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So we know KT: Typhon and the weapons platforms are tomorrow; do we know if Saturnine is up for order next week? They seem to be pushing hard with the rules previews.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So we know KT: Typhon and the weapons platforms are tomorrow; do we know if Saturnine is up for order next week? They seem to be pushing hard with the rules previews.

We still got plenty of rules and then factions to go through. Word on the street is mid July.

I wouldn't expect it any earlier than mid-July. They'll probably do an article for each and every legion like they did back in 2022, which was basically the launch set painted in a different colour.

SamusDrake wrote:
I wouldn't expect it any earlier than mid-July. They'll probably do an article for each and every legion like they did back in 2022, which was basically the launch set painted in a different colour.

Except the Salamanders, because the influencer they recruited to paint them put his youtube channel logo on every model

Did titans lost a couple points of BS? Reaver says 3 for arms and carapace, while Knights are BS4

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So we know KT: Typhon and the weapons platforms are tomorrow; do we know if Saturnine is up for order next week? They seem to be pushing hard with the rules previews.

Doubt it. It'll probably be something fantasy-related.

Time for a bit of fun.

Go go gadget predict-o-matic, Marine Heavy Weapons.

We know Heavy (X) will bring benefits when the unit is stationary to a stat depending on what is X. Heavy Bolters are Heavy (FP), Lascannon Heavy (D).

I kind of expect…..

Autocannon Heavy (FP)
Multimelta Heavy (AP), in addition to Melta
Plasma Cannon I honestly don’t know. FP, AP and D just don’t feel right. Possibly Heavy (BS)?
Heavy Flamers - again I’m really not sure.
Missile Launchers may have multiple, depending on the Missile type? Krak Heavy (AP), Frag Heavy (S) perhaps?
Volkite - probably Heavy (FP), as they’re high rate of fire weapons.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Multimelta Heavy (AP), in addition to Melta

Remember, AP1 does nothing, so not (AP) unless they start at AP3. (FP) makes the most sense, it's double barreled. Probably loses twin-linked base.

That’s true,

Also, now I think about it the Heavy Flamer isn’t a Heavy Weapon. Perhaps a higher Rout test modifier?

I really wish they had left more flexibility for Heavy instead of a flat +1 to a stat. Maybe they didn't know how to phrase anything more flexible in their uber-legalise.

Heavy(Panic+1) would be nice for Heavy Flamer, yea, but the syntax doesn't allow it. It also doesn't allow the most obvious stationary boost, which has precedent in other editions, Range.

I suspect it may have a higher Panic number as base.

So, for example

R Template, FP1, S5, AP4*, D1, Panic (2)

If I’m right there, they stand to be excellent objective clearers. Do a decent amount of damage, send the enemy packing.

*Pretty sure they’re AP4 right now and have been since 3rd Ed 40K?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You’re quite right. Skipped back and checked the imgur link.

High Command also allows an Aux pick. So maximum of 5 Dreadnoughts per Crusade Force Detachment.

Do we know for certain right now if the Crusade Force is the only main detachment for now?


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5 is still plenty for my itch, Spesh as it could be 5 Deredeo, 5 Leviathan, 5 Saturnine etc.

But remember that in that case you've got no other slots but the base 4 troops and 4 rhinos, you're probably not getting to 3000 pts.
High Command can pick the Officer Cadre for 2 more Command and another Logistical Benefit


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The most deranged build I've seen so far is something like 6 Centurions and 30 empty Rhinos with multi meltas.

I think this is incorrect?

Crusade gives you:

1 High Command
3 Command

Per the article, each command slot gives you +1 aux detachment (true of both command and high command). Right off the bat thats +4 aux detachments.

A non-consul centurion gives you an additional +1 aux, and those are command slot options. 3 of them brings you to +7 aux detachments.

One of those command slots is prime, taking logistical benefit on it allows you to take any battlefield role of your choice, which can be an 8th dread.

You also have one prime troops slot, filling it and using logistical benefit gives you +7 aux and 2 slot choices (ie dreads).

So in theory a max of 9 dreads, 8 if you are unwilling to field a troop and are limiting yourself only to command and dread choices.

Also i dont think the "no other slots" concern applies. I see nothing that says youre limited to just one crusade detachment?

Oh nice!

*pats his lovely Dreadnought paddock*

chaos0xomega wrote:
I see nothing that says youre limited to just one crusade detachment?

Nothing that says you aren't, either. But it says you get "a" Primary Detachment and any number of x and y. If Primaries are unlimited you can just spam Logistical Benefit and make the whole system pointless.


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An interesting note about what GW thinks are the relative power levels of units:

A Consul can unlock:

1 dreadnought

or

2 bike squads

or

4 Sicarans

or

4 Land Raiders

"The Warhammer Design Studio have been pretty happy with where the game has been for the last few years, and they’ve seen this new edition as the opportunity to reinvestigate the core systems and make improvements – rather than making wholesale changes."

With each new article we see this was more and more of an outright lie.

The Tarantula does nothing for me, but I can see myself getting at least 2 Rapier kits. They look especially good in Dark Angels colours. I spent ages converting 2 of them for my SoH, but sadly my attempts don’t really compare to the kit version

chaos0xomega wrote:
One of those command slots is prime, taking logistical benefit on it allows you to take any battlefield role of your choice, which can be an 8th dread.

You also have one prime troops slot, filling it and using logistical benefit gives you +7 aux and 2 slot choices (ie dreads).

Bad news, logistical benefit is limited to once per detachment.

Womp womp, so you get 8 dreads instead of 9

Pre orders up. No sprue pics unfortunately. Would love to know if magnetising them is possible

The Heresy sculpting team generally is pretty good about “sneaking in” magnet spots or ways to make push-fit subassemblies viable. Not guaranteed of course but generally it’s better than 40k-proper.

Ordered three boxes of the Quad/Laser Rapiers.

Still tempted to use the crew, with appropriate weapons of course, as a Recon Squad. The armour just looks suited to that role to my eyes.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ordered three boxes of the Quad/Laser Rapiers.

Still tempted to use the crew, with appropriate weapons of course, as a Recon Squad. The armour just looks suited to that role to my eyes.

We know they're intended to be used as an Augur Command & Control Squad, so there is precedent for them running around without Rapiers

 zedmeister wrote:
Pre orders up. No sprue pics unfortunately. Would love to know if magnetising them is possible

I think one of the advance reviewers has a video on YouTube of them magnetizing them fairly easily

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Multimelta Heavy (AP), in addition to Melta

Remember, AP1 does nothing, so not (AP) unless they start at AP3. (FP) makes the most sense, it's double barreled. Probably loses twin-linked base.

Considering all the rest of the nostalgia driven rules present, perhaps a way to give it a small blast template?

Only video I can find is on Sprues & Brews

Tarantulas are trivially modular and can just friction fit guns.

Rapiers are very difficult to magnetize, with the system where the gun mount is clamped between the left and right track, which must be glued together.

Also, seems they were so pressed for sprue space that the Rapier's guns, uncharacteristically for modern HH, don't come with the barrels halved. They're all solid single piece barrels with no muzzle hole.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Time for a bit of fun.

Go go gadget predict-o-matic, Marine Heavy Weapons.

We know Heavy (X) will bring benefits when the unit is stationary to a stat depending on what is X. Heavy Bolters are Heavy (FP), Lascannon Heavy (D).

I kind of expect…..

Autocannon Heavy (FP)
Multimelta Heavy (AP), in addition to Melta
Plasma Cannon I honestly don’t know. FP, AP and D just don’t feel right. Possibly Heavy (BS)?
Heavy Flamers - again I’m really not sure.
Missile Launchers may have multiple, depending on the Missile type? Krak Heavy (AP), Frag Heavy (S) perhaps?
Volkite - probably Heavy (FP), as they’re high rate of fire weapons.

I'd guess
Autocannon (AP)
Multimedia (S)
Plasma Cannon (Dam)
Missile Launcher (BS)
Volkite (FP)

Well the entire USR and scenario sections were leaked on 4chan (second to last HH thread)

Most notably the USR Officer of the Line(x): unlocks x auxiliary detachments instead of 1.

Ordnance(x) is like Heavy(x) but that stat is doubled when stationary rather than increased by 1,

I think the word salad finally misfired for real and Poison basically says "if you would have wounded anyway without needing the poison rule, then the hit can't do more than 1 wound" when they meant to say that rolling high enough to wound both with and without poison doesn't stack into two wounding hits.

Shock(x) rolls on the glancing table on x+ to hit even if it doesn't glance, but doubles can't strip HP

Explaining flamer templates is an entire page

All in all not a lot of USRs, either they really cut down or there's a lot more faction specific ones.

Surely not on the bit about the flamer template?

On magnetizing rapiers (doable but not trivial)

https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-reviews-horus-heresy-rapier-battery/

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ordered three boxes of the Quad/Laser Rapiers.

Still tempted to use the crew, with appropriate weapons of course, as a Recon Squad. The armour just looks suited to that role to my eyes.

We know they're intended to be used as an Augur Command & Control Squad, so there is precedent for them running around without Rapiers

Which is something thats been bugging me - you need 2 crew per rapier, when will you ever have spare crew for an augur squad? Or is the idea that you can only field them when youre not fielding rapiers?