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**Insularum**

Dirk Reinecke wrote:
So various Youtubers are doing reviews, and the rules for the Death Korps is just weird. By default you have 8 Guardmens, 1 Plasma Gunner and 1 Sargeant. It lists that you can take two special weapons, (but it lists no Plasma Guns). Then it says that you can replace the Plasma gun with a vox?

So you can have 2 special weapons + plasma but no vox, or 2 specials but no plasma + vox.

Why would they do that? It isn't no model no rules, as the kit doesn't come with 2 special weapons of one type. It also says that you can't take more than 2 of the same special weapon (they also have this on the Cadian Shock Troops).

Very strange wording.

Vox bro/plasma gunner is built off the same model - officially you cannot build both out of the same box. There is no limit to how nitpicky NMNR based datasheets can go.

**Agamemnon2**

What the hell is wrong with these people?

**GiToRaZor**

Did anyone have a chance to read the background section yet? I increasingly doubt I'm interested in the rules to play 40K before 10th even with a new dex. But I might grab a copy to read the current fluff section. That is, if it has any worth to it. If it's just one giant Cadian fan article I'll pass. There's only 10million left of them (according to the not very well written Cadia Stands book, or was that retconned), anything but a reservation is propaganda.

**H.B.M.C.**

Dirk Reinecke wrote:
Why would they do that?

No model.
No rule.

**Lord Damocles**

No!
WAIT AND SEE!

**Shakalooloo**

GiToRaZor wrote:
Did anyone have a chance to read the background section yet? I increasingly doubt I'm interested in the rules to play 40K before 10th even with a new dex. But I might grab a copy to read the current fluff section. That is, if it has any worth to it. If it's just one giant Cadian fan article I'll pass. There's only 10million left of them (according to the not very well written Cadia Stands book, or was that retconned), anything but a reservation is propaganda.

So far, every 9th edition Codex has decreased background page count from 8th, and with bigger pictures taking up more space on those pages. New stuff - I imagine - will be limited to blurbs on the new special characters, a battlezone writeup and the death of Yarrick.

**Iracundus**

Lord Damocles wrote:
Voss wrote:
Makari isn't a single gretchin. Its just what Ghaz calls the closest one. Several have been shot or eaten over the years.

Which, incidentally, is also dumb. Ghaz just happens to be surrounded by incredibly lucky grots (except for when Da Lucky Stik was available to any warboss, I guess)..? So there was - and is - nothing particularly special about either the original character nor the current one.

The Black Library Ghazghkull Thraka book shows Makari to be the same soul reincarnated repeatedly into different Grot bodies, and sometimes surfacing only later in the Grot's life.

**Kanluwen**

Insularum wrote:
Vox bro/plasma gunner is built off the same model - officially you cannot build both out of the same box. There is no limit to how nitpicky NMNR based datasheets can go.

You absolutely can build both out of the same box. Unless they remove the Kill Team sprue from the retail release, there's a second setup labeled as a "spotter veteran" which includes a slimmer Vox-Caster intended for a kneeling body.

**Lord Damocles**

Iracundus wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
Voss wrote:
Makari isn't a single gretchin. Its just what Ghaz calls the closest one. Several have been shot or eaten over the years.

Which, incidentally, is also dumb. Ghaz just happens to be surrounded by incredibly lucky grots (except for when Da Lucky Stik was available to any warboss, I guess)..? So there was - and is - nothing particularly special about either the original character nor the current one.

The Black Library Ghazghkull Thraka book shows Makari to be the same soul reincarnated repeatedly into different Grot bodies, and sometimes surfacing only later in the Grot's life.

It just gets worse

**Insularum**

Kanluwen wrote:
Insularum wrote:
Vox bro/plasma gunner is built off the same model - officially you cannot build both out of the same box. There is no limit to how nitpicky NMNR based datasheets can go.

You absolutely can build both out of the same box. Unless they remove the Kill Team sprue from the retail release, there's a second setup labeled as a "spotter veteran" which includes a slimmer Vox-Caster intended for a kneeling body.

Is there another instruction manual than this one?

https://webuywargames.co.uk/products/kill-team-octarius-warhammer-40k-death-korps-of-krieg-x-10-new-on-sprue?variant=39414119759961

I don't doubt for a second that you can build this any way you want, but the rules match the manual.

*edit - the instructions also show that the melta/plasma is interchangeable so maybe I'm wrong, but the only vox bro is on a plasma dude option.

**ccs**

Olthannon wrote:
alphaecho wrote:
Olthannon wrote:
Strg Alt wrote:

It´s not stupidity but greed. Scale creep has been implemented to nudge hobbyists into burning their vintage Cadians and jump onto the hype train to buy the new Cadia box.

I'm sorry but why would collectors of models that are representing regular humans who would be different heights go and burn their other models?

It might be worth asking the Dark Eldar player who burnt his models and placed the video on Youtube as to what can drive someone to do that.

I'm not sure what asking a clown for clarity would provide me.

Well, if the stuff he burnt were the original 3e sculpts, then nothing much was lost while everyone else got a good laugh.

**Kanluwen**

Insularum wrote:
Is there another instruction manual than this one?

https://webuywargames.co.uk/products/kill-team-octarius-warhammer-40k-death-korps-of-krieg-x-10-new-on-sprue?variant=39414119759961

I don't doubt for a second that you can build this any way you want, but the rules match the manual.

*edit - the instructions also show that the melta/plasma is interchangeable so maybe I'm wrong, but the only vox bro is on a plasma dude option.

The instructions don't tend to show you all the variations anymore. Especially for KT products.

**H.B.M.C.**

Iracundus wrote:
The Black Library Ghazghkull Thraka book shows Makari to be the same soul reincarnated repeatedly into different Grot bodies, and sometimes surfacing only later in the Grot's life.

Another one of those wonderful "Why explaining things often ruins the mystery" examples.

**Crimson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
The Black Library Ghazghkull Thraka book shows Makari to be the same soul reincarnated repeatedly into different Grot bodies, and sometimes surfacing only later in the Grot's life.
Another one of those wonderful "Why explaining things often ruins the mystery" examples.

Isn't doing that basically Black Library's raison d'être?

**Scottywan82**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
What the hell is wrong with these people?

A lot of things, I suspect. Whoever made this a game-wide decision should be embarrassed for themselves.

**Haighus**

The DKoK wording is an abomination. As mentioned, there are two voxes on the DKoK sprue- the one on the main sprue fits the kneeling legs

The larger vox is actually from the extra sprue, and likely to disappear if the squad gets a non-Kill team release. This vox looks more like some kind of master vox rather than the standard DKoK model.

**Platuan4th**

chaos0xomega wrote:

He doesn't have to, the setting of the game is still officially some point in M41 thanks to convoluted retcons and warp-<removed>.

Not only is that NOT true, there's literally a new dating system for events relative to the Rift opening that place them in M42. The retcon was only in relation to how long after the end of M41 everything takes places(~25 years vs the near 100-150 first suggested).

**H.B.M.C.**

It also doesn't really address the core point, and is more of a nit-pick/red herring.

Haighus wrote:
The DKoK wording is an abomination.

Most modern unit entries are.

Haighus wrote:
The larger vox is actually from the extra sprue, and likely to disappear if the squad gets a non-Kill team release. This vox looks more like some kind of master vox rather than the standard DKoK model.

Yeah, that sprue won't be part of the general release box. The box will be marginally cheaper, and not have those extras.

I imagine the same thing will be true for the Traitor Guard, as they can't be boxed with the Corrupted Commissar/Mutant Ogryn forever.

**Haighus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It also doesn't really address the core point, and is more of a nit-pick/red herring.

Haighus wrote:
The DKoK wording is an abomination.
Most modern unit entries are.

It is just especially bad when it doesn't even match the basic sprue, but only the instruction booklet.

Are we now heading to no instructions no rules?

**Gadzilla666**

Haighus wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
It also doesn't really address the core point, and is more of a nit-pick/red herring.

Haighus wrote:
The DKoK wording is an abomination.
Most modern unit entries are.

It is just especially bad when it doesn't even match the basic sprue, but only the instruction booklet.

Are we now heading to no instructions no rules?

Raptor Aspiring Champions say "Hi".

**Haighus**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Haighus wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
It also doesn't really address the core point, and is more of a nit-pick/red herring.

Haighus wrote:
The DKoK wording is an abomination.
Most modern unit entries are.

It is just especially bad when it doesn't even match the basic sprue, but only the instruction booklet.

Are we now heading to no instructions no rules?

Raptor Aspiring Champions say "Hi".

What is the deal with Raptor champions?

**JNAProductions**

Haighus wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Haighus wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
It also doesn't really address the core point, and is more of a nit-pick/red herring.

Haighus wrote:
The DKoK wording is an abomination.
Most modern unit entries are.

It is just especially bad when it doesn't even match the basic sprue, but only the instruction booklet.

Are we now heading to no instructions no rules?

Raptor Aspiring Champions say "Hi".

What is the deal with Raptor champions?

No option for them to have Lightning Claws.

**Gadzilla666**

JNAProductions wrote:
Haighus wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Haighus wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
It also doesn't really address the core point, and is more of a nit-pick/red herring.

Haighus wrote:
The DKoK wording is an abomination.
Most modern unit entries are.

It is just especially bad when it doesn't even match the basic sprue, but only the instruction booklet.

Are we now heading to no instructions no rules?

Raptor Aspiring Champions say "Hi".

What is the deal with Raptor champions?
No option for them to have Lightning Claws.

And there's ten of them in the kit.

**H.B.M.C.**

But they're "Warp Claws" or some other such nonsense now, which is totally not all the same thing even though it was when the kit was made...

**Platuan4th**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
But they're "Warp Claws" or some other such nonsense now, which is totally not all the same thing even though it was when the kit was made...

Are you suggesting the past exists beyond something to mine Nostalgia Dollars from?

**Miguelsan**

So we will be able to horde with platoons, right?
Eldar can go up to 20, Necron can go up to 20, OK can go up to 30
IG? Nope, platoon is a worthless keyword for orders. Go buy more Kasrkin.
I'm beyond disgusted with this codex.

M.

**gungo**

Grimtuff wrote:
GiToRaZor wrote:
gungo wrote:
Wasn’t marbo and harker created for the third Ed catachan book. Yarrick was around in 2nd edition… the only other 2nd Ed character I remember was nork dedog.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Astra_Militarum

If I see that correctly, then Yarrick was even Rogue Trader era. The now retired model is from Codex Armageddon. But you know who is also still able to be bought and dates back to 3rd? Gaunt and his Ghosts. And they are 99.999999% chance dead. The sabbat crusade was hundreds of years ago. And I doubt Abnett will warp teleport them into M42.

Maybe we are lucky, Armageddon seems to be a warzone in the future with Angron. Maybe we get new Steel Legion Models at least. Or they blow up the planet and pretend the Steel Legion never existed from there on.

Well that list is a bit wrong. The Nork Deddog mini, demo charge Catachans and the tank crews are from 3rd edition, not 2nd. The Sanctioned psykers are from the second 3rd ed codex, not the first...

Nork was definitely 2nd Ed… I started playing then and got him and several ogryns for my ork army (when orks could use ogryns) and for use in my steel legion army.

**Platuan4th**

gungo wrote:

Nork was definitely 2nd Ed… I started playing then and got him and several ogryns for my ork army (when orks could use ogryns) and for use in my steel legion army.

Nork had rules in 2nd ed, but neither Nork(released in 2000) nor Steel Legion(also released in 2000) had models until 3rd(released in '98).

**BlackoCatto**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, the same insanity that was applied to the CSM codex has also been applied to the Guard Codex. Lovely. /s

Except where with CSM their was seemingly some love, their is none here. Maybe units have been improved or fixed up, but the soul is withered and dead.

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GiToRaZor wrote:
Did anyone have a chance to read the background section yet? I increasingly doubt I'm interested in the rules to play 40K before 10th even with a new dex. But I might grab a copy to read the current fluff section. That is, if it has any worth to it. If it's just one giant Cadian fan article I'll pass. There's only 10million left of them (according to the not very well written Cadia Stands book, or was that retconned), anything but a reservation is propaganda.

It's definitely that. Many of the other regiments are spoke of in passing but barely spoke of. It's the Cadian show, and they don't even do a good job of even that.

**Gadzilla666**

BlackoCatto wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, the same insanity that was applied to the CSM codex has also been applied to the Guard Codex. Lovely. /s

Except where with CSM their was seemingly some love, their is none here. Maybe units have been improved or fixed up, but the soul is withered and dead.

I'm sorry, you seem to have forgotten to add a "/s" after your first sentence to show that you were being sarcastic.

Wait.......were you, being........serious?