World eaters codex! Time for wild speculation

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**Irbis**

Crispy78 wrote:
Still worried it's going to be ridiculously flanderised, full of nonsense called Bloodbath Axewankers and so on, with not so much as a bolt pistol to them.

Sooo, like these dudes?

If 30K WE have zero ranged weapons on all signature units, it's kind of hard to expect 40K ones to suddenly gain some common sense...

**EviscerationPlague**

Well to be fair, weren't World Eaters one of the beneficiaries of HH's recent output of "Hey let's give each Legion a super special Destroyer unit". That counts as a ranged unit I'd argue

**Irbis**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Well to be fair, weren't World Eaters one of the beneficiaries of HH's recent output of "Hey let's give each Legion a super special Destroyer unit". That counts as a ranged unit I'd argue

Technically yes, but these WE Destroyers couldn't take bolters and while they can take pistols, rules encourage you to swap them and charge.

They also have one of the most comical loadouts in WH possible, two machetes and two pistols, making you question how the hell they manage to use all of their weapons at once

**Formosa**

Irbis wrote:
Crispy78 wrote:
Still worried it's going to be ridiculously flanderised, full of nonsense called Bloodbath Axewankers and so on, with not so much as a bolt pistol to them.

Sooo, like these dudes?

If 30K WE have zero ranged weapons on all signature units, it's kind of hard to expect 40K ones to suddenly gain some common sense...

both of these units have ranged options, the Red butchers have combi bolters... for some reason and the rampagers have bolt pistols.

As for what I would like to see, 40k rampagers would be cool but most of all I want Bezerkers on Juggernoughts, a Jugger lord and maybe some sort of larger demon engine based on the jugger, I want my Murder Cows!!!!11!

**EviscerationPlague**

Irbis wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
Well to be fair, weren't World Eaters one of the beneficiaries of HH's recent output of "Hey let's give each Legion a super special Destroyer unit". That counts as a ranged unit I'd argue

They also have one of the most comical loadouts in WH possible, two machetes and two pistols, making you question how the hell they manage to use all of their weapons at once

Very carefully

**H.B.M.C.**

Irbis wrote:
... making you question how the hell they manage to use all of their weapons at once

Why would they need to use all their weapons at once?

**Grimtuff**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
I've never seen that model before and yes thats pretty absurd.

The kit is actually pretty decent.. It's just the alt build with the daft weapons that they insisted on including (why exactly? As these came out circa late 8th ed WHFB the same time as the Blightkings, who only have one build and are better for it) that makes them silly.

**VladimirHerzog**

Grimtuff wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
I've never seen that model before and yes thats pretty absurd.

The kit is actually pretty decent.. It's just the alt build with the daft weapons that they insisted on including (why exactly? As these came out circa late 8th ed WHFB the same time as the Blightkings, who only have one build and are better for it) that makes them silly.

Its Skarr Bloodwrath, not the skullreapers

**Grimtuff**

Oh lawd... I'd scrubbed that mini from my memory it seems. Though, remove the dumb chains and he also doesn't look that bad.

**NinthMusketeer**

I like the wrathmongers, I always figured the chains were daemonic and not bound by normal physics, judging by the way they are moving.

**VladimirHerzog**

Grimtuff wrote:
Oh lawd... I'd scrubbed that mini from my memory it seems. Though, remove the dumb chains and he also doesn't look that bad.

move the chains to the pommel and it's already better. Basically an up-sized Rope-dagger

**Karol**

yeah, but you can't dual wield those, plus there is a huge difference between the momentum of an ax and practially every weapons that isn't a heavy mace or a two handed weapon.

Also chain weapons with blunt weapons like that have a nasty tendency to bounce back and hit the user at the same angle, if they hit something like a helmet or a pouldron. Practialy the only way to stay safe with them, is if the weapon gets imbeded in the enemy or the chain those a whirl on the weapon or shield and hits something like your back or back of your head. there is a reason why they were banned from battle of nations.

**VladimirHerzog**

Karol wrote:
yeah, but you can't dual wield those, plus there is a huge difference between the momentum of an ax and practially every weapons that isn't a heavy mace or a two handed weapon.

Also chain weapons with blunt weapons like that have a nasty tendency to bounce back and hit the user at the same angle, if they hit something like a helmet or a pouldron. Practialy the only way to stay safe with them, is if the weapon gets imbeded in the enemy or the chain those a whirl on the weapon or shield and hits something like your back or back of your head. there is a reason why they were banned from battle of nations.

Honestly, even without the chain, you realistically wouldnt be able to one hand (and probably even two hand) these axes.
Don't bring real world logic to 40k weapons

**Karol**

Depends if their fickness on the model is made for in setting realism or exist that way because of how plastic models get molded and thin ax blades just wouldn't work in mass production.

Two handed it wouldn't be a problem, minus the chain of course. Ain't much bigger then a standard hungarian infantry bardish from the end XVth century. If I can swing those at my age and size, an adult soldiers should be able to do it easily.

**Hecaton**

Jidmah wrote:
I feel like 40k is lacking a tank that launches oversized sawblades at the enemy, and WE should totally be the army to get such a tank.

Shuriken weaponry is pretty close though.

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kurhanik wrote:
I just want to see ranged capabilities. Too often Khorne followers are just guys with swords and axes yeeting themselves at foes. Khorne is a god of war, and should involve all sorts of weaponry - maybe a focus on ones that spill blood like solid projectile guns, frag shells, bolters, autocannons and the like, but las weaponry should still exist as well. Melee specialists (Beserkers, etc) should definitely exist in the army, and everything should be roughly "above average" in terms of melee (so that even the most range centric unit in the army can be a bully unit in melee), but shooting should exist.

Give them artillery units that lob fragmentation ordnance at their foes, let them take targetters on their own units to allow them to rain death into melees destroying both friend (likely the Khorne themed cultist unit but let marines and the like take them too) and foe. Lets get some Marines toting heavy bolters with big ass chain-bayonets on them, or a tank with a giant plasma cannon on it used to melt down walls, with cultists and the rare prisoner chained to the plasma coills so that Khorne gets his tithe even when it misfires.

Basically instead of S tier in melee, and then nothing in everything else, I hope they go for A+ or S- tier in melee, but B tier in mid range and maybe like C+ in long range.

I know people want brutal artillery, but how cool would it be to have Khornate cult snipers (not World Eaters, but traitor guard or something)? "Taking skulls" is more about putting bullets through them.

**VladimirHerzog**

Karol wrote:
Depends if their fickness on the model is made for in setting realism or exist that way because of how plastic models get molded and thin ax blades just wouldn't work in mass production.

Two handed it wouldn't be a problem, minus the chain of course. Ain't much bigger then a standard hungarian infantry bardish from the end XVth century. If I can swing those at my age and size, an adult soldiers should be able to do it easily.

Skarr's axe would be 1-2 inches thick in real life, much much MUCH thicker than a bardiche. Youre not swinging that IRL

**Breton**

Jidmah wrote:
I feel like 40k is lacking a tank that launches oversized sawblades at the enemy, and WE should totally be the army to get such a tank.

I feel like they'd need to partner with Nerf Sports before they can release that.

**Karol**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
Karol wrote:
Depends if their fickness on the model is made for in setting realism or exist that way because of how plastic models get molded and thin ax blades just wouldn't work in mass production.

Two handed it wouldn't be a problem, minus the chain of course. Ain't much bigger then a standard hungarian infantry bardish from the end XVth century. If I can swing those at my age and size, an adult soldiers should be able to do it easily.

Skarr's axe would be 1-2 inches thick in real life, much much MUCH thicker than a bardiche. Youre not swinging that IRL

I would it just would be very slow, its is the size of a bone cleaver we use durning cow/pig butchering. Again all depends on what ever the size and thickness of the weapon is based on in world realities of weapons, or on limitation in plastic injection technology. A bit like in w40k right now we get SoB taller then marines. I think we can agree that human females in w40k didn't suddenly grow to be 6 feet tall.

**ccs**

The SoB new height is easily explained: They're only recruiting the extra tall girls now days.

**Karol**

If they recruit extra tall girls, who are taller then 6+feet tall marines, then those aren't just tall women. Those are gene breed people who probably under go surgery as children, teens and adults to lenghten the legs. And there would have to be gigantic facilities for those women, because convents are much larger then marine chapters and have convents all around the galaxy. And then they would have adjust the muscle mass to the new hight and check with the longer extremities don't cause problems with blood circulation, like some people in sports gets if they grow too tall or large.

**Dudeface**

I suspect, given they're a heavily focussed melee army, that GW will miss the mark balance wise with WE and they'll be a bit soft initially. That said, it'll take a LOT of will power not to get a world eaters army. They've always spoken to me but been a bit runty in terms of the chaos marine forces.

**ccs**

Karol wrote:
If they recruit extra tall girls, who are taller then 6+feet tall marines, then those aren't just tall women. Those are gene breed people who probably under go surgery as children, teens and adults to lenghten the legs. And there would have to be gigantic facilities for those women, because convents are much larger then marine chapters and have convents all around the galaxy. And then they would have adjust the muscle mass to the new hight and check with the longer extremities don't cause problems with blood circulation, like some people in sports gets if they grow too tall or large.

Fortunately none of that's an issue since reality isn't a concern in the 40k universe....

**Strg Alt**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I'd take a 1KSons release over a DG release, but we know that doesn't happen anymore.

The new 'Zerkers will be 8 models per box (for the price of 10!), and have a convaluted list of wargear options all determined by the exact amount of weapons on the sprue.

Don´t forget stupid weapon names. I am already looking forward to the Erythrocytic Flail.

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Grimtuff wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
I've never seen that model before and yes thats pretty absurd.

The kit is actually pretty decent.. It's just the alt build with the daft weapons that they insisted on including (why exactly? As these came out circa late 8th ed WHFB the same time as the Blightkings, who only have one build and are better for it) that makes them silly.

Those look like Goliath at a LARP convention.

**TwinPoleTheory**

Wouldn't be surprised if they get a force org setup like DE (multiple patrols) to represent the small warbands aspect of their lore.

**StarHunter25**

I agree with most on the ranged unit. If memory serves, in the Vraks book the WE havoks were called "The Teeth of Khorne" and exclusively wielded hb and ac. We today can add the chaincannon, make the bayonets have an actual melee profile, perhaps like the chainglaive on the Disco lord. My REAL wishlist is berzerkers on scimitar jetbikes, which were possessed by juggernauts to keep them floaty-floaty.

**Racerguy180**

Yeah I'd rather have them riding daemon-infused jetbikes than running around on juggernauts.

Ranged options of Berzerkers would be cool like give them the bolters w chainbayonets and the heavy versions chainglaives on big HI ROF guns would also fit the Khornate esthetic.

**Karol**

ccs 804921 11361979 wrote:

Fortunately none of that's an issue since reality isn't a concern in the 40k universe....

But it should be an issue, if it was true that model looks and the lore really do impact how the game is played and the game expiriance. If a random repentia is almost as tall as a space marine in termintor armour, then it has to have to be explained somehow. The bigger size of new DG was explained with them swelling and getting bigger from the chaos power corrupting everything from the Scar. Orks get bigger the bigger stuff they fight, so ork that specilises in hunting huge monsters are bigger then the regular orks etc. There has to be a similar explanation for SoB too.

**H.B.M.C.**

Strg Alt wrote:
Don´t forget stupid weapon names. I am already looking forward to the Erythrocytic Flail.

The Apoplectic Axe!!!

**Hellebore**

I reckon some daemon engine riders could look cool.

Imagine a cross between a juggernaut and a skull cannon of khorne. Give a whole new meaning to crotch rocket...

would give you anti tank units that were also melee bruisers.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I’m hopeful of Red Butchers. Their background in Heresy is really cool. Basically Marines driven insane by the Butcher’s Nails, and locked away in Terminator Armour which is remotely deactivated after the battle.