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There are very few bare arms in the Berserker kit; I think I notice maybe two or three at most, and even there, it's sometimes only one arm that is bare.

 Overread wrote:
AoS is getting a big wave of Battletomes and updates and considering that Squats are clearly dominating this next release wave I think AoS is doing more than good for new stuff. Slaves to Darkness are getting some nice chunky updates and the new Demon Prince kit is coming! That Battlebox I think is going to be very popular come Christmas.

There's also a lot more Slaves to Darkness stuff that we haven't seen yet (or rather, that GW haven't revealed officially). There's the new Warrior kit, some big special character guy, new Knights. It's a pretty big release full of very cool new models.

I'm still amazed Chosen come 10 to a box though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
... (the army box itself seems….a bit anaemic)...

Certainly not compared to the Black Templar box. Now that was anaemic!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think they’re taking inspiration from the old, old, blink and you missed them, I think I’ve seen them maybe once on the board, Khorne Assault Marines.

I've seen that picture time and time again and I can't remember ever noticing the bare arms. Well I'll be.

Still looks stupid though. Would've preferred it stay a Kharn thing.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Happy with the range but that army box is a no go for me. I dont want the bikes, dex and infantry repetitions at this point in time.

So wouldn't 1 still be good then? Not much repetition inside now is there?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Happy with the range but that army box is a no go for me. I dont want the bikes, dex and infantry repetitions at this point in time.

I can see the trikes not being to someone's taste, but not wanting the Codex a little early, or two of the core Troops unit? This makes little sense to me, I'll be honest.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS is getting a big wave of Battletomes and updates and considering that Squats are clearly dominating this next release wave I think AoS is doing more than good for new stuff. Slaves to Darkness are getting some nice chunky updates and the new Demon Prince kit is coming! That Battlebox I think is going to be very popular come Christmas.

There's also a lot more Slaves to Darkness stuff that we haven't seen yet (or rather, that GW haven't revealed officially). There's the new Warrior kit, some big special character guy, new Knights. It's a pretty big release full of very cool new models.

I'm still amazed Chosen come 10 to a box though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
... (the army box itself seems….a bit anaemic)...

Certainly not compared to the Black Templar box. Now that was anaemic!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think they’re taking inspiration from the old, old, blink and you missed them, I think I’ve seen them maybe once on the board, Khorne Assault Marines.

I've seen that picture time and time again and I can't remember ever noticing the bare arms. Well I'll be.

Still looks stupid though. Would've preferred it stay a Kharn thing.

True on the BT box!

And to be honest? Half the time I think I imagined the Assault Marines in the pic. I was around when they were released, and they really weren’t around for long. Possibly shorter than the second metal Sentinel kit. The boxy one. When it still had an Assault Cannon.

tneva82 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Happy with the range but that army box is a no go for me. I dont want the bikes, dex and infantry repetitions at this point in time.

So wouldn't 1 still be good then? Not much repetition inside now is there?

If they only had used a different unit rather than 2 box sets of same infantry kit I would be more tempted.

At this point Im also not sure if the bikes is a 3xbike per box or 1bike per box. Seems like a beefy and potentially expensive set to have 3 of those.
The way I see it the dex, bikes and the extra box of same infantry will eat up any savings on the army box.
I rather invest that money on stuff like guys with suits and heavy dudes potentially also the buggy or fortress.

Quite a nice collection of reveals although a bit heavy on the savage-theme, but the Votann offering added some variety there.

Only thing I felt that looked really off was the E-COGs. Its good that the designs are trying to avoid the clear-plastic stands but they look confusing, especially with the hovering CORVs previewed immediately afterwards which have gone ahead and used the clear-plastic stands anyway.

The Votann aesthetic might not be the most grimdark for 40K but they'd be right at home in other sci-fi wargames. The Land Fortress is quite funky and wouldn't mind it as a piece of scenery.

 Dysartes wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Happy with the range but that army box is a no go for me. I dont want the bikes, dex and infantry repetitions at this point in time.

I can see the trikes not being to someone's taste, but not wanting the Codex a little early, or two of the core Troops unit? This makes little sense to me, I'll be honest.

Simples, I rather have books separated from minis. Books increase the price of the box sets and "invalidate" multiple box investment.
I would rather have say another unit added to the box rather than a dex.

The bikes aren’t all that tough either. In the Battle Report, one is killed by three unsaved Lasgun wounds.

The Lasguns were on a 5+ to wound (meaning T4 or T5), and the save was 4+. Given three wounds killed one, W3 it is.

They do however have Autocannon, S5 Bolt Shotguns (I’ll never tire of typing that word!), but as ever they somewhat skimmed over the details.

Also….the Guard were at -1 to hit, but I can’t recall, and can’t be bothered to check, if that was a Native Modiifer, or one activated by Stratagem.

The new Horus is beautiful in of itself but my word is that base obnoxiously large.

The now-confirmed codex schedule means it's possible that this rumour has legs after all. We'll need to wait and see what the contents of the next KT box are, that should be revealed in around a month or so.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/vrizn6/i_feel_the_need_to_clarify_the_leaks/

I dunno dude.

Completely wrong on the Kill Team teams. Everything else is Educated Guess, despite not knowing when Daemons were coming, which seems…very odd.

Really love all the Votann stuff - the characters and the COG robots are great. The Sagitaur was a bit hit with me so I really like the Land Fortress. I'm glad its not huge as it means you can field a couple without looking like a prick.

The new Horus sculpt looks very good, not heresy fan, but it looks like a great model.
Brodd looks great, the Ogre looks great.. chaos can burn in hell [but nice models].

I was here for the Squats so its nice to watch one of these things and get a good chunk of something you love for once!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I dunno dude.

Completely wrong on the Kill Team teams.

It's referring to the KT box after Votann, likely November. This rumour was also posted the week before GW confirmed that Into The Dark was set on a space hulk.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Spoiler:

Am I bad person for wanting to stick wings on it and made a Space B-17?

The real question is, will you be happy to suffer through having it called a BumbleB-17 all the time?

 Breotan wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Spoiler:

Am I bad person for wanting to stick wings on it and made a Space B-17?

I don't understand all the hate for this. I think it (and it's lil baby brother) is pretty cool, much better than the silly Necromunda container buggy-train they released a few months ago.

In my opinion it just sounds silly having it named an anything fortress. It has wheels, and not very large or sturdy looking ones either. It looks unduly tall. It looks more like a bus or RV than a tank.

On general appearance, the layered individual plates don't make it seem very durable. It just looks like half of it is squishy parts that broke out of a Land Raider hull that's still sticking to its back like a turtle shell, offering unnecessary weak spots a plain Land Raider doesn't have.

With no knowledge of 40k, if you put this and a Baneblade next to each other and asked me which one is the Land Fortress, I'd pick the Baneblade.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
The new Horus is beautiful in of itself but my word is that base obnoxiously large.

It's the display base that houses the play base, all the Primarchs have them. In the back shot during the stream, you can see the space for the piece that lifts off to be able to remove the play base.

 Geifer wrote:

In my opinion it just sounds silly having it named an anything fortress. It has wheels, and not very large or sturdy looking ones either. It looks unduly tall. It looks more like a bus or RV than a tank.

On general appearance, the layered individual plates don't make it seem very durable. It just looks like half of it is squishy parts that broke out of a Land Raider hull that's still sticking to its back like a turtle shell, offering unnecessary weak spots a plain Land Raider doesn't have.

With no knowledge of 40k, if you put this and a Baneblade next to each other and asked me which one is the Land Fortress, I'd pick the Baneblade.

I mean yes, a Baneblade is a mighty beast, but then it is a super heavy. I would have preferred the Land Fortress to be also a superheavy and much more brutal looking.

But that's not the Votann look I guess. I don't think it looks too bad, having stared at it a bit more. I think it looks like a heavily armoured beetle.




I think this profile of it looks better, looks a lot thiccer at this angle. I would have liked the wheels to be a lot bigger, kind of like the Assault Derrick from Gears of War 2.

Im usually not into big kits or vehicles but the design on the fortress and buggy is freaking awesome.

I can see the frame be turned into awesome dropships or even the hammer head we have seen on the concept art before.

what do you think the odds are that well get a helmet option for all of those unhelmeted votann?
Kid K wants to put wings on the land fortress, i want to put big crawler legs on it
reminds me of a spider tank if there are any destiny fans amongst us.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
what do you think the odds are that well get a helmet option for all of those unhelmeted votann?
Kid K wants to put wings on the land fortress, i want to put big crawler legs on it
reminds me of a spider tank if there are any destiny fans amongst us.

The Battle Report infantry models are suggestive most if not all will have helmet options.

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Happy with the range but that army box is a no go for me. I dont want the bikes, dex and infantry repetitions at this point in time.

So wouldn't 1 still be good then? Not much repetition inside now is there?

If they only had used a different unit rather than 2 box sets of same infantry kit I would be more tempted.

At this point Im also not sure if the bikes is a 3xbike per box or 1bike per box. Seems like a beefy and potentially expensive set to have 3 of those.
The way I see it the dex, bikes and the extra box of same infantry will eat up any savings on the army box.
I rather invest that money on stuff like guys with suits and heavy dudes potentially also the buggy or fortress.

They don't likely have much in variety on troop slots to choose from.

I find the fortress and buggy make a lot more visual sense if you look at the dark green panels as bolted on armor panels to increase combat capabilities of what were originally STC exploration vehicles.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think they’re taking inspiration from the old, old, blink and you missed them, I think I’ve seen them maybe once on the board, Khorne Assault Marines.

I've seen that picture time and time again and I can't remember ever noticing the bare arms. Well I'll be.

Still looks stupid though. Would've preferred it stay a Kharn thing.

And to be honest? Half the time I think I imagined the Assault Marines in the pic. I was around when they were released, and they really weren’t around for long. Possibly shorter than the second metal Sentinel kit. The boxy one. When it still had an Assault Cannon.

I remember those from back in the day too and I've only now just noticed that they have bare legs and feet. They still have kneepads, though, because they are presumably most at risk of the kind of injuries a skateboarder would need to worry about. I mean... at some point in the process surely the sculptor would have taken a step back and questioned just how cool that actually looked, even if this was the 1990s and you couldn't just flick something away in CAD in a second?

To be fair, the big votan vehicle might be bigger than it appears on first glance due to the similarity to the little buggy. It is a bit of a letdown that the new box doesn’t contain a propper vehicle but just the bikes because the latter one are my least favourite model from the range so far

As for Nova reveals: The Khorne Berserker lack some distinct features that set them apart from basic CSM. My Khorne marked Legionairies look more like Zerkers than Zerker themself. I hope that other units will look more distinct. But I am a bit afraid of upcoming reveals.

 xttz wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I dunno dude.

Completely wrong on the Kill Team teams.

It's referring to the KT box after Votann, likely November. This rumour was also posted the week before GW confirmed that Into The Dark was set on a space hulk.

Nope. This rumor was out *BEFORE* Into the Dark was revealed (and we probably are not getting another Kill Team box this year, they release them roughly every 3 months (usually slightly longer intervals than that), with Into the Dark coming in September, the next release window would be December - unlikely that they actually release it then instead of waiting until January). Thats why the rest of us have dismissed the rumor, because within a few weeks of this being posted we knew it was wrong when Into the Dark was finally revealed and there were neither Kasrkin nor Genestealers in it.

All of this was basically educated guessing, at that point we had been seeing Votann for a while and some people thought they were going to release earlier in the summer, we knew that the next kill team box would be in a space hulk or whatever but didn't know what would be in it (and people saw the Kasrkin bases and assumed that was a sign), and the leaks prompted GW to show off a full range of new guard minis which lead folks to believe that they would come before World Eaters because at that point we had only seen renders of World Eaters weapons, Angron coming with it was an obvious gimme. The Space Marines 2.0 thing has been a constant drum people have been beating on, its been the "next codex" since basically January, and the Nids v Marines thing was regurgitation of another rumor from another source that was itself debunked.

Then the daemons thing - they are the next codex up, theres no way the poster knows all about whats going on with Votann, Kill Team, Guard, World Eaters, SM2.0, and the 10th edition launch but had no idea that Daemons were the next book to release and had to CYA with "they'll probably be out before SM2.0".

the new dwarf runepreist is pretty sweat, annoying he'll cost a fourtune as he comes boxed with two sci fi looking gun drones!

Sadly I suspect you're correct. :( I'm only interested in the mage for RPG purposes myself.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I dunno dude.

Completely wrong on the Kill Team teams. Everything else is Educated Guess, despite not knowing when Daemons were coming, which seems…very odd.

Not completely wrong on the kill team box. Remember that we've already had Kasrkin confirmed for kill team (they're clearly on kill team bases in the preview images) so the most likely answer here is that the leaker was correct about the contents of the box at the time they got the information but at some later point GW changed the release order. That kind of thing happens for various reasons, I put way more credibility in accurately leaking the Kasrkin team than correctly predicting a release order that is always subject to change.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You say that, but then we get a 'Zerker kit where half an arm is connected to the front part of the torso and the right shin and left leg, with the other half of the body containing the rest of the legs, and part of the other arm, and only one chainsword and boltpistol combi fit with those half arms... but the head and shoulder pads can be anything from the kit, so yay, "compatible"!

Gw want to make the best models. This means details and dynamic posing on models that look as realistic as possible. The only way this is possible whilst still keeping the models looking smooth and natural (no visible joins, weird scaling etc), and also keeping them builder friendly for younger folks is by making them in these odd configurations which only fit together one way. In my opinion, even if you make them all stock from the box this way you're still getting more variety in how they look than one of the old boxes of marines where yes, everything can indeed be swapped but you have a ball joint on the waist and 2 flat panels to stick arms to, the arms holding bolters look weird and unnatural, and so do the cc weapon arms which are all either weirdly straight or at right angles. What do you want them to do? If you want different poses to the stock ones, then learn to convert. It's always been this way, just now we have way better models to do it with.