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 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
No way! Don’t take my Dreadnoughts away! There’s better ways to tone it down.

Yeah, the core issue for that RoW is how good Contemptors are to begin with. Tone them down and that RoW is basically like facing Knights and all the Armigers they have to field but without bigs to back them up.

Nerfing Dreads needs to happen. Also, limitting 1 auspex scanner reaction for fliers does as well. As is, Fliers are pretty much DOA in Horus Heresy. I saw 4 fliers from opponents during my AdeptiCon weekend, and I killed all 4 when they deployed. *kisses auspex scanner models*

 mattl wrote:
Do frames have (presumably) "Copyright Warhammer 2025" on them now? Is Games Workshop changing its name to Warhammer?!

Considering its literally a photo of the ECs Flawless Blades sprue thats been recolored green?

Yes.

 kronk wrote:


Nerfing Dreads needs to happen. Also, limitting 1 auspex scanner reaction for fliers does as well. As is, Fliers are pretty much DOA in Horus Heresy. I saw 4 fliers from opponents during my AdeptiCon weekend, and I killed all 4 when they deployed. *kisses auspex scanner models*

Honestly, the contemptor just needs points changes. It should be 25-35 more expensive to begin with. After that the weapons need a bit of a balance pass with regards to their points. 20 points for a two shot lascannon, 10 points for a 3 shot autocannon with TL, 15 pts for an assault cannon... but only 5 points for a two shot 24 inch melta gun?! That should be at least 10-15 points.

Those two changes would be enough to curtail a lot of their excesses.

With regards to knights, they just need buffs. It makes no sense that a knight is the same WS as the least competent space marine.

Flyers are caught in the vehicle can of worms; it's not that they're too fragile, it's that they're too fragile for their points. A kitted fire raptor went up like 60-80pts this addition. Storm Eagles are about 20-30 points more expensive, and I think the Caestus is almost 100 points more costly?! Yet they're all easier to kill due to reactions, access to sky-fire, and vehicle damage changes.Flyers, and most vehicles, need a points cut.

That aside, flyers benefit from spam. One is a suicide bomb, but a Wrath of Angels RoW with 2 fire raptors, a caestus, 2 xiphons, and some storm eagles can survive to deploy and swiftly annihilate the units that threaten it.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 mattl wrote:
Do frames have (presumably) "Copyright Warhammer 2025" on them now? Is Games Workshop changing its name to Warhammer?!

Yup, they have been like that from at least the start of the year. First one I noticed it on, and the embossed Warhammer logo, was the new Krieg release.

Yeah GW has been steadily rebranding into Warhammer for a while now. It's not a daft idea, Warhammer is really well known and enough of a household name compared to Games Workshop.
Heck who knows perhaps GW are doing a long term plan to dip into other game markets so Games Workshop will end up more like Hasbro - a giant that has multiple subsidiary brands underneath with Warhammer being one of their big core ones.

Games Workshop has already started its Alphabet-isation.

Warhammer, Black Library, Forge World, Warhammer+ are all sub brands underneath their umbrella.

I'm sure they have others. But yeah they're going for the Umbrella Company with differently branded wings strategy.

Certainly makes the Games Workshop name seem more important, as its brand comes with a huge range of assets.

GW's teasing confirms to me that there is a new edition coming - otherwise they wouldn't bother with all of this. I don't regard this as good news, because I don't have confidence in GW's ability to resist going overboard with unnecessary changes to the rules. But it looks as though it's time to strap in...

It would almost be worth starting a new HH rumours thread for this.

I'd still go with new box set level of release, not full new edition. The last few humorous teases like this were for things like plastic sisters, the Epic scale thunderhawk, and IIRC squats in necromunda

What could the d18 possibly be used for?

Unless it's a replacement for the d66 random charts...

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
What could the d18 possibly be used for?

Unless it's a replacement for the d66 random charts...

I don't know. I thought that was a joke. Like the hazard stripe paint in the video. It has been noted that there were 18 legions in the Heresy (after discounting the 2 that were 'disappeared'), and the Salamanders were the 18th, so maybe it's a hint.

I see that the English version of the AoD boxed set is out of stock now.

I want to think they aren't so stupid they'd just make a whole new edition instead of a 2.5 big patch, but I know better.

Maybe the d18 is there to sell a new edition of How to Roll Citadel Dice?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe the d18 is there to sell a new edition of How to Roll Citadel Dice?

I hope it comes with a... uh... whats the Horus Heresy version of a Primaris Lieutenant?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Maybe the d18 is there to sell a new edition of How to Roll Citadel Dice?

I hope it comes with a... uh... whats the Horus Heresy version of a Primaris Lieutenant?

One loyalist and one heretic Consul.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
What could the d18 possibly be used for?

Unless it's a replacement for the d66 random charts...

Generating random numbers with a value between 1 and 18.

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
Yes, suspect it's a mix of truth and made up stuff i.e. 18 sided dice is not actually possible, green plastic and Salamanders are definitely possible, I'd be surprised at push fit models but who knows...

https://www.thediceshoponline.com/specialist-dice/d18-specialist-dice.html

I stand corrected, also, it looks like GW borrowed the image of the white dice from that page for their image! (Though could just be a coincidence)

GW making a fake rumour website is just obnoxious


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
What could the d18 possibly be used for?

To decide which Legion you're playing, obviously

Effective though. Lots of attention, lots of conversation.

Looking at this image?



It’s not a direct match for the Leviathan model, as the kneecap is quite different.



Nor the Deredeo



But, it is of course concept type art, which could explain it. If anyone can find the matching art, please share it here, as I really don’t know if GW are pulling our chain with this specific image.

Does the art match any outstanding rumour images?

For that matter are there any outstanding rumour images that might be heresy/space marine related?

I don’t think so, no.

The new boxed set, whether new edition or not, is said to contain a new class of Dreadnought though.

But I just don’t know right now if this is a genuine tease of something chunky, or GW just having a laugh with that specific rumour.


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MOAR!!!!!

The Horus Hearsay wrote: Hearing flame templates are doubling in size. Must be to give the Sallies a big push as poster boys for the new edition. Fire change?

Bring me the HEAVY flamer!

Right, have at it.

The knee sketch is drawn without a knee pad

The Levi knee looks a lot like it naked, but the foot is more symmetrical

The -2- bit is definitely another fakeout

Seen people speculating that the pouch could be breacher charges. It sure does look like there's two distinct sets of round, explosive-like bulges in there.

And someone over on 4chan mocked this up as a potential Saturnine pauldron. Seems to be along the right track.

I was wondering that about the “shoulder pad” too.

I just don’t know how far the mick taking is going. The bit illustrated/speculated as a pauldron looks to be resin to my eyes. Which could just mean it’s a glimpse of the initial master.

The D18 is a Legion picker right?

And number 2 listed - 2nd Legion was one of the 'disappeared', so obviously that is one of them!

 Pacific wrote:
The D18 is a Legion picker right?

And number 2 listed - 2nd Legion was one of the 'disappeared', so obviously that is one of them!

If you roll a lost Legion, you automatically lose the game.

Admittedly I haven’t been following Heresy stuff for a while as I really don’t have time for Army level games, but maybe if they are hinting at colored frames and a new Dreadnought maybe this is a new boxed game like Battle of Calth with some new stuff in it?

Or maybe some sort of Skirmish/Small Scale Heresy game?

It would seem weird to have a specialist studio game being put on the rules refresh cycle that the major studio games get.


If it really is Iron Warriors vs Salamanders I would have a hard time not picking it up if only to paint because they are my favorite legions.

 Sabotage! wrote:
It would seem weird to have a specialist studio game being put on the rules refresh cycle that the major studio games get.

The main games are now on a 1 year cycle, stands to reason to up specialist games to 3 years.

Watch it be a new HH board game, like Betrayal at Calth.

All the rumoured details fit that paradigm much better; odd dice, random tokens, push-fit minis, themed forces in coloured plastic…

There's two sticky notes with dates in the shot, one for the day the video went up, the other for 24.6.

Any event we know of then?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's two sticky notes with dates in the shot, one for the day the video went up, the other for 24.6.

Any event we know of then?

Why yes - it's my birthday! It's also a Tuesday, between US Open dates (Dallas May 22nd – 25th & Tacoma July 17th – 20th) and I can't think of anything else around then.

Do GW make Mark 7 armor sets? I'm genuinely interested to use the new figures in older editions, so I'd like to cross hybridize some squads, ala older 40K tactical squad boxed sets.