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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rules entirely aside? I’m just stoked my resin hating arse can now get involved in Heresy properly.

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BrianDavion wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rules entirely aside? I’m just stoked my resin hating arse can now get involved in Heresy properly.

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Personally I don't hate resin - what I hate is Forge World's resin. Low quality, poorly put together crap which is sold at an obscene premium.

 blood reaper wrote:


Personally I don't hate resin - what I hate is Forge World's resin. Low quality, poorly put together crap which is sold at an obscene premium.

Definitely agree with you regarding the price. Adeptus Titanicus went down the plug hole when they had the audacity to charge £30+ for three tiny armigers.

At that point they might as well add an stl service to Warhammer+ and let players print their own.

SamusDrake wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:


Personally I don't hate resin - what I hate is Forge World's resin. Low quality, poorly put together crap which is sold at an obscene premium.

Definitely agree with you regarding the price. Adeptus Titanicus went down the plug hole when they had the audacity to charge £30+ for three tiny armigers.

At that point they might as well add an stl service to Warhammer+ and let players print their own.

I will say that not all FW stuff I've received has been of poor quality - but god, the mould seams on Alpharius (a nearly £100 figure which is presented as a premium product) - that was ridiculous.

Price doesn’t bother me. I can either afford something and see the value in it, or I can’t.

But I hate working with resin. Any resin. It’s fiddly. Superglue prefers my fingers, hands and even face.

Give me plastic any day of the week. Infinitely easier and more satisfying to work with. I don’t need specialist tools. I don’t need special glue. I don’t need to stub it in warm soapy water. I never find an undercoat peeling off because apparently I didn’t scrub it well enough. If I drop a model (accidents do happen), plastic tends to bounce. Certainly not shatter awkwardly.

And with more intricate kit possibilities, I just find plastic more satisfying to build with.

 blood reaper wrote:


I will say that not all FW stuff I've received has been of poor quality - but god, the mould seams on Alpharius (a nearly £100 figure which is presented as a premium product) - that was ridiculous.

This makes me glad that I never ventured into Forgeworld products. Dodged the bullet on that one.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Price doesn’t bother me. I can either afford something and see the value in it, or I can’t.

But I hate working with resin. Any resin. It’s fiddly. Superglue prefers my fingers, hands and even face.

Give me plastic any day of the week. Infinitely easier and more satisfying to work with. I don’t need specialist tools. I don’t need special glue. I don’t need to stub it in warm soapy water. I never find an undercoat peeling off because apparently I didn’t scrub it well enough. If I drop a model (accidents do happen), plastic tends to bounce. Certainly not shatter awkwardly.

And with more intricate kit possibilities, I just find plastic more satisfying to build with.

Understandable, as I experienced the problems with finecast with the Farseers & Warlocks kit. Fantastic price but it was a lot of work to clean up and one of the toes broke off, which I really wasn't expecting.

 blood reaper wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:


That's not an anime convention for vampires, that's literally a Western invention by an American author.

We're having fun with the Blood Angels player, who doesn't take kindly to their badass dracula marines being referred to as anime "pretty boys". Insinuating that they might be Twilight vampires is even more unforgivable!

When anime was mentioned I was hoping someone was talking about DIO/Dio Brando style Vampires and not making the same tired redditor sparkle joke for the 500th time - but hope is the first step on the way to disappointment.

I just started watching JoJos Bizarre Adventure, finished up Phantom Blood/Battle Tenacity last night and I'm a half dozen episodes into Stardust Crusaders. Gotta be honest, I'm not seeing the Dio x Blood Angels connection here. Dio style vampirism isn't at all what I imagine Blood Angels to be like.

 blood reaper wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rules entirely aside? I’m just stoked my resin hating arse can now get involved in Heresy properly.

this

Personally I don't hate resin - what I hate is Forge World's resin. Low quality, poorly put together crap which is sold at an obscene premium.

Definitely. Resin is not as easy to work with as plastic by any means, but one of the advantages of resin is that you usually don't have to do much to it! I've had some excellent 3rd party resin models and bits that were pretty much glue and go. Except FW resin with the amount of bubbles, mold slips, ludicrous size gate, invariably bent, and ludicrous size gaps. The detail can still be very nice, but I really hesitate to buy anything bigger than a helmet these days, especially at the silly prices - and I used to cut-up and repose metal models!

I have a 3d printer, and I'm still buying plastic kits because i :heart: tamiya extra thin so much. (and the plastic kits are nice!)

The price doesn’t bother me too much, as wargaming is one of my main hobbies and I put aside a good chunk of my disposable income for it. But, I’m having a hard time convincing more casual gaming friends to jump into HH, even with the new box set. Yes it is cheaper than the old resin stuff (and perhaps now more within reach of common folk) but that’s like saying a Maserati is relatively cheap compared to other marque Italian brand cars; if you split a set (removing the rule book) even with a good discount it’s still a good £70-80 for 5 termies, 20 beakies, a praetor and either a land raider or dreadnought. While compared to some GW stuff that’s not bad, we’re following up Star Wars legion where you get a lot more for the same money (and that in itself isn’t the cheapest) and used to skirmish games (inc. GWs own Necromunda) which you can play for far less money.

I’m glad they have made the game more accessible with the box set and plastic releases. But, 5 or 6 ‘essential’ campaign books down the line (most likely within the next 2 years) as well as that lovely looking FW unit (that costs £80, but you have to have!) I think this is still very much at the top end of wargaming price wise. It’s going to take a bit commitment in time and money, and is not for dabblers.

I has a question. Apparently it is well established that volkite weapons go CHOOM!

What is up with that?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I has a question. Apparently it is well established that volkite weapons go CHOOM!

What is up with that?

I can't link to it currently because the site is undergoing a lengthy upgrade, but it came from a poster years ago on Bolter&Chainsword IIRC because he didn't like pew-pew. ADB liked choom, and put it in Master of Mankind, and now it's canon.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rules entirely aside? I’m just stoked my resin hating arse can now get involved in Heresy properly.

Ya that's a silver lining for sure, always liked the spartan but never liked the idea it was heavy enough to break a foot if dropped

Must be my age, whenever I think of Anime, I think of giant robots with laser swords, cowboys riding jetbikes and shooting laser beams from their revolvers. and not some Castlevania type ish.

But at least now I know what you mean - you're talkkng about the "vampirs.. IN SPAACE". Yall can laugh about it as much as you want, my Blood Angels are from the Rogue Trader era, this whole twilight emo thing didnt exist back then. PS I hate the blinged out "pretty boy" BA look, it's ridiculous. I can buy Sanguinius being an angelface (he was an Angel who died for our sins, right?), but the rest of the chapter in my headcanon is a bunch of radiation scorched scarfaces who don't really like to show their face. They also headbutt kill their enemies in close combat with their beaky helmets.

The only 'Angels who are granted the honour of wearing bling are the brothers who have succumbed to the black rage. This is how the artisans of the chapter venerate the ultimate sacrifice of their brothers, they are making the most elaborate "living caskets" for them, for they are all already dead.

*mic drop*

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rules entirely aside? I’m just stoked my resin hating arse can now get involved in Heresy properly.

Ya that's a silver lining for sure, always liked the spartan but never liked the idea it was heavy enough to break a foot if dropped

As someone that just recently bought a FW Malcador....

Lord knows what they do with their resin, i had 0 issues with resin from Anvil, literally stuff got delivered out of the bags and box ready to go, from kromlech (even if the injection blocks have been designed iffy on the grot tanks) i had basiclly 5 minutes to clean up 4 grot tanks, but FW resin and Failcast from GW? ... i wasted 3 Hours fixing up the shoulder plate on my decimator (badly twisted) and the recent malcador kit did take a saw to split away from injection blocks... a saw.... and don't get me started on bubbly obliterators.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rules entirely aside? I’m just stoked my resin hating arse can now get involved in Heresy properly.

Ya that's a silver lining for sure, always liked the spartan but never liked the idea it was heavy enough to break a foot if dropped

As someone that just recently bought a FW Malcador....

Lord knows what they do with their resin, i had 0 issues with resin from Anvil, literally stuff got delivered out of the bags and box ready to go, from kromlech (even if the injection blocks have been designed iffy on the grot tanks) i had basiclly 5 minutes to clean up 4 grot tanks, but FW resin and Failcast from GW? ... i wasted 3 Hours fixing up the shoulder plate on my decimator (badly twisted) and the recent malcador kit did take a saw to split away from injection blocks... a saw.... and don't get me started on bubbly obliterators.

After my Mastadon encounter I swore never to by GW resin again. And for sure I never have. And, I wasn't even the one who built the model!

 Togusa wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rules entirely aside? I’m just stoked my resin hating arse can now get involved in Heresy properly.

Ya that's a silver lining for sure, always liked the spartan but never liked the idea it was heavy enough to break a foot if dropped

As someone that just recently bought a FW Malcador....

Lord knows what they do with their resin, i had 0 issues with resin from Anvil, literally stuff got delivered out of the bags and box ready to go, from kromlech (even if the injection blocks have been designed iffy on the grot tanks) i had basiclly 5 minutes to clean up 4 grot tanks, but FW resin and Failcast from GW? ... i wasted 3 Hours fixing up the shoulder plate on my decimator (badly twisted) and the recent malcador kit did take a saw to split away from injection blocks... a saw.... and don't get me started on bubbly obliterators.

After my Mastadon encounter I swore never to by GW resin again. And for sure I never have. And, I wasn't even the one who built the model!

HAHAHA

May i ask what was wrong with the mastadon?

They are huge and hollow, so that is a great recipe for fixing warps funtimes.

Mastadon is renown for being terrible to put together.

I've never had anything big from FW but my experience with their infantry is that the level of detail is just stunning.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I has a question. Apparently it is well established that volkite weapons go CHOOM!

What is up with that?

I love it. Built my self a Choom Choom express. This new Tank is easily the most fun I've had building kits in years. I'll defiantly get a couple more.

Robert Facepalmer wrote:They are huge and hollow, so that is a great recipe for fixing warps funtimes.

Acolyte Kraskor wrote:Mastadon is renown for being terrible to put together.

I've never had anything big from FW but my experience with their infantry is that the level of detail is just stunning.

It isn't until you wasted an afternoon on fixing the bits up... i own the old R&H command 2 stubber teams a set of enforcers and some upgrade bits...
Awesome look and models, but jut horrific to clean up.

So in essence that sounds like my malcador except somehow worse. Checks out i guess

Togusa wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I has a question. Apparently it is well established that volkite weapons go CHOOM!

What is up with that?

I love it. Built my self a Choom Choom express. This new Tank is easily the most fun I've had building kits in years. I'll defiantly get a couple more.

Whilest i like it, the price is a tad steep for me for it.
I do hope the deimos predators come out soon tough. I always wanted a round turret pred.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Robert Facepalmer wrote:They are huge and hollow, so that is a great recipe for fixing warps funtimes.

Acolyte Kraskor wrote:Mastadon is renown for being terrible to put together.

I've never had anything big from FW but my experience with their infantry is that the level of detail is just stunning.

It isn't until you wasted an afternoon on fixing the bits up... i own the old R&H command 2 stubber teams a set of enforcers and some upgrade bits...
Awesome look and models, but jut horrific to clean up.

So in essence that sounds like my malcador except somehow worse. Checks out i guess

Togusa wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I has a question. Apparently it is well established that volkite weapons go CHOOM!

What is up with that?

I love it. Built my self a Choom Choom express. This new Tank is easily the most fun I've had building kits in years. I'll defiantly get a couple more.

Whilest i like it, the price is a tad steep for me for it.
I do hope the deimos predators come out soon tough. I always wanted a round turret pred.

If you can catch one on a sale I highly recommend this kit. It was just an absolute joy to build. There are so many parts and optional things, and if you have the patience for magnetization it really becomes one heck of a kit with literally dozens of weapon options. The Deimos Predators are also high up on my list of hopeful things.

Rumor has had them at 3 (or 2?) per box for i believe 105 £ if my brain isn't completely scrambled in plastic. If that is the case, then GW can expect a pretty penny from me. I like predators, especially ones with decent rules, and they have decent enough rules for my taste.

also havoc launchers but i am biased as hell in that regard

Wait 3 preds for $150??ish nice, selling full squads seems to be the MO for 2.0

So far I can definitely see that Tsons need to be addressed in terms of their LA, and clarifications. Just a few things i think need to be changed with them and or clarified .\

-Sehkmet need their Asphyx bolters, IDK why they forgot to give it to them. They had them in 1.0, and you can even upgrade bolters to them, but you cant upgrade sehkmet who before came stock with them.

-The pyro melee psyker power needs to be fixed for magnus and for osiron dreads. The size of the blast is small, but if you use it on magnus or the osiron, you can only hit models in base contact with you, if you use it on a 32mm base you can hit 2 rows of things, so this needs to be upgraded to a large blast for osirons and magnus.

-magnus overall needs to be buffed, or have his points dropped by like 100 points. Right now he is hands down the weakest primarch for how much he costs. He is the second most expensive primarch but can only actually beat alpharius in 1 on 1. The psyker power we have now are to weak to justify using him, and his limit amount of buffing also make him pretty boring. Despite getting full access to all psyker weapons you would honestly never end up using them because why woud you? His war gear is better then any power you can cast. So you have the master of the warp, who shoots out fire crackers rather then fireballs.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Price doesn’t bother me. I can either afford something and see the value in it, or I can’t.

But I hate working with resin. Any resin. It’s fiddly. Superglue prefers my fingers, hands and even face.

Give me plastic any day of the week. Infinitely easier and more satisfying to work with. I don’t need specialist tools. I don’t need special glue. I don’t need to stub it in warm soapy water. I never find an undercoat peeling off because apparently I didn’t scrub it well enough. If I drop a model (accidents do happen), plastic tends to bounce. Certainly not shatter awkwardly.

And with more intricate kit possibilities, I just find plastic more satisfying to build with.

I've also found that Forgeworld Resin melts and deforms due to heat relatively easily. I had a avenger strike fighter become a Tie-Advanced in my car during the Winter one year because it was a particularly sunny day.

ERJAK wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Price doesn’t bother me. I can either afford something and see the value in it, or I can’t.

But I hate working with resin. Any resin. It’s fiddly. Superglue prefers my fingers, hands and even face.

Give me plastic any day of the week. Infinitely easier and more satisfying to work with. I don’t need specialist tools. I don’t need special glue. I don’t need to stub it in warm soapy water. I never find an undercoat peeling off because apparently I didn’t scrub it well enough. If I drop a model (accidents do happen), plastic tends to bounce. Certainly not shatter awkwardly.

And with more intricate kit possibilities, I just find plastic more satisfying to build with.

I've also found that Forgeworld Resin melts and deforms due to heat relatively easily. I had a avenger strike fighter become a Tie-Advanced in my car during the Winter one year because it was a particularly sunny day.

Im with Doc here, resin sucks horrible to work with, and FW resin is 100% garbage, worst part about FW is that they dont fix or replace their molds when they start to go back, they will literally run them until they break or have such horribly bad casts they can sell them with out getting in trouble any more.

Like the Solar aux casts? holy god they are bad, like i love the model look, but damn those models are absolute dumpster tier in quality.

FW can be nice but the QA seems a bit like a coin toss. Much happier to be building a plastic spartin rn than a resin one, the only downside is when I'm done it won't be as effective to hurl at intruders for last ditch home defense, the forgeworld spartan is heavy enough to crack a skull

I don't really mind resin for smaller things, but vehicle sized models end up far too heavy to be practical for wargaming.

I've actually been quite lucky with FW resin, all my purchases have been decent casts so far.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Wait 3 preds for $150??ish nice, selling full squads seems to be the MO for 2.0

again that was a rumor from a saleslist, which has so far been accurate, but saleslist are notoriously shortened.
even though if it were only 2 , with all the options they will need to put in there that is still a sale on my end.


btw, can someone do me a favour and tell me wich mark Power armor sternguard and the company command squad has from the normal 40k line?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
Wait 3 preds for $150??ish nice, selling full squads seems to be the MO for 2.0

again that was a rumor from a saleslist, which has so far been accurate, but saleslist are notoriously shortened.
even though if it were only 2 , with all the options they will need to put in there that is still a sale on my end.


btw, can someone do me a favour and tell me wich mark Power armor sternguard and the company command squad has from the normal 40k line?

they wear highly decorated MK VII armor I belive.