supose i'll try to find the way to play a tyrant or a despoiler with 2xRFBC in deployment zone in my objective.

Yep, the last two confirmed. the Mark is 6+++, 5+++ when favored. The other is deepstrike, favored is pick up and deepstrike again.


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bmsattler wrote:
Man, I've been asking for that as a stratagem forever. It's really good to see it, though I wish it wasn't locked to one House.

Bond seems kind of bad. If it wasn't once per battle it would be much better. Relic looks kinda good though. You can choose when to activate it instead of being a 'first failed' thing.

Bond is a little bit on the weaker side, but gives you a lot more flexibility in the dread chart.

It had to be a bit on the weaker side, because the stratagem and relic are incredible. It would have been the auto-take house otherwise.

I'm looking at some uses for the Marks.

A Valiant-Tyrant that can deep strike gets past its primary weakness of short-range weapons. If it's favored ability is an immediate deep strike similar to Gate of Infinity then its even better, as it would allow a hit-and-run style attack. The Warp-Born Stalker would also go well on a War Dog, allowing it to threaten a backfield objective much quicker than normal. Lastly, this ability plays into the Chaos Knight secondary that wants to get kills from within the enemy's deployment zone.

The Aura of Corruption for -1 Strength then -1 Toughness would be nice for a fast War Dog that you throw forward to make your other guns more effective. Str 6 gatling or lightning locks would wound marines on 2+, and Toughness 2 Sisters or Eldar would be wounded on 2s even by heavy stubbers.

Collar of Infernal Brass would also be good for a Knight or War Dog that you push forward into the enemy. It's cheap and would be an awesome smite shield.

Mirror of Fates is cheap and gives both CP regen and a free 6 on hit/wound/save per round. I would absolutely save this for a save. It might even be after a die is rolled, which would allow you to check your 5+ invlun against Broadsides or something then just ignore one failed roll.

Do we know if we still get endless torment?

I've only seen leaks for House Korvax. I'm hoping that they revise some of the custom household traits to be less niche.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So... how many army mechanics do knights have?

All of them.

Deepstrike a knight, eh? Interesting.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Deepstrike a knight, eh? Interesting.

Stealing a page from the Skathach Wraithknight. I'm sure Eldar players will be thrilled.