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The rules are complete guys. What are you complaining about? /s

 ph34r wrote:
It's funny, in the olden days, we knew FW rules were pretty bad, and they'd never be updated with any regularity. Now they are updated all the time and constantly still bad.

Specifically they are updated bare minimum to work with new codex functionality.

But they are left out of power creep, point costs are left as is etc. GW doesn't want tournament try hards to buy resin when plastic is more profitable.

tneva82 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
It's funny, in the olden days, we knew FW rules were pretty bad, and they'd never be updated with any regularity. Now they are updated all the time and constantly still bad.

Specifically they are updated bare minimum to work with new codex functionality.

But they are left out of power creep, point costs are left as is etc. GW doesn't want tournament try hards to buy resin when plastic is more profitable.

this ^

Forgeworld already has a tough time keeping stuff in stock. Imagine if they also had to deal with the competitive scene buying up all the resin of something they haven't brought the mold out for in 3 years.

We saw it happen with Leviathans and there were huge stretches of time where they were simply out of stock, and all anyone did was complain about the leviathan dreadnought meta.

My theory is that FW sat the part time lady from Bugsman's Bar in front of a computer, and had her update the rules between shifts.

M.

Except rules for FW models been handled by GW for a long time by now...Which is precisely why they are left to linger. When you have guys to whom advantage is them not selling beyond collectors who wouldn't buy nth kit of same plastic they have incentive to make sure rules aren't interesting enough to sell.

If you have problem with FW unit rules complain to GW designers. They are the ones handling it. FW isn't.

Does FW still make anything for 40k but marine upgrade kits?

Honest question, I can't remember the last time I saw anything new from them.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does FW still make anything for 40k but marine upgrade kits?

Honest question, I can't remember the last time I saw anything new from them.

I think the last things they made which were not either dual use or event specific were either the Tau battlesuit upgrade things / Super-Suit or the Necron flyer upgrade / large construct, and these are years old. Other than that, maybe some terrain and basing stuff i missed, but that kind of falls under dual use too.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does FW still make anything for 40k but marine upgrade kits?

Honest question, I can't remember the last time I saw anything new from them.

I think the last things they made which were not either dual use or event specific were either the Tau battlesuit upgrade things / Super-Suit or the Necron flyer upgrade / large construct, and these are years old. Other than that, maybe some terrain and basing stuff i missed, but that kind of falls under dual use too.

You missed the Primaris Super Heavy.

They havent even bothered to put out more Titan weapons for the full sized versions, despite a big variety in AT scale

 Platuan4th wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does FW still make anything for 40k but marine upgrade kits?

Honest question, I can't remember the last time I saw anything new from them.

I think the last things they made which were not either dual use or event specific were either the Tau battlesuit upgrade things / Super-Suit or the Necron flyer upgrade / large construct, and these are years old. Other than that, maybe some terrain and basing stuff i missed, but that kind of falls under dual use too.

You missed the Primaris Super Heavy.

True. That's about three years old too, right?

Edit: Actually nearer to six... feeling old

Something like that, yeah.

tneva82 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
It's funny, in the olden days, we knew FW rules were pretty bad, and they'd never be updated with any regularity. Now they are updated all the time and constantly still bad.

Specifically they are updated bare minimum to work with new codex functionality.

But they are left out of power creep, point costs are left as is etc. GW doesn't want tournament try hards to buy resin when plastic is more profitable.

See, I don't think they're even updated to the bare minimum. I'm fine with them being left out of power creep, but even as a strictly narrative player, this stuff becomes completely unusable without house-rules. God forbid I want to use my MoO on an Armageddon-Pattern Basilisk, or have the same updated movement speed, and literally anything that differentiates its closed-top nature (since it used to have +1T, but now they're the same as the codex version was upgraded).

You’ll get your fully updated rules when they write up the next version of the Forgeworld… Who am I kidding? That is never going to happen

 alextroy wrote:
You’ll get your fully updated rules when they write up the next version of the Forgeworld… Who am I kidding? That is never going to happen

I fear for the 10th Ed FW book because it will remove even more units than the 9th Ed one did.

It would be bonkers, but I was a little disappointed the Macharius Vanquisher didn't get the new Vanquisher cannon version. I know it's twin linked so would have required the data sheet being tweaked... Oh well, I'll still use mine anyway, just would have been nice to quite literally be able to one shot a knight

Any word or hint as to when the second wave will be put up for preorder?

 BrookM wrote:
Any word or hint as to when the second wave will be put up for preorder?

Typically second waves for a faction are a month apart, so I'd expect preorders around 18th/25th Feb

Cheers. 👊🏻 If true, timed just right to coincide with payday, would be nice, as I do want to pick up most, if not all of the new stuff.

Taro Modelmaker has already come up with a base plate for the Rogal Dorn, not on the store yet but hes put it on his facebook account today.

I think the last time KT exclusive kits were released it was in one big batch pretty much of multiple KT.

As the Breachers (and the rest) are still not released separately, there's a chance Karskin do not come in the next wave - unless KT does get their kits released as well. Though I'm unsure they will until the whole of the Gallowdark ark is finished as that is a sufficiently GW thing to do.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think the last time KT exclusive kits were released it was in one big batch pretty much of multiple KT.

As the Breachers (and the rest) are still not released separately, there's a chance Karskin do not come in the next wave - unless KT does get their kits released as well. Though I'm unsure they will until the whole of the Gallowdark ark is finished as that is a sufficiently GW thing to do.

Or they may drop the 4 teams from Into the Dark and Shadowvaults when Soulshackle comes out.

Is it just me or is the Earthshaker Carriage Battery a decently priced basilisk now? It is 120pts comes with 5 dudes and has "platoon" keyword for Regimental orders.

Edit: I forgot how "crew" works but either way, 20pts less for the same gun. Yes it cant move and has 4 less wounds but I just hide them out of los and screen them anyways.

Robcio wrote:
Is it just me or is the Earthshaker Carriage Battery a decently priced basilisk now? It is 120pts comes with 5 dudes and has "platoon" keyword for Regimental orders.

Edit: I forgot how "crew" works but either way, 20pts less for the same gun. Yes it cant move and has 4 less wounds but I just hide them out of los and screen them anyways.

They used to be essentially ablative wounds, but as of 9th they're just cosmetic.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

Robcio wrote:
Is it just me or is the Earthshaker Carriage Battery a decently priced basilisk now? It is 120pts comes with 5 dudes and has "platoon" keyword for Regimental orders.

Edit: I forgot how "crew" works but either way, 20pts less for the same gun. Yes it cant move and has 4 less wounds but I just hide them out of los and screen them anyways.

They used to be essentially ablative wounds, but as of 9th they're just cosmetic.

Not quite. They are still models, but can't be affected. If you spread them out the enemy can't just pass over them, they must go around. Cheesy, but RAW.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does FW still make anything for 40k but marine upgrade kits?

Honest question, I can't remember the last time I saw anything new from them.

There's also Necromunda I guess

Necromunda, Blood Bowl, AoS monsters here and there, Heresy super heavies and forces.

Yeah. FW still does quite a bit.

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Well, here's a cheap and effective fix for those who can't manage without the hole being filled

In case anyone else is wondering, the DKoK KT21 kit is somewhat compatible with the nuCad Hvy Weapons Team kit

Man, I need to get me some regular nuCadian squad bitz, to kitbash with my 2 Vet Guardsman kits. If the hands are this well interchangeable (shoulderpads can even be transplanted on if one is fussy about exact shoulderpad trims), all those lovely lasgun/lascarbine variants just became more variety for my ragtag "Kaukopartio"

Might want to magnetize any DKoK gunners though, since you only get 2 crouching torsos per 10 models...

 Gert wrote:
I think model-wise, this is a good release. The field guns are very nice and the Cadians still seem to be very good as a basis to convert into other Regiments. Pricing on the characters is naff but the main stuff still seems ok.

Bought Cadia Stands but don't want Cadians as an army?

Try these from Peachy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAmFjeyWnb0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04qmyJ810d0

I have a whole stack of beret heads from the WGA Bulldogs. I'm leaning towards some Tanith to go with the Ghosts Command box.

I quite like the Blood Pact conversion as well.

warl0rdb0b wrote:
https://www.taromodelmaker.com/products/dorns-bottom " target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.taromodelmaker.com/products/dorns-bottom

Well, here's a cheap and effective fix for those who can't manage without the hole being filled

https://dragonforge.com/shop/terrain/rogal-dorn-floor-plate-hole-filler-set-one-1/

Dragon Forge will cover your Dorn Hole for $6.

They put it up last week and apparently it's already a best seller.