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**Albertorius**

Kanluwen wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Ug no new base sizes!

Uh, the 28mm bases aren't new?

Have you seen many IG units with it?

New to IG, because it is.

I, for example, have 30 old kasrkins painted, on 25mm bases. so, yeah, new base size, even if only accounting for "for this unit".

**ProfSrlojohn**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

That would require Gw to give a flying gak about Inquisition beyond an occasional bone that isn't even edible. *Cough* Whited dwarf dex *cough*

**Kanluwen**

Albertorius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Ug no new base sizes!

Uh, the 28mm bases aren't new?

Have you seen many IG units with it?

New to IG, because it is.

Have you seen many IG releases?

We've had Gaunt's Ghosts, the Catachan Colonel+Sergeant Ripper, and Death Korps.

Sidenote:

The kit is comprised of 35 plastic components, with which you can assemble one Colonel-Commissar Ibram Gaunt, one Colonel Colm Corbec, one Major Elim Rawne, one Master Sniper Hlaine Larkin, one 'Try Again' Bragg, and one Sergeant Scout Oan Mkoll. This kit is supplied with 6x Citadel 28.5mm Round Bases.

**Undead_Love-Machine**

Irbis wrote:
RedSarge wrote:
Well, it's definitely the END of Heroic scale from GW. What people tend to forget when wargaming is... you need to make out what the model is at around 3-4 feet.

These new Chaos Guard and Kasrkin look like Video Game models ripped for wargaming. Secondary to that, they look like a "Not_GW IP model" knockoff of their own IP. Yes that looks like a Kasrkin, sort of. Really thin helmet, heroic scale gun but truescale body.

If it looks like something from video game, that is a good thing. Not bad. There had been hundreds of tests done on recognizing units at a glance (because in fast paced FPS, being able to recognize enemy classes in a blink is really important and if the players can't do that, your game won't live long) and what you really need for it, is distinctive silhouette. That can be achieved by body shape, pose, gun tip, there are lots of tricks for it but the worst, absolute worst thing you can do, is have a square-ish blob where everything, from body to weapon, blends in and you can't see gak - precisely like in ugly gak squatborn SM and gorilla IG. The new models, both from primaris and traitor/refreshed IG, are lightyears better than old junk.

Now, as for heads, GW has a problem here - they tend to do helmets almost the same size as head without it (especially noticeable on new stormcast) but on the other hand, it keeps consistent model silhouette and from 3-4 feet, being able to tell what the mini is regardless of how it was painted might be more important for designers than having slightly more realistic heads.

And for the record, really disagree about the gun. It's slightly too big, yes, but again, 3-4 feet and IMO it looks great - designer took old, ugly gak brick of a gun from 90s and modernized it, making it far more detailed, thinner, looking more like a weapon someone might use, while keeping old, distinctive silhouette of hot shot making them blend in with old Kasrkin. Job really well done here.

It's a shame that you use such terms as "ugly gak", "old junk" and so on to describe the old models, it really doesn't make your post sound rational. I dislike the current trend of using words like "garbage" and "junk" to describe anything that we don't find to be great, sometimes it feels like subtlety and reason is a dying art.

I agree with your point about GW head size silhouette being the same whether helmeted or not, it's something that I've definitely noticed over the years. I'd like to see them move away from that.

**Agamemnon2**

I'm glad the trend of coming up for ugly words to call Firstborn hasn't yet extended to the people who field or collect them, but I suppose it's only a matter of time.

**RedSarge**

Funny thing about calling previous Edition models "old" and "junk", is. If they were old and junk, why did you collect them? XD

That aside, I agree with army cohesion and aesthetic being important as WYSIWYG.

Can we confirm the Older sentinel, which got a new plastic kit in... 2012? Is going OOP? In favor of Paulo Parente's Astra Militarum?

**CthuluIsSpy**

I would guess they would want to push the newer stuff, yes.
I'm actually really interested in what they have in store for Squats and the IG.
Rough Riders, maybe? A new kit to replace Banegryns?

**Captain Joystick**

QQ about the music in that trailer.

How would I go about finding more like that? Searching for military themed orchestra music just gives me boring patriotic marches and the like.

**Albertorius**

Kanluwen wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Ug no new base sizes!

Uh, the 28mm bases aren't new?

Have you seen many IG units with it?

New to IG, because it is.

Have you seen many IG releases?

Does that make the 28mm base not new for IG, somehow? No? Then it doesn't matter.

**Kanluwen**

It literally is there in the Gaunt's Ghosts description that you edited out.

So out of the whopping three general release items(Ghosts, Krieg, and Ripper), one whole squad had 28.5mm bases.

**stahly**

The new Death Korps come on 25mm bases, I got a scale comparison with Cadians, Traitor Guard, Skitarii, Marines, and more here: https://taleofpainters.com/2021/08/review-kill-team-octarius-starter-set-first-impressions-unboxing/

**Kanluwen**

Yes...and Gaunt's Ghosts came with 28mm bases.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Side note of absolutely no consequence or, frankly, value, to anyone anywhere for any reason, but it won’t leave my head otherwise?

I do not get why people liked the metal Storm Troopers. Overburdened, far too busy, they don’t look as if they can move. I. Don’t. Get. It.

Right. That feels better. Everyone else crack on with your own preferences.

**chaos0xomega**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
So if you give the tank commander a pith helmet, is he a Praetorian Praetorian?

Dammit, GW, stop overloading the namespace! :-P

To be fair, there's not actually that many units in game that use Praetorian.
There's Necron Praetorians, the Praetorian guard and now a Praetorian tank.
Which is arguably still too many, but it could be worse.
It could be wolf.

Likely means that Praetorian guardsmen are being sidelined in an effort to make them go quietly into the night. Its a common retcon tactic in various continuities to re-assign the name of one thing to another in order to "overwrite" it.

**Gert**

The Praetorians were featured in a post-Rift Cadian novel like a year ago, they aren't gone from the background but I would absolutely understand why GW would try to shy away from their use considering their influence.

**Bobthehero**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Side note of absolutely no consequence or, frankly, value, to anyone anywhere for any reason, but it won’t leave my head otherwise?

I do not get why people liked the metal Storm Troopers. Overburdened, far too busy, they don’t look as if they can move. I. Don’t. Get. It.

Right. That feels better. Everyone else crack on with your own preferences.

That's why I like them, they look like commandos dropping behind enemy lines with a ton of gear, because they'll be there for a while and need to carry everything they need for days of fighting.

**Olthannon**

Bobthehero wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Side note of absolutely no consequence or, frankly, value, to anyone anywhere for any reason, but it won’t leave my head otherwise?

I do not get why people liked the metal Storm Troopers. Overburdened, far too busy, they don’t look as if they can move. I. Don’t. Get. It.

Right. That feels better. Everyone else crack on with your own preferences.

That's why I like them, they look like commandos dropping behind enemy lines with a ton of gear, because they'll be there for a while and need to carry everything they need for days of fighting.

Yeah I also really like the Inquisitorial Storm Troopers. The gasmasks I think are what make them great. Also I really like the black armour with red fatigues.

**Shakalooloo**

RedSarge wrote:
Well, it's definitely the END of Heroic scale from GW. What people tend to forget when wargaming is... you need to make out what the model is at around 3-4 feet.

Presumably, that's partially (though not entirely, obviously) the reason for varying base sizes. You can tell the otherwise similar-looking Kasrkin from the regulars by dint of their bigger bases.

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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Side note of absolutely no consequence or, frankly, value, to anyone anywhere for any reason, but it won’t leave my head otherwise?

I do not get why people liked the metal Storm Troopers. Overburdened, far too busy, they don’t look as if they can move. I. Don’t. Get. It.

Right. That feels better. Everyone else crack on with your own preferences.

My housemate has recently stripped a few of those models, and I got the chance to check out the detail in them. They don't really have any. Every surface is covered with grenades, as if the sculptor just jammed spare bits from plastic sprues directly into the green stuff. They could be wearing bin liners under their gear for all I can tell.

**Geifer**

Olthannon wrote:
Bobthehero wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Side note of absolutely no consequence or, frankly, value, to anyone anywhere for any reason, but it won’t leave my head otherwise?

I do not get why people liked the metal Storm Troopers. Overburdened, far too busy, they don’t look as if they can move. I. Don’t. Get. It.

Right. That feels better. Everyone else crack on with your own preferences.

That's why I like them, they look like commandos dropping behind enemy lines with a ton of gear, because they'll be there for a while and need to carry everything they need for days of fighting.

Yeah I also really like the Inquisitorial Storm Troopers. The gasmasks I think are what make them great. Also I really like the black armour with red fatigues.

Yeah, the gas masks are great. Also the shape of the helmet that frames them so well. I also like how simple the armor is on them.

It's all around a perfect look. I wish GW made modern plastic versions of them.

Shakalooloo wrote:
RedSarge wrote:
Well, it's definitely the END of Heroic scale from GW. What people tend to forget when wargaming is... you need to make out what the model is at around 3-4 feet.

Presumably, that's partially (though not entirely, obviously) the reason for varying base sizes. You can tell the otherwise similar-looking Kasrkin from the regulars by dint of their bigger bases.

I have to say I find 28mm bases pretty much indistinguishable from 25mm on the tabletop. 32mm are a large enough increase to see, but I never got that impression with 28mm ones.

I'm not saying that's not part of GW's rationale, but if it is it certainly doesn't work for me.

**Albertorius**

Kanluwen wrote:
It literally is there in the Gaunt's Ghosts description that you edited out.

So out of the whopping three general release items(Ghosts, Krieg, and Ripper), one whole squad had 28.5mm bases.

One "squad" of special characters, so, once again... no?

**Kid_Kyoto**

This is a really pointless fight.

"New" is not an absolute term, but a relative one.

For context I just spent the last few months working on my 1994 metal IG, so putting my heavy weapons on 60mm bases was new. And 28.5mm? Not even on my radar.

**Kanluwen**

Albertorius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
It literally is there in the Gaunt's Ghosts description that you edited out.

So out of the whopping three general release items(Ghosts, Krieg, and Ripper), one whole squad had 28.5mm bases.

One "squad" of special characters, so, once again... no?

So one-third of the general release Guard items don't count?

Interesting...

I guess I shouldn't mention that Sergeant Ripper Jackson came with a 32mm base, eh?

**Albertorius**

Kanluwen wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
It literally is there in the Gaunt's Ghosts description that you edited out.

So out of the whopping three general release items(Ghosts, Krieg, and Ripper), one whole squad had 28.5mm bases.

One "squad" of special characters, so, once again... no?

So one-third of the general release Guard items don't count?

Interesting...

I guess I shouldn't mention that Sergeant Ripper Jackson came with a 32mm base, eh?

Two thirds, as there's only one unit there. Seeing as the rest are characters... maybe see what I wrote. For some reason, people is aware that characters tend to come in bigger bases than regular troops, for whatever reasons.

But hey, interesting indeed.

**Kanluwen**

Gaunt's Ghosts is a unit, per their rules.

**JWBS**

Agreed, these 'akshually...' gotchas are very tedious to sift through.

**MajorWesJanson**

JWBS wrote:
Agreed, these 'akshually...' gotchas are very tedious to sift through.

And the various posts about "You're a hater" or "Youre a White Knight/Corporate shill" aren't very useful either.

On the Praetorian tank, I wonder if it will be closer in design to the Malcador with a heavy nose gun, sponsons and normal sized turret, or the Macharius with regular nose and sponsons, but a heavier turret?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Watch it just be an Abrams with a lascannon.
Actually, that might be cool.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Scions are on 25mm's, so I don't see why Karskins would have larger bases

**Pyroalchi**

MajorWesJanson wrote:

On the Praetorian tank, I wonder if it will be closer in design to the Malcador with a heavy nose gun, sponsons and normal sized turret, or the Macharius with regular nose and sponsons, but a heavier turret?

Why not both? One heavy and one medium turret... and three light ones... and sponsons... and heavy stubbers on every surface... muahaha

**Crimson**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Scions are on 25mm's, so I don't see why Karskins would have larger bases

I don't know why, but they almost certainly are. And 28,5mm bases didn't exist when scions were made. New Eldar models moved on bigger bases too, even though similar older models are on 25mm bases.