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 Kanluwen wrote:
after daemons but before LoV.

I have heard that LOV is before guard.

I'm glad that I have a clearer idea now. Thanks, guys.

As of right now, the only "definitive" part is that Ok_E over on reddit said that Guard come after CSM and Daemons.

There's been rumours floating around for quite some time that League is getting an army pack to start with, then a regular release after that.

Sounds reasonable enough, thanks.

And Leagues have been getting official previews for their model range, not just a response to a picture leak like guard or angron

Relevant: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/11/no-wheels-are-better-than-three-how-leagues-of-votann-trikes-were-reimagined-and-redesigned/

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Looks like Daemons > LOV > then either WE or Guard later this year. With them showing off Berserkers this week then I'd bet on Guard being early 2023.

I do suspect that LoV will be like Sisters or Elves with a launch box followed by a proper release later.

Daemons seem like a spacer release, since there are no rumors of any new models for them IIRC, though they could release the missing possessed gribbles from CSM, maybe the new Daemon Prince as well along the Daemon book.

Guard and World Eaters are both getting major range releases with their books.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I do suspect that LoV will be like Sisters or Elves with a launch box followed by a proper release later.

Daemons seem like a spacer release, since there are no rumors of any new models for them IIRC, though they could release the missing possessed gribbles from CSM, maybe the new Daemon Prince as well along the Daemon book.

Guard and World Eaters are both getting major range releases with their books.

Im pretty sure the Daemon Prince is coming with the Slaves to Darkness release.

Best thing to release alongside the Daemons book would be an on-foot plastic Slaaneshi Herald.

If I were to guess, its going to go Daemons -> Votann -> SM 2.0 - > Guard/World Eaters -> ? -> World Eaters/Guard. I can't see GW doing two back-to-back releases with as many new minis as Guard/WE will be getting, so I have to imagine theres something else smaller in between.

Pretty sure that Guard were meant to already be out by now. The August coin was an Honorifica Imperialis.

but they had to mess up the coin releases when all the aldari coins were stolen/accidentally put up for disposal

so i don't think they match up any more (although it does suggest soon)

Man, if the Guard codex really is coming out post LVO and 10th edition is really a hard reboot (which is doubt- but may get me playing again if it is), that means Guard players will get to use their book for what? 4 months before the new edition?

 Sabotage! wrote:
Man, if the Guard codex really is coming out post LVO and 10th edition is really a hard reboot (which is doubt- but may get me playing again if it is), that means Guard players will get to use their book for what? 4 months before the new edition?

Lvo as in las vegas open? Think it's post legion of votann which is coming this fall. Guard likely this year.

But yea still short time for book if it's hard reset but that's still just rumour. Might be bogus.

Yeah, I probably misread what someone posted earlier. I for one would really like a hard reset, but at a Guard player at heart that makes me sad such a major faction was neglected for so long in 9th.

OK_E wrote:There is no more special weapons or veteran squads anymore

I feel okay with this.

 Kanluwen wrote:

OK_E wrote:There is no more special weapons or veteran squads anymore

I feel okay with this.

I'd say I'm bummed about it, but
1) I assume the functionality of those two squads can more or less be produced by a
other units (probably command squad)
2) I don't field either of those,so I feel like being upset about losing them would be a bit dishonest on my part

I'm okay with Vet squads being gone (the minis are still usable as a souped up squad of regular guardsmen, etc.), not entirely okay with special weapon squads being gone (even though they kinda sucked and nobody used them vs command squads which basically ended up doing the same thing).

From earlier on, it's been noted that regular squads are going to 2 specials and no heavies.

Normal squads are two specials and zero heavies? So, heavy weapons will only be in specialist squads now? Weird.

 Kanluwen wrote:
From earlier on, it's been noted that regular squads are going to 2 specials and no heavies.

Oh cool, so all of the units we've already built are invalidated. you GW, you so much if this is true.

Heavy Weapon Squads aren't gone, per what has been said

How are they being invalidated? Your heavy weapon squad models can still be used, just not as part of a regular guardsman squad.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How are they being invalidated? Your heavy weapon squad models can still be used, just not as part of a regular guardsman squad.

Many of us build and paint units as complete units with squad markings, names and stories, etc. "Just use the models in some other unit" is not an acceptable solution.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Heavy Weapon Squads aren't gone, per what has been said

Oh great, so HWS are still around, that makes it perfectly fine that infantry squads, veterans, and SWS are wrecked by some idiot at GW that doesn't care about anything but next quarter's financial report.

Can someone explain why that guy is being taken as credible? What other rumours was he accurate with?

Aecus Decimus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How are they being invalidated? Your heavy weapon squad models can still be used, just not as part of a regular guardsman squad.

Many of us build and paint units as complete units with squad markings, names and stories, etc. "Just use the models in some other unit" is not an acceptable solution.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Heavy Weapon Squads aren't gone, per what has been said

Oh great, so HWS are still around, that makes it perfectly fine that infantry squads, veterans, and SWS are wrecked by some idiot at GW that doesn't care about anything but next quarter's financial report.

I mean, based on how badly they fethed over everyone who plays Chaos Space Marines, I would 100% believe this rumor. Damn, GW cannot get their head out of their ass with these codices.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Can someone explain why that guy is being taken as credible? What other rumours was he accurate with?

Pretty much everything he's posted from late last year onwards

https://www.reddit.com/user/ok_entrepreneur3004/comments/

Go check his older stuff on Eldar, Tyranids, or Knights

Aecus Decimus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How are they being invalidated? Your heavy weapon squad models can still be used, just not as part of a regular guardsman squad.

Many of us build and paint units as complete units with squad markings, names and stories, etc. "Just use the models in some other unit" is not an acceptable solution.

And many of us know how to remove decals or how to paint over squad markings or can alter that made-up story we had in the first place (since our stuff isn't canon) to fit with the new reality of the upcoming book.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Heavy Weapon Squads aren't gone, per what has been said

Oh great, so HWS are still around, that makes it perfectly fine that infantry squads,

Infantry Squads don't include Heavy Weapon Teams in their boxed set, unless you're buying the GSC Brood Brothers box or bought older metal kits.

veterans

Who have never had a kit.

and SWS are wrecked by some idiot at GW that doesn't care about anything but next quarter's financial report.

SWS were wrecked the first time the far, far superior D-99 versions were ever showcased.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And many of us know how to remove decals or how to paint over squad markings or can alter that made-up story we had in the first place (since our stuff isn't canon) to fit with the new reality of the upcoming book.

"Trash all your existing work because GW is a bunch of idiots" is not an acceptable solution.

Infantry Squads don't include Heavy Weapon Teams in their boxed set, unless you're buying the GSC Brood Brothers box or bought older metal kits.

So? Heavy weapons have been in infantry squads for at least a decade (and probably longer, I just don't have a second edition codex available to check) and invalidating existing units is a complete donkey-cave move by GW.

Who have never had a kit.

See above. "There isn't a kit with this specific name" is not an acceptable reason to invalidate existing units/armies. GW can GDIAF here.

Sucks for you then. My Cadians are going to be just fine.