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So having just digested the last 6 or so pages the reveals are quite the mixed bag.

Biggest up was the new field artillery. Look excellent and add somthing new to the guard. A defensive unit that can hit more in the tank range but without the manuverability I can see some real use for. The only minor downer is the bigger Lascannon, I assume we are getting a new profile for that one as the current Lascannon is the same for tank or HWT.

I still can't see what role the Kasrkin furfil. If they are simply Vet models fair enough I can get behind that but they seem to be presented as if they are meant to be SpecOps. However the models don't really scream SpecOps to me, just slightly upgraded Cadians.

HWT, Shock Troops and Command Squad. This was always going to be a miss for me as I am halfway through building with the current kits and they are so starkly different I'm not going back now. No fault of the designers, I think the new models are wonderful simply bad timing on the redesign for me. HWT getting vox and Sgts is exciting however always thought them missing vox in particular was daft. Nice and easy to convert a few of the current modular kits up to include them.

Sentinel is just useless all round. The old kit didn't need a revamp so seems a waste of the designers time. New kit is plain ugly, more I see of it the worse it gets. That T-Rex arm style chainsword is hilarious.

Commisar whilst a static at least looks in line with the other models. The old one doesn't look like he has any business being in an AM force. Hopefully rules for them will be better this time around.

Castellan also looks like a bit of a waste of time. Having read the article on War Comm a few times I can't see how he is any different to a Company Commander. If anything he seems inferior to a CC. A CC has what appears to be the same load out and can take a Command Squad if they like which the article points out the Castellan cannot do.

So overall as a recent guard player this whole release wave has left me cold. Not enough new for me to be interested. However I am pleased the range has been updated for any starting the army from now on or who does have the time to update their infantry.

beast_gts wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I assumed by "Bombast" they were trying to invoke the term "Bombard", but different. I don't think the name is meant to imply on anything other than that, otherwise the dictionary definition of bombast is basically just "big talk with no meaning".

Bombard already exists, as both Self-propelled Artillery and a Weapon System (not that that's ever stopped GW before).

Spoiler:

Yes... thats because the term "Bombard" is that of an actual weapon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombard_(weapon)

Its a generic term thats not trademarkable. "Bombast", on the other hand, might be trademarkable.

Scorpionee wrote:
My personal pet pevee with this release - ironically, not actually directly related to this release - is the fact that after actual literal decades of waiting we finally got a plastic Traitor Guard kit, only for it to be rendered outdated within a few months by the fact the Guardsmen themselves were redesigned, making their Traitor counterparts look noticeably outdated, given they were based on the previous kit.

Different shoulderpad design, different helmet design, different chestplate design, different boot design, different belt design, no kneepads, no tactical webbing, no black-neck-scarf-thing, no backpacks redesigned bottom of the jacket so that it's now more detailed and actually looks like it's got pants underneath, instead of being a solid chunk - all of these combine to make the Traitor Guard look noticeably older than the Loyalist Guard, even though they were released barely a few months apart.

Theres different units in the Astra Militarum with different gear and equipment.

Scorpionee wrote:
For me, it's not a thing of it being strictly different, it's just that they seem less detailed. The shoulder pads are one solid chunk instead of being layered, the belt buckle is just a square, instead of several pieces with a skull detail, the bottom of the jacket is a solid piece instead of the more realistic way it looks on new Cadians, there's no ammo webbing, the chestplate is much simpler. To me, it just overall feels like it's less detailed, because it was based on a significantly older design, if you know what I mean.

The traitor guard minis give me more "We are conscripts using substandard hand-me-downs of the simplest possible design pulled from reserve stocks" vibes. The armor and equipment the traitor minis use works for them in terms of what they are supposed to be if you assume they don't have ready access to a logistical and industrial base and well developed lines of communication and supply.

A miniature earth shaker. Earth shakers can fire directo or indirect. Otherwise it would just be a fancy new heavy mortar.

I love how the officer with his pistol out has an entirely different holstered pistol because screw extra parts.

The Castellan looks more like a Commissar than the Commissar does. Nice enough model, though, tactical rock aside.


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 Platuan4th wrote:
I love how the officer with his pistol out has an entirely different holstered pistol because screw extra parts.

Will be interesting to see if he actually has the option to take two pistols...

I'm getting kind of tired of tactical rocks, especially when the models pose is based on them so that they look super awkward if you put them on most anything else...

Model looks nice enough, but I am really hoping alternate torso options are available. It is one of the things I like about the current command squad kit - 3 officer torsos, so you can have your Company Commander on one of 5 different leg sets, and then pick between 3 torsos to match it. It really helped to make them look different and not be all exactly the same.

Honestly the most exciting thing from this is seeing Nork, as it is making me hopeful that Ogryn Bodyguards are here to stay. Mostly for the selfish reason that over the past years I've kitbased together 3 of them.

 OldMate wrote:
A miniature earth shaker. Earth shakers can fire directo or indirect. Otherwise it would just be a fancy new heavy mortar.

An infantry support gun, like a 75mm Pack Howitzer M1 or 7.5 cm leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18.

I didn't catch this before and I'm kicking myself for it...


The Kantrael and new pattern Las-weapons are both on display in this image. It's not super obvious but maybe there's two different weapon options?

 Kanluwen wrote:
I didn't catch this before and I'm kicking myself for it...


The Kantrael and new pattern Las-weapons are both on display in this image. It's not super obvious but maybe there's two different weapon options?

Probably just aesthetically different, like how the you get different types of Bolters.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I didn't catch this before and I'm kicking myself for it...


The Kantrael and new pattern Las-weapons are both on display in this image. It's not super obvious but maybe there's two different weapon options?

It's funny how different people notice different things- the two lasrifle forms was one of the first things that popped out to me.

It may be lasrifles vs lascarbines or something, but I suspect they are still just lasguns with the identical barrel + powerpack segments. Only the rear and grip are different. I'm glad they kept some of the pistol grip weapons to prevent the older Cadian kits looking too different. As far as I am aware, Kantrael did not fall with Cadia, so both variants are probably still Kantrael patterns of lasgun. I don't see any reason that Cadians wouldn't still prefer Kantrael equipment if given the option.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's not super obvious but maybe there's two different weapon options?

Why would be there any weapon options when new IG squad has FOUR (that we can see) different lasgun patterns (see the super obvious completely new to plastic M1 carbine inspired one below)? It's obvious these are just aesthetic differences like SM bolters, new Cadians just look rag-tag and not so uniform now to denote their veteran status and destruction of their old supply base:

Sounds like an assault, rapid fire and heavy version of the lasgun, with only minor details to tell them apart.

 GaroRobe wrote:

Scorpionee wrote:
a plastic Traitor Guard kit, only for it to be rendered outdated within a few months by the fact the Guardsmen themselves were redesigned

but imperial guard regiments aren't restricted to only having the Cadian gear. The chestplate isn't the same as the old kit either. It's its own thing

Nor do Cadians have chainmail or forearm/gauntlet armor. The Blooded Traitor Guard kit look nothing like the old or new Cadians - I have a feeling the OP thought that all Guard across the entire Imperium all use the same uniform, and so should the Blooded, which is not the case.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sweet model. Implies further equipment options including Power Fist.

A Castellan may replace its Plasma Pistol and Power Sword with a Bolter or a Chainsword... but never both!

Nah. Given what we know so far, it will be:

The Castellan is armed with a Laspistol and a Chainsword.

The Chainsword may be replaced with a Power Sword, Power Fist, or Bolter

They may also be equipped with a Bolt Pistol or a Plasma Pistol

Plus any other options they are hiding from us. Naturally, no Castellan would go anywhere without his trusty Laspistol (that never leaves it's holster)

I like the las carbines. It was a goal of mine (that I never accomplished) to make a veteran squad with them but the only source was bits suppliers back in the day (pre-3d printing) at a couple bucks each when they were actually available. Same with goggle headed helmets unfortunately.

 alextroy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sweet model. Implies further equipment options including Power Fist.

A Castellan may replace its Plasma Pistol and Power Sword with a Bolter or a Chainsword... but never both!

Nah. Given what we know so far, it will be:

The Castellan is armed with a Laspistol and a Chainsword.

The Chainsword may be replaced with a Power Sword, Power Fist, or Bolter

They may also be equipped with a Bolt Pistol or a Plasma Pistol

Plus any other options they are hiding from us. Naturally, no Castellan would go anywhere without his trusty Laspistol (that never leaves it's holster)

Would be cool of GW’s adherence to models and rules let you gunslinger 2 pistols, instead of upgrading the holstered laspistol.

 Irbis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's not super obvious but maybe there's two different weapon options?

Why would be there any weapon options when new IG squad has FOUR (that we can see) different lasgun patterns (see the super obvious completely new to plastic M1 carbine inspired one below)? It's obvious these are just aesthetic differences like SM bolters, new Cadians just look rag-tag and not so uniform now to denote their veteran status and destruction of their old supply base:

I am pretty confident this is just a folding-stock variant of the standard Kantrael lasgun. Most lasgun patterns are pretty modular, a folding stock is a minor change. Whereas going from the pistol grip to a rifle grip changes more about the overall design. Still likely a variant Kantrael weapon though.

Isn't there a folding stock lasgun like this on the tank accessory sprue (it's with baggage & tin cups)?

I'm not sure if that one is more like the Steel Legion folding-stock lasguns.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/11/our-operatives-have-secured-images-of-the-new-kill-team-sprues/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=kill-team&utm_content=rumourengine111022

Sprues shown for the Kasrkins.

That's a *ton* of heads. Which makes me hopeful that it means everyone can have a full mask and helmet

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Isn't there a folding stock lasgun like this on the tank accessory sprue (it's with baggage & tin cups)?

I'm not sure if that one is more like the Steel Legion folding-stock lasguns.

That is a Voss-pattern yes, like the Steel Legion lasguns. Many of the Steel Legion models don't have the wire stocks, but I think that is due to casting limitations rather than reflective of what the weapons should look like. The barrel is more exposed than the Kantrael-pattern lasgun, similar to the Catachan carbines.


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 Bobthehero wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/11/our-operatives-have-secured-images-of-the-new-kill-team-sprues/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=kill-team&utm_content=rumourengine111022

Sprues shown for the Kasrkins.

That's a *ton* of heads. Which makes me hopeful that it means everyone can have a full mask and helmet

The rebreathers appear to be seperate pieces next to the heads. I count 12.

I also spy a Thomson-style autogun on the scenery sprue (weapon pile and one of the gun crates).

Probably the same gun one of the squad sergeants has in the Army Box image..

Its nice to see that the heads are ball and socket and the arms attach to flat planes just like the current modular plastic cadian infantry kit. I would assume the new infantry kit will follow the same modularity and posability.
The only problem I see is it would take a little cutting and filling to do alternative leg poses.
To be honest though. After having built plenty of the current plastic cadians over the years. There has never been much room for variation of the torso to the legs outside of a few degrees of rotation.

 Haighus wrote:


That's a *ton* of heads. Which makes me hopeful that it means everyone can have a full mask and helmet

The rebreathers appear to be seperate pieces next to the heads. I count 12.

 Haighus wrote:
I am pretty confident this is just a folding-stock variant of the standard Kantrael lasgun

Look at furniture, sights, and cowling style. This looks literally nothing like Kantrael, even the new Kantraels (?) with retconned separate handguard. If anything, it looks much closer to a Galaxy or Voss pattern than old Kantrael but it's not that either.

Those kits really seem like current traitor guard kits, with long necks, and two-part bodies. Interesting, as this suggests that both will have more compatibility than I first thought.

 alextroy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sweet model. Implies further equipment options including Power Fist.

A Castellan may replace its Plasma Pistol and Power Sword with a Bolter or a Chainsword... but never both!

Nah. Given what we know so far, it will be:

The Castellan is armed with a Laspistol and a Chainsword.

The Chainsword may be replaced with a Power Sword, Power Fist, or Bolter

They may also be equipped with a Bolt Pistol or a Plasma Pistol

Plus any other options they are hiding from us. Naturally, no Castellan would go anywhere without his trusty Laspistol (that never leaves it's holster)

It's possible to carry two pistols you know. Plasma is a wider pistol and more cumbersome and wouldn't necessarily need a holster, when it can just be carried and discarded once it ceases function.

Discarding your weapon - not least a sacred relic plasma weapon is a capitol offence, Guardsman.

On a side note:


Someone complained above look (collar sticking out of breastplate, breastplate with rounded bottom and extra plate beneath, split shoulderpads with arm plates, armored belt buckle with winged skull, straps on shoulders, knee protectors, etc, etc) is a big change from current Cadian models. And that is certainly true, but I realized I saw it somewhere before - as this is almost exactly the gear of Lt Mira from Space Marine. If both the game and new models are based on concept art of updated Guard, GW sat on it for over a decade before finally deciding to act on it:

 Irbis wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I am pretty confident this is just a folding-stock variant of the standard Kantrael lasgun

Look at furniture, sights, and cowling style. This looks literally nothing like Kantrael, even the new Kantraels (?) with retconned separate handguard. If anything, it looks much closer to a Galaxy or Voss pattern than old Kantrael but it's not that either.

This shares much less in common with a voss or galaxy. A voss has a folding stock, but the stock fold under the weapon so as not to interfere with the sights, and has standard lasgun sights. It also has considerably more barrel protruding from the shroud, as well as having a more substantial supporting tube beneath. The galaxy is similar, minus the folding stock.

This gun looks like the new "kantrael" with the sights removed to accommodate the folding stock (which folds upwards). The barrel shroud is the same length, and is the same length as the existing kantrael lasguns. The only difference in the shrouds is the grip has a different shape on the folding model.


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 Irbis wrote:
On a side note:

Spoiler:

Someone complained above look (collar sticking out of breastplate, breastplate with rounded bottom and extra plate beneath, split shoulderpads with arm plates, armored belt buckle with winged skull, straps on shoulders, knee protectors, etc, etc) is a big change from current Cadian models. And that is certainly true, but I realized I saw it somewhere before - as this is almost exactly the gear of Lt Mira from Space Marine. If both the game and new models are based on concept art of updated Guard, GW sat on it for over a decade before finally deciding to act on it:

Spoiler:

I suspect both are refencing the old 2nd edition metal Cadians, which have a lot more similarities with the new kits compared to the previous plastics.


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 Bobthehero wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

That's a *ton* of heads. Which makes me hopeful that it means everyone can have a full mask and helmet

The rebreathers appear to be seperate pieces next to the heads. I count 12.

Granted I've only seen the pictures on my phone atm, so, I may have confused some elements. Or did you mean 12 rebreathers? Because I count 26 heads

Look next to the 26 heads on the sprue- there are 12 small pieces. I think they are rebreathers you attach to the heads.

 Haighus wrote:

I suspect both are refencing the old 2nd edition metal Cadians, which have a lot more similarities with the new kits compared to the previous plastics.

I can't see any similarities other than the rolled-up sleeves on one of the troopers.