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The old ones, while nice, were just three Heavy Weapon Team sprue sets in one box.

I kinda dig this setup. Bonus points in that the new Cadian Upgrade frame includes two sets of legs that could be used for mortars.

That Heavy Weapon Team sprue is absolute madness.

The simple elegance of the previous one has been thrown completely out the window in favour or more and more and more bits.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For posterity's sake, the Leman Russ is AUD$89, and the Baneblade is AUD$165.

Let's see what they are come Saturday.

Ok, so the Leman Russ has gone up to AUD$98 (+10%), and the Baneblade is now AUD$180 (+9%).

I'm probably starting to sound old or something but to the Aussies on here... Is anyone else shocked or surprised at the pricing today?

The Astra Militarum units just seem pretty high to me, compared to previous costs. I expected things to go up but looking at other armies etc I'm just a bit confused. That Leontus is $98, Creed is $77, Rogal Dorn battle tank is $150 when for $30 more you can get a Baneblade for $180. The field ordnance is $90.

For an army that traditionally used lots of figures it seems a pretty high $ cost. $84 for an infantry unit of 10 figures.

Edit in advance, I'm probably a bit out of touch.

You're not. The prices are absolutely absurd.

The $77 for Creed is a big sting, but at the same time I thought the Rogal Dorn would be priced like the Kratos (which is over $200).

Sure GW, I totally believe you that the Rogal dorn is 190mm wide while the Baneblade is only 170mm

It says base. Mistake or new paradigm at GW?

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:
It says base. Mistake or new paradigm at GW?

M.

Given that I don't think we've seen a single image of that tank on a base - and that the Baneblade image doesn't say base - and I'm going to go with that usage (and the measurement itself) being a mistake.

Remember when GW claimed a 4 foot Squat translates to 1.4m in height? How a new Squat is totally in scale with a Primaris if you photoshop them so the bases aren't on the same level? Remember how GW hires for attitude, not skill?

Come on. They're just bad at this. That's all the explanation that's needed.

And here comes my unboxing & review of the new Rogal Dorn Battle Tank & Cadian Heavy Weapons Squad.



The review incl. high-res sprue pics, all assembly options, and a look at the amazing new vehicle transfer sheet!

https://taleofpainters.com/2023/01/review-rogal-dorn-battle-tank-cadian-heavy-weapon-squad/

Can you confirm the width of the Rogal Dorn, stahly?

I expected to start my Saturday morning with stahly review of new kits and I was not disappointed

The difficult question still remains, whether to invest into new Astra Militarum army or not. The modelling options are tempting and I haven't started any Wh40k armies this year

 Dysartes wrote:
Can you confirm the width of the Rogal Dorn, stahly?

Sorry, I haven't got it assembled yet. I can just confirm that the underside is open, so you can look all the way inside the model when you turn it upside-down

That sounds weird!

Quick look at the sprues. So the Leman Russ has 3 sprues - the tracks & one for each of the previous SKU.

Another set of tracks and one could build another Russ.

Also, the pricing is completely insane for what should be the most infantry-based army... and €35 for Ursula is just nuts.

@stahly can't thank you enough

Guess HBMC finally gets his Flintstones car from GW...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That sounds weird!

Weird is a polite way of putting it, but not really applicable here. It's quite logical. GW wants an embiggened tank but doesn't want to cut more molds for it. GW sprues these days are packed and a denser parts layout isn't practical. So how do you get a bigger model on the sprues without exceeding the accounting approved number of sprues for a kit of that size? You leave out parts. Usually that's weapon or customization options, but in the case of a tank the bottom hull plate is so large that dropping half the weapon options may still not make enough room. So something that is reasoned as not being visible anyway gets dropped instead.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That sounds weird!

Saves on material cost, which over a large amount of production can save real $$$. That way they can pass the savings onto the customers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That way they can pass the savings onto the customers.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment...

 Haighus wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That way they can pass the savings onto the customers.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment...

It's clearly because they hate Aussies so much: they want to provide nooks and crannies where venomous spiders can lurk and bite the unaware Guard players

 stahly wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Can you confirm the width of the Rogal Dorn, stahly?

Sorry, I haven't got it assembled yet. I can just confirm that the underside is open, so you can look all the way inside the model when you turn it upside-down

No fookin' way .

 AtoMaki wrote:

 stahly wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Can you confirm the width of the Rogal Dorn, stahly?

Sorry, I haven't got it assembled yet. I can just confirm that the underside is open, so you can look all the way inside the model when you turn it upside-down

No fookin' way .

I mean, why not if it saves another sprue? It would not be visible in normal circumstances, and even if it were, it would be a mostly featureless armour plate anyway. If that plate ultimately costs 15$, good for them to leave it out You can always glue a square of plastic card in there for a few cents without looking much worse than the 'proper' piece would have looked.

 necrontyrOG wrote:
How are there more Tanith transfers than Mordian? One planet still exists and actually used vehicles...

Novel series that makes them massively popular and actual models in the Guard range perhaps?

 Gert wrote:

 necrontyrOG wrote:
How are there more Tanith transfers than Mordian? One planet still exists and actually used vehicles...

Novel series that makes them massively popular and actual models in the Guard range perhaps?

I would agree for an infantry transfer sheet, but this is a vehicle one. The Tanith 1st are famously light infantry (defined by its lack of any vehicles, including Chimeras) and have no need for vehicle transfers. Likewise, there are no current Mordian infantry models, but painting a tank in Mordian colours is easy.

Maybe they should have provided Narmenian transfers on the tank decal sheet.

 Haighus wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 necrontyrOG wrote:
How are there more Tanith transfers than Mordian? One planet still exists and actually used vehicles...

Novel series that makes them massively popular and actual models in the Guard range perhaps?

I would agree for an infantry transfer sheet, but this is a vehicle one. The Tanith 1st are famously light infantry (defined by its lack of any vehicles, including Chimeras) and have no need for vehicle transfers. Likewise, there are no current Mordian infantry models, but painting a tank in Mordian colours is easy.

Maybe they should have provided Narmenian transfers on the tank decal sheet.

The design process for this transfer sheet probably amounted to ''Stick as many trademarked terms on there as possible if you have any space left over'', i would not lose sleep over it.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 necrontyrOG wrote:
How are there more Tanith transfers than Mordian? One planet still exists and actually used vehicles...

Novel series that makes them massively popular and actual models in the Guard range perhaps?

I would agree for an infantry transfer sheet, but this is a vehicle one. The Tanith 1st are famously light infantry (defined by its lack of any vehicles, including Chimeras) and have no need for vehicle transfers. Likewise, there are no current Mordian infantry models, but painting a tank in Mordian colours is easy.

Maybe they should have provided Narmenian transfers on the tank decal sheet.

The design process for this transfer sheet probably amounted to ''Stick as many trademarked terms on there as possible if you have any space left over'', i would not lose sleep over it.

Agree on that! I would be salty about having a single Armageddon transfer for the world known for building tanks, but I have so many old sheets it will never be an issue for me personally.

 Haighus wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 necrontyrOG wrote:
How are there more Tanith transfers than Mordian? One planet still exists and actually used vehicles...

Novel series that makes them massively popular and actual models in the Guard range perhaps?

I would agree for an infantry transfer sheet, but this is a vehicle one. The Tanith 1st are famously light infantry (defined by its lack of any vehicles, including Chimeras) and have no need for vehicle transfers.

So are the Catachans and yet... right there on the sheet.

Maybe they should have provided Narmenian transfers on the tank decal sheet.

Or they put a single Tanith bit on there so players could do what they want, given the codex suggests that the Tanith have been absorbing regiments they've worked with?

I see no qualms with, say, Tanith Sentinels becoming a thing.

Likewise, there are no current Mordian infantry models, but painting a tank in Mordian colours is easy.

False equivalence. Mordian infantry would get their own transfer sheet, like DKoK and Cadians each have.

Just to point out that the Tanith 1st was formed as a Light Infantry Regiment but that was around about 765.M41. By 999.M41 it's entirely reasonable to say that with both Verghast and Belladon providing more troops to the Tanith Regiment that they no longer exclusively field recon and infiltration soldiers. The founders would be long dead but the Regiment would keep on going, especially as it had reached such a famous and respected position within the Sabbat Crusade.

Despite the wall of text below, I really don't care about the Tanith transfers much. It is mainly annoying from an opportunity cost perspective- something more likely to be used could have gone there instead (like some of the removed campaign/army badges).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 necrontyrOG wrote:
How are there more Tanith transfers than Mordian? One planet still exists and actually used vehicles...

Novel series that makes them massively popular and actual models in the Guard range perhaps?

I would agree for an infantry transfer sheet, but this is a vehicle one. The Tanith 1st are famously light infantry (defined by its lack of any vehicles, including Chimeras) and have no need for vehicle transfers.

So are the Catachans and yet... right there on the sheet.

You know that isn't the same- there are at least a thousand and fourteen Catachan regiments and many are full armoured regiments, they don't just produce light-infantry jungle fighters. The tank kits even include Catachan crew parts.

There is a single regiment of Tanith light infantry, and no more will ever be raised as the planet is destroyed and does not have the reputation or numbers of a world like Cadia.

Maybe they should have provided Narmenian transfers on the tank decal sheet.

Or they put a single Tanith bit on there so players could do what they want, given the codex suggests that the Tanith have been absorbing regiments they've worked with?

I see no qualms with, say, Tanith Sentinels becoming a thing.

Sentinels are a fair point, not sure if that transfer is small enough for them though.

Likewise, there are no current Mordian infantry models, but painting a tank in Mordian colours is easy.

False equivalence. Mordian infantry would get their own transfer sheet, like DKoK and Cadians each have.

It isn't a false equivalence- the argument was that Tanith have models and Mordian don't, therefore Tanith transfers are more justified than Mordian ones. Except Mordian armoured do have models in the existing tank range, and Tanith vehicles currently are not a thing.


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 Gert wrote:
Just to point out that the Tanith 1st was formed as a Light Infantry Regiment but that was around about 765.M41. By 999.M41 it's entirely reasonable to say that with both Verghast and Belladon providing more troops to the Tanith Regiment that they no longer exclusively field recon and infiltration soldiers. The founders would be long dead but the Regiment would keep on going, especially as it had reached such a famous and respected position within the Sabbat Crusade.

Light infantry in Imperial terms just means an absence of vehicles (I think excluding Sentinels). They don't necessarily have an infiltration specialisation. The Cadian 8th, for example, is standard infantry because it has a number of Chimeras that can be used to mechanise some of the infantry, but not enough for the whole regiment.

Valhalla has been known to raise massive light infantry regiments 130000 strong- I highly doubt these are all infiltration specialists.

So the Tanith could absorb new troops and easily remain light infantry if it is issued no vehicles.

Rogal Dorns have sold out on the UK webstore!

 Haighus wrote:
Light infantry in Imperial terms just means an absence of vehicles (I think excluding Sentinels).

The new codex does have a whole paragraph-long description of Light Infantry Regiments and it actually mentions that these regiments can be mechanized and contain tanks, it just doesn't happen often.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Light infantry in Imperial terms just means an absence of vehicles (I think excluding Sentinels).

The new codex does have a whole paragraph-long description of Light Infantry Regiments and it actually mentions that these regiments can be mechanized and contain tanks, it just doesn't happen often.

Fair enough, new lore has changed.

In the past, those would have just been infantry regiments, although they could have been infantry regiments with light infantry companies (like the Tallarn regiments deployed to Taros- the infantry companies had no vehicles and were designated light, but the regiment as a whole had a small proportion of integral armour and artillery companies, so the whole regiment was just listed as infantry).