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 AtoMaki wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

I suspect both are refencing the old 2nd edition metal Cadians, which have a lot more similarities with the new kits compared to the previous plastics.

I can't see any similarities other than the rolled-up sleeves on one of the troopers.

It is the more rounded helmets, and the shorter, more curved breastplate. It gives me the impression the designer tried to fuse the 2nd ed metals and 3rd ed plastics together with modern detail levels. Then added kneepads for some reason...

I am not sure if this has been mentioned but GW confirmed on FB that new Heavy Weapon Teams are on 50mm round bases. Looks like my eagle eyes were correct.

 Haighus wrote:
Look next to the 26 heads on the sprue- there are 12 small pieces. I think they are rebreathers you attach to the heads.

Yup, I misinterpreted your post at first, I thought you meant there were only 12 heads.

 Haighus wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

I suspect both are refencing the old 2nd edition metal Cadians, which have a lot more similarities with the new kits compared to the previous plastics.

I can't see any similarities other than the rolled-up sleeves on one of the troopers.

It is the more rounded helmets, and the shorter, more curved breastplate. It gives me the impression the designer tried to fuse the 2nd ed metals and 3rd ed plastics together with modern detail levels. Then added kneepads for some reason...

Spoiler:

An army can't move on bad knees.

 Haighus wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

I suspect both are refencing the old 2nd edition metal Cadians, which have a lot more similarities with the new kits compared to the previous plastics.

I can't see any similarities other than the rolled-up sleeves on one of the troopers.

It is the more rounded helmets, and the shorter, more curved breastplate. It gives me the impression the designer tried to fuse the 2nd ed metals and 3rd ed plastics together with modern detail levels. Then added kneepads for some reason...

Spoiler:

As far as I can tell, the Castellan is literally just a detailed-up version of the metal Cadian Captain. I can't see anything even distantly resembling any of the 2ed models. The new models are just the 3.5+ models but with more detail and GWs new affinity for more rounded edges. Except the aforementioned rolled-up sleeves, of course. Maybe the hats kinda look alike too? But I think the hats are recycled assets from the new Catachan models rather than a reference to the single 2nd ed Cadian model that has a hat.

 Haighus wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I am pretty confident this is just a folding-stock variant of the standard Kantrael lasgun

Look at furniture, sights, and cowling style. This looks literally nothing like Kantrael, even the new Kantraels (?) with retconned separate handguard. If anything, it looks much closer to a Galaxy or Voss pattern than old Kantrael but it's not that either.

This shares much less in common with a voss or galaxy. A voss has a folding stock, but the stock fold under the weapon so as not to interfere with the sights, and has standard lasgun sights. It also has considerably more barrel protruding from the shroud, as well as having a more substantial supporting tube beneath. The galaxy is similar, minus the folding stock.

This gun looks like the new "kantrael" with the sights removed to accommodate the folding stock (which folds upwards). The barrel shroud is the same length, and is the same length as the existing kantrael lasguns. The only difference in the shrouds is the grip has a different shape on the folding model.

Looks pretty different to me. Maybe not in terms of "pattern" but certainly in terms of use case (shorter and no optics for example). Whether that translates to different rules remains to be seen, but I wouldn't discount it yet.

 Bobthehero wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/11/our-operatives-have-secured-images-of-the-new-kill-team-sprues/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=kill-team&utm_content=rumourengine111022

Sprues shown for the Kasrkins.

That's a *ton* of heads. Which makes me hopeful that it means everyone can have a full mask and helmet

There's 10 "22" heads, which probably couple with the masks.

jullevi wrote:
I am not sure if this has been mentioned but GW confirmed on FB that new Heavy Weapon Teams are on 50mm round bases. Looks like my eagle eyes were correct.

I'm generally the type to get mad about having to rebase things, but for the 60mm heavy weapon team bases despite how cool they look and how good they are at being little dioramas, 60mm is so freaking big compared to the rest of the squad and compared to the 25mmx50mm cavalry bases heavy weapons teams were based on in ancient times. 50mm will be a lot more manageable for putting heavy weapon squads in cover and such. Kind of happy about that change.

Super sucks for everyone who has finished, nice 60mm heavy weapon team bases though.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

I suspect both are refencing the old 2nd edition metal Cadians, which have a lot more similarities with the new kits compared to the previous plastics.

I can't see any similarities other than the rolled-up sleeves on one of the troopers.

It is the more rounded helmets, and the shorter, more curved breastplate. It gives me the impression the designer tried to fuse the 2nd ed metals and 3rd ed plastics together with modern detail levels. Then added kneepads for some reason...

Spoiler:

As far as I can tell, the Castellan is literally just a detailed-up version of the metal Cadian Captain. I can't see anything even distantly resembling any of the 2ed models. The new models are just the 3.5+ models but with more detail and GWs new affinity for more rounded edges. Except the aforementioned rolled-up sleeves, of course. Maybe the hats kinda look alike too? But I think the hats are recycled assets from the new Catachan models rather than a reference to the single 2nd ed Cadian model that has a hat.

The new cadian troops have details that refrence back to the 2nd ed models. The helmets in particular, in addition to the return of shoulder straps(ww2/vietnam style web gear) for back packs and such much like the old models, but the shoulder pads are more rounded than the 2nd ed models. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/a/ab/Cadians2nd.jpg/800px-Cadians2nd.jpg

Love the look of the new iron sight las gun, has a very m14 look to it. I'm really tempted to grab a box if someone makes american ww2 helmet head swaps for them.

 fox-light713 wrote:

The new cadian troops have details that refrence back to the 2nd ed models. The helmets in particular, in addition to the return of shoulder straps(ww2/vietnam style web gear) for back packs and such much like the old models

I can't see any of these. Especially the webbing, it looked totally different on the 2nd ed models. I don't think it is a reference at all, it is just supposed to be the backpack straps (you can see it on the box art) but because separate straps for backpacks are obviously a no-go from a design standpoint they stuck them on the torso and called it a day. The Field Ordnance Battery crew that don't get backpacks don't get the straps either.

I will not rebase a damn thing.

Anyone know what size the 3 man cannons are on?

I believe I heard them mention 100mm bases on stream?

Does anyone know off hand how long between the reveal of the Votaan Boxset and the release was? I'm attempting to budget for this box set.

Was just a week if memory serves.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Was just a week if memory serves.

Hmm. Well that will be interesting. I'll start setting some exta cash aside. These models look just too good for me to pass on em.

Do the new infantry models use the same size bases as the old Cadian Shock Troops?

I think they said that the squad is on the same base, but the Command Squad is on slightly larger ones because... reasons...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think they said that the squad is on the same base, but the Command Squad is on slightly larger ones because... reasons...

AM adopting Orkish hierarchy conventions. It was only a matter of time.

Huh, does anybody see any repeat poses on the Kasrkin? Looks like 10 unique torso/leg sets. That is nice if so, as it looks like the arms are interchangeable between the models (unless the backpacks with cables are also uniquely sculpted for each back). That could give a nice variety to the kit then, since none of the poses are super crazy. I'm hoping the heads are a bit more workable than the traitor guard ones - those had kind of awkwardly shaped bulbs that made it harder to angle around (or use on other kits) without playing with a knife and a bit of greenstuff.

Also nice on getting volley guns in the kit, glad I never got around to my plan of slicing up a handful of them and awkwardly setting them onto my metals now.

Any hints as to if we can buy these seperately instead of having to commit to the entire killteam box?

menziez wrote:
Any hints as to if we can buy these seperately instead of having to commit to the entire killteam box?

All the other killteam box set groups got released separately a few months later. If you are patient then yes you can. Or if you are impatient you will probably find them on ebay in short order.

I have maybe 100 metal Kasrkin and 20-30 old metal Stormtroopers.

Been working on plastic kitbash stormtroopers for 1 reason: the single pose pointing down for plasmagunners for Kasrkin.

And what does it look like for the plastics.......

GRRRRRR

And it also looks like you may not be able to cut and replace a plastic plasma gun in.....

I may break down and go an alternate route for plasmagunners that match the Kasrkin....

So Kasrkin squads, 2 special weapons or 4? Anyone know?

Troops or elite?

For context Scions can get 2 special weapons in undersized squads, 4 in full sized.

Asking for my Arbites.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Troops or elite?

OK_E basically said they were Elites earlier this year. The quote was something like "don't bother painting more than 30".

IIRC Scions are Troops though, and I doubt it would be an issue to use Kasrkin models for them 99% of the time.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So Kasrkin squads, 2 special weapons or 4? Anyone know?

Troops or elite?

For context Scions can get 2 special weapons in undersized squads, 4 in full sized.

Asking for my Arbites.

Shadowvault has 2 of each special weapon so presumably they're following Scions with the option for 1 every 5.

Troops would be consistent with EoT/3.5 but with ObSec going to other ForceOrg slots these days maybe they'll be Elite with ObSec.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So Kasrkin squads, 2 special weapons or 4? Anyone know?

Troops or elite?

For context Scions can get 2 special weapons in undersized squads, 4 in full sized.

Asking for my Arbites.

Shadowvault has 2 of each special weapon so presumably they're following Scions with the option for 1 every 5.

Troops would be consistent with EoT/3.5 but with ObSec going to other ForceOrg slots these days maybe they'll be Elite with ObSec.

Kasrkin were only troops in 3.5 if you used the Grenadiers doctrine (which allowed you to take up to three stormtrooper squads as troops, although they lost the deepstrike and infiltrate rules). Otherwise they were elites using the stormtroopers unit entry. Don't know about EoT.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So Kasrkin squads, 2 special weapons or 4? Anyone know?

Troops or elite?

For context Scions can get 2 special weapons in undersized squads, 4 in full sized.

Asking for my Arbites.

Shadowvault has 2 of each special weapon so presumably they're following Scions with the option for 1 every 5.

Troops would be consistent with EoT/3.5 but with ObSec going to other ForceOrg slots these days maybe they'll be Elite with ObSec.

Sprues can be seen here, and I’m counting two Plasma, Flamer, Melta, Launcher, but only seeing one Longlas equivalent? Might just be me not identifying a second Longlas, so try your own eyes

Forgot the link like a doofus https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/11/our-operatives-have-secured-images-of-the-new-kill-team-sprues/

I wonder if IG will go back to platoons or units will grow up to 20 guardsman strong like every other non power armor codex?

M.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So Kasrkin squads, 2 special weapons or 4? Anyone know?

Troops or elite?

For context Scions can get 2 special weapons in undersized squads, 4 in full sized.

Asking for my Arbites.

Shadowvault has 2 of each special weapon so presumably they're following Scions with the option for 1 every 5.

Troops would be consistent with EoT/3.5 but with ObSec going to other ForceOrg slots these days maybe they'll be Elite with ObSec.

Sprues can be seen here, and I’m counting two Plasma, Flamer, Melta, Launcher, but only seeing one Longlas equivalent? Might just be me not identifying a second Longlas, so try your own eyes

Forgot the link like a doofus https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/11/our-operatives-have-secured-images-of-the-new-kill-team-sprues/

I dunno if the Longlas is a Kill Team option, rather than a special weapon choice for 40k proper? I dunno if the more kill team options (sniper, vox, medic, 2 knife dude that’s been in almost every set) make it to 40k. There’s definitely only one of them anyway, they specify in the article that there’s 2 of the others but don’t mention it there.

The article does mention One Marksman, so that explains it. Probably.