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 Platuan4th wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


Not to get off track.....But back in the day, weren't there 2 LR kits, the regular and the Demolisher? You had to bitz order the Exterminator parts right?

No.

So 3 kits? Or was the Demolisher packaged with the Exterminator?

Demolisher was separate, as it came out in a completely different edition to the Exterminator.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Demolisher was separate, as it came out in a completely different edition to the Exterminator.

For some reason I only remember 2 kits. The 99 catalog only has 2 of the variants.

General Hobbs wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Demolisher was separate, as it came out in a completely different edition to the Exterminator.

For some reason I only remember 2 kits. The 99 catalog only has 2 of the variants.

The exterminator was listed under space wolves for a while iirc.

General Hobbs wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Demolisher was separate, as it came out in a completely different edition to the Exterminator.

For some reason I only remember 2 kits. The 99 catalog only has 2 of the variants.

Leman Russ and Leman Russ Demolisher may well have been the only kits at that point, as carry over kits from 2nd Ed (well, along with the Chimera and Basilisk. Griffon is 2nd Ed as well, but that bugger has come and gone). Oh and the Hellhound.

3rd Ed landed 1998, and whilst I can’t be sure without research I can’t be bothered to do, by 1999 IG may well have been awaiting their 3rd Ed Codex, and thus the addition of the Leman Russ Exterminator

Wonky History, by Mad Doc Grotsnik. Because greater precision and accuracy is a pain.

General Hobbs wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Demolisher was separate, as it came out in a completely different edition to the Exterminator.

For some reason I only remember 2 kits. The 99 catalog only has 2 of the variants.

The LR MBT and Demolisher came out during 2nd edition, the Exterminator during 3rd. Like the Demolisher it was metal bits added to the plastic kit until... 5th edition? When the plastic kits came out.

Here it is from the 2000 Annual (thanks to Stuff of Legends)



http://www.solegends.com/citcat2000/c2000p121-01.htm

Part of the confusion over 2nd or 3rd edition about the demolisher is that there were two metal demolisher kits

the second edition one


and the third edition one

I'm really trying to think back on the order of things in 3rd.

One I'm fairly certain of is the exterminator kit was not available when the guard codex was released.... It potentially was a resin kit by forgeworld though?

I remember the kit being available by the time the SW supplement was released though.

It was in the 3rd edition Codex, not sure when it was actually on shelves, I'd have to pick through 20 year old White Dwarves for that.

The Leman Russ Exterminator is advertised for sale as a kit (for $50 CAD or $32.99 US) in White Dwarf 239 from December 1999. The WD lists the Leman Russ Exterminator kit as an October/November 1999 release along with Codex Imperial Guard, Col Shaeffer's Last Chancers and the plastic Catachan Jungle Fighters box.

As an aside, its a glorious WD with lots of Guard (including a battle report with the Exterminator) and some Mordheim. Good days. There is even a Chapter Approved portion with some battle statistics: Dark Angels were on top with a 67% win rate, Tyranids were in 2nd with 55%, Sisters of Battle in 3rd with 55% and dead last were Space Marines with 44%. Anyhoo.

Aside from the Sentinel, what other IG kits currently offered from GW/FW are most likely to go OOP with this upcoming release?

 GrosseSax wrote:
Aside from the Sentinel, what other IG kits currently offered from GW/FW are most likely to go OOP with this upcoming release?

Creed Sr. ?

If I had to bet:
Ratling snipers,
Macharius and Malcador tanks and their variants (to not step on the toes of the new tank)
I'm also kind of suspecting/dreading they take away Crusaders and Priests from our Codex leaving them to SoB and replacing them with an Astra Militarum only "battlepreacher"

Macharius & malcador aren't part of codex so new codex coming changes nothing

 Pyroalchi wrote:
If I had to bet:
Ratling snipers,
Macharius and Malcador tanks and their variants (to not step on the toes of the new tank)
I'm also kind of suspecting/dreading they take away Crusaders and Priests from our Codex leaving them to SoB and replacing them with an Astra Militarum only "battlepreacher"

You mean the Propagandum Warpreachmongerer?

About OOP, my 2 cents:
Creed and Kell (obviously)
Servitors (are already gone, but now no longer even in Codex)
Crusaders
Psyker Rabble Squad
Astropath
Advisors
Yarrick (out of spite to remove the last traces of ASL)
All Commissars that are not in plastic
Priests
Stracken
Harker
Marbo

Sort of in that Order. If they really go with Regiments are only squad's, then 10th edition will expunge Catachans likely. Much to my chargrin.

Well that's a good part of my Arbites army...

Time to start converting them Sisters I think.

I'd like to see the Crusaders and Priests go as they are currently so they can be done in plastic. Considering they work across two armies, despite being fairly niche, I think they could sell well for adding some flavour to each. Not something I expect to seewith this Codex but the sort of thing I can see GW doing for a filler relase at some point.

The Psykers really need to be excised from the army. They exist just to add a psyker element and do it in such a half hearted way. Thing is from the fluff psykers are propagandised to the Guard to be witches and not to be trusted. There are other armies without any psyker elment and I don't think the Guard benefits from having any.

It would be nice to see a new Commisar kit with some variation in load out. The current kit is useless in that you end up with a bunch of them from various boxes but you only need one due to how static the kit is and how limited in options. Plus it's just a plain ugly sculpt.

We're absolutely getting a new Comissar, there was one in the background of the leaked picture

Missed that one, thats good news

Tallonian4th wrote:
Thing is from the fluff psykers are propagandised to the Guard to be witches and not to be trusted.

Only unsanctioned Psykers. Primaris Psykers have been part of Guard fluff for decades.

I disagree that Psykers need to be expunged from the Codex. They just need to be done right.

The Primaris Psyker, while the name is a bit confusing now with a certain other army of plot devices, not only date back to 2nd it seems, but they also are noted in several fluff pieces as the template of the powerful sanctioned psyker. Of course many armies would react negative towards the psyker. This used to be implemented with the "it's for your own good" special rule.

Astropaths are usually only part of a world goes Apocalypse scenario or if an Inquisitor is involved. I would really like to have "Agents of the Inquisition" as a subcodex that can be taken as part of an individual detachment with Codex IG and would not mind to have it inside Codex IG if that is the only place it can exist. But the Astropath should really be sloted that way.

The Psyker Rabble squad is fluff wise not only supported, example and spoiler alert: . But these really emphasise the way that Sanctioned Psykers are treated in the fluff. The only thing is that they need fitting models of chained filthy wretches, tormented by the powers that they channel and accompanied by rules that are not such a load of feth that you can't even use the squad apart for Secondary Mission actions.

They’ve been around since the start. No reason at all to get rid, the guard has never been puritanical about psykers, the grunts might not like being around one but they don’t get a say. That’s life in the guard.

Andykp wrote:
They’ve been around since the start. No reason at all to get rid, the guard has never been puritanical about psykers, the grunts might not like being around one but they don’t get a say. That’s life in the guard.

And judging by that unit entry, they could all be walking around with Chaos mutations! Bring that back!

Why are people so adamant about removing options?

Stop trying to take stuff away.

The premise was what we believe/think might be phased out. I personally would love to keep all options, get some back that were removed before as well as some new ones, but I accept that this would not make sense economically for GW

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Andykp wrote:
They’ve been around since the start. No reason at all to get rid, the guard has never been puritanical about psykers, the grunts might not like being around one but they don’t get a say. That’s life in the guard.

And judging by that unit entry, they could all be walking around with Chaos mutations! Bring that back!

It was a more fun time.

Andykp wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Andykp wrote:
They’ve been around since the start. No reason at all to get rid, the guard has never been puritanical about psykers, the grunts might not like being around one but they don’t get a say. That’s life in the guard.

And judging by that unit entry, they could all be walking around with Chaos mutations! Bring that back!

It was a more fun time.

It's definitely what I hoped the Crusade rules would bring back. The wild stuff like this.

There is a weird fascination with removing options from Guard for some reason.

 Pyroalchi wrote:
The premise was what we believe/think might be phased out. I personally would love to keep all options, get some back that were removed before as well as some new ones, but I accept that this would not make sense economically for GW

Indeed. I simply want to order soon to be retired IG kits before they vanish from circulation.