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Chopstick wrote:
It's a book with cardboards and cards, likely 60USD, same price as your average warhammer quest expansion. Maybe adjusted to price hike, so 65-75.

Isn't the usual warhammer quest expension shipped with 5 or so miniatures at least tho?

 (HN) wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
It's a book with cardboards and cards, likely 60USD, same price as your average warhammer quest expansion. Maybe adjusted to price hike, so 65-75.

Isn't the usual warhammer quest expension shipped with 5 or so miniatures at least tho?

It varies a lot. Some have more models, some have less. I think one for Black Fortress was just one model - the Zoat. Meanwhile other expansions were full on two large teams of new models for both sides.

So there's a huge amount of variation on offer. Heck I suspect some of the characters we saw (father and daughter witch hunters) are likely expansions for the good side in the game .

I think £30 would be my absolute limit for an expansion like this but I'd definitely want to read a few reviews first.
As always my fear is that GW's insane pricing system will teach them the wrong lessons. The new warcry box has fewer sprues of terrain and fewer minis than into the dark but costs more. It's no wonder that it hasn't sold that well, but I could imagine some gw exec looking at the numbers, shrugging and cancelling warcry. I worry that Warhammer quest could be headed down the same path.

 Overread wrote:
So there's a huge amount of variation on offer. Heck I suspect some of the characters we saw (father and daughter witch hunters) are likely expansions for the good side in the game .

Yup. These ones in particular REALLY fest random and out of nowhere, they felt straight out of CC.

Chikout wrote:
I think £30 would be my absolute limit for an expansion like this but I'd definitely want to read a few reviews first.
As always my fear is that GW's insane pricing system will teach them the wrong lessons. The new warcry box has fewer sprues of terrain and fewer minis than into the dark but costs more. It's no wonder that it hasn't sold that well, but I could imagine some gw exec looking at the numbers, shrugging and cancelling warcry. I worry that Warhammer quest could be headed down the same path.

I'll be surprise if they cancelled the thing. They just grossly overestimated the impact a new edition would have.
Honestly, both Warcry and Kill Team should just be free, and not even have a specific mini line. It should be a way to play skirmish AoS/40k with your armies rather than a weird tumor that grow on the back of thos games and drain some of the resources that they really need (just compare the number of kits Warcry got compared to AoS, especially the 1st ed army, and you realize something silly is going on here.

Chikout wrote:

Obviously we all love new minis but there's something almost refreshing about gw putting out a rules only supplement.

A rules only supplement from GW isn't refreshing at all. They do it a -lot-. And they, generally, really suck.
The entire span of psychic awakening, various campaign books and etc. Even a lot of the army books these days.

GW is at its absolute worst when it skips models and just does rules.

If the rules aren't good it won't sell; there are no minis to hide behind. The gameplay of the main game isn't great out of the box but there are some homebrew rules that improve it considerably.

Buying something to fix it for them isn't a thing anyone should be doing.

 (HN) wrote:

 Overread wrote:
So there's a huge amount of variation on offer. Heck I suspect some of the characters we saw (father and daughter witch hunters) are likely expansions for the good side in the game .

Yup. These ones in particular REALLY fest random and out of nowhere, they felt straight out of CC.

Chikout wrote:
I think £30 would be my absolute limit for an expansion like this but I'd definitely want to read a few reviews first.
As always my fear is that GW's insane pricing system will teach them the wrong lessons. The new warcry box has fewer sprues of terrain and fewer minis than into the dark but costs more. It's no wonder that it hasn't sold that well, but I could imagine some gw exec looking at the numbers, shrugging and cancelling warcry. I worry that Warhammer quest could be headed down the same path.

I'll be surprise if they cancelled the thing. They just grossly overestimated the impact a new edition would have.
Honestly, both Warcry and Kill Team should just be free, and not even have a specific mini line. It should be a way to play skirmish AoS/40k with your armies rather than a weird tumor that grow on the back of thos games and drain some of the resources that they really need (just compare the number of kits Warcry got compared to AoS, especially the 1st ed army, and you realize something silly is going on here.

There’s already ways to play smaller 40k/AoS isn’t there though? In those rulesets. I guess not that small size but still.

This is a reason to make more offshoot interesting minis, that may appeal to someone who doesn’t want to collect a whole army.
Like Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Underworlds and then those two.

Seems to have sold relatively well in Warcry circles.
Certainly many picked it up in the Warcry groups/discord’s and such.

Is there numbers or facts to say it hasn’t done well?

Chikout wrote:
I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.

Any chance you could clarify what you mean by the bit in bold, Chikout? AFAIK, this WHC article was the first confirmation of anything to do with a CC expansion, and everyone posting in here is reacting to the information conveyed in that article, including the lack of miniatures...

 Dysartes wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.

Any chance you could clarify what you mean by the bit in bold, Chikout? AFAIK, this WHC article was the first confirmation of anything to do with a CC expansion, and everyone posting in here is reacting to the information conveyed in that article, including the lack of miniatures...

The existence of expansions was announced at the same time as the return of Cursed city was announced back in December. Over on TGA there is a rumour munger with a 100% track record who said on the day the return of Cursed city was announced "notice how they said new adventures but not new minis" or something to that effect. So the tga community has been braced for this news for a while.

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 Irbis wrote:
Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GW never does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...

That is some next level denial. This was always the expansion plan. They just screwed up and here you are trying to explain away GW's incompetence. Just give it a rest, you aren't fooling anyone.

Does mean though whatever went wrong with CC happened well over year before launch date. Wonder what the hell happened that far away.

Nobody will ever know. The years between 2019 and 2022 are shrouded in mystery and no on will know because Dr. Strange cast some powerful magic that erased the events of those years completely from mind. Some speak of a worldwide plague while others talk of government conspiracies.

We may never know.

Last i checked gw releasea loads of stufd 2019-2022 so theory of yours is bollocks.

They knew early 2020 they wouldn't post expansions if they repurposed the models for the sbgl.

Chikout wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.

Any chance you could clarify what you mean by the bit in bold, Chikout? AFAIK, this WHC article was the first confirmation of anything to do with a CC expansion, and everyone posting in here is reacting to the information conveyed in that article, including the lack of miniatures...

The existence of expansions was announced at the same time as the return of Cursed city was announced back in December. Over on TGA there is a rumour munger with a 100% track record who said on the day the return of Cursed city was announced "notice how they said new adventures but not new minis" or something to that effect. So the tga community has been braced for this news for a while.

No new models is different from no models at all.

I think most of us expected to see sets with the character style models that came out. We just expected to see them bundled up with cards and sold both ways like GW sells warcry sets in both card and plain versions.

I think most people prefer the tiny Warhammer underworld box kinda expansions (which is much cheaper to produce than Warcry kit) but what we got is horribly overpriced box like Orgyn and his pal for 60, which got a re-release alongside the traitor guardsmen for the same price in Killteam :Blooded,

I will not buy a expansion without mini's. I do like cc as a game. i can make my own story's with the cards in the game it self. the mini's would sell an expansion not the cardstock.

Bummer no miniatures. The game never really struck me as something to write home about, so I'm not sure why they think selling the game alone is the way to go.

Pretty interested in an expension for CC. Hopefully the price is real cheap here considering it wont have minis (which is a bummer).

I think that no minis was the best way to go with it tho, after they seemingly released the models planned for it when they thought the whole game was getting scrapped after the botched launch. So people bought some or all of them in the mean time, and they must think its better to keep the now revived expension free of mini in case people wont want to double dip on the minis.

I would like to see a discounted bundle of the minis, but I'll keep dreaming on that, no chance they'd do more than a one-click bundle.

I though it was odd that they released all these vampire characters and the those father/daughter witch hunters back when they did as they didn’t feel they fit with gerneral release.

But they do seem to have been models intended for cursed city that they just decided to get out there. It all makes sense now. But it has messed up this and future releases.

Would love to know the full story of how this game went soo wrong release wise.

It would be an interesting tale, but one I suspect we’ll never know the truth of, nor have any way of reliably separating fact from fiction.

What a joke.

Also the final nail in the coffin for the theory that the various vampire lord models weren't just repurposed Cursed City sculpts.

Thinking about it, they did bundles for the hero packs in Silver Tower. The app came with hero rules for a bunch of characters and there were two boxes at £35 each that had 4/5 heroes in that were £20 figures individually.
Difference there of course is they were different factions so no-one felt so ripped off. Yes, they paid £26 for a Knight Ventator and for £9 they could have also got a Sorcerer Lord, Slaughterpriest and Runemaster but most people had no need for all four faction heroes outside of Silver Tower.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
What a joke.

Also the final nail in the coffin for the theory that the various vampire lord models weren't just repurposed Cursed City sculpts.

Not really. They aren’t push-fit, like every Warhammer Quest model since Blackstone Fortress, and I don’t think they big bases even fit the squares on the board. If they were repurposed, it was much earlier than the whole debacle.

And it could be soulblight models repurposed for expansions

As is even at best of case soulblight book(with pictures of models) would have come first anyway. Would be unusual to say the least to have pictures of non-book related unreleased models.

I don't understand this.

Did they start cranking out Cursed City again under cover of darkness, and everyone already picked up their copies?

I was listening to a YT channel, and point came up was-
" This expansion contains no miniatures, so you can acquire each of the three vampires in turn as you head out on your quest to hunt them down one by one. You’ll need a set of Fell Bats and Radukar the Beast to start immediately."

I've seen the Vampires in the shop, but no Cursed City. I have been looking for the Father and Daughter Vampire Hunter team for quite sometime, now. STILL NONE.

Is Cursed City out, again?

Oh, and FYI... This was the conversation for the quote, above...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYFUlwaW2vE

Possible some have got their MTO's but for general relaunch nope.

 Grot 6 wrote:
I don't understand this.

Did they start cranking out Cursed City again under cover of darkness, and everyone already picked up their copies?

I was listening to a YT channel, and point came up was-
" This expansion contains no miniatures, so you can acquire each of the three vampires in turn as you head out on your quest to hunt them down one by one. You’ll need a set of Fell Bats and Radukar the Beast to start immediately."

I've seen the Vampires in the shop, but no Cursed City. I have been looking for the Father and Daughter Vampire Hunter team for quite sometime, now. STILL NONE.

Is Cursed City out, again?

Oh, and FYI... This was the conversation for the quote, above...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYFUlwaW2vE

Cursed city went on made to order a few months ago and will go back on general release in October alongside the expansion.

And there's still plenty of stock from the Made to Order around. Heck Wayland are selling it this week on discount

https://cubicle7games.com/age-of-sigmar-soulbound-ulfenkarn-preview/

This I wasn’t expecting. Cubicle 7 will release an expansion for Soulbound set in Ukfenkarn.

Not played Soulbound but it seems like a good home for Cursed City.

Slightly off topic but are there any Warhammer books similar to the Fighting Fantasy series?

 Flinty wrote:
Exactly. For the later Blackstone expansions, I picked up the cardboard only off E-bay so I could play the expansion if I wanted, but without the expense of more models, when I already have so many that I could use to play the game with.

I can understand the desire to want to see more new awesome plastic, but that doesn't make this a foolish method of release.

Agreed. While I was a bit perplexed that the expansion doesn't come with any models, a bit of reflection made me realise that this approach appeals both to buyers like Flinty (who don't want the models) and myself (who don't want the cardboard). Here, I did the exact opposite to Flinty. I only wanted the models, but had to pay over the odds for a zoat and an ambull as they came bundled with the game material, which I then flogged second-hand.

While I agree that:
* The gap between release of the models and the box would have been better
* The overall price could be somehow reduced for people who want both
* Everything could have been better communicated
...I don't think a release without models is inherently a bad idea, as it gives flexbility. There's certainly precedent, in the form of hte old campaign packs and things (and arguably Codices and Army Books).

 Apologist wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
Exactly. For the later Blackstone expansions, I picked up the cardboard only off E-bay so I could play the expansion if I wanted, but without the expense of more models, when I already have so many that I could use to play the game with.

I can understand the desire to want to see more new awesome plastic, but that doesn't make this a foolish method of release.

Agreed. While I was a bit perplexed that the expansion doesn't come with any models, a bit of reflection made me realise that this approach appeals both to buyers like Flinty (who don't want the models) and myself (who don't want the cardboard). Here, I did the exact opposite to Flinty. I only wanted the models, but had to pay over the odds for a zoat and an ambull as they came bundled with the game material, which I then flogged second-hand.

Yeah, the reason it's so bizarre is it's a great release for those who want the game content but don't want to pay a premium for GW models when they can use proxies or standees. Obviously it's great for those who don't want the game content and just want the models for use in AoS...
The one group of people it's not so great for are those of us who want to play the board game as it was intended! Which is bizarre on the face of it, though I accept we may be in the minority!

But you can play as intended with all the relevant models. They are just eye wateringly expensive. There remains a question as to whether GW might have applied some kind of discount, but as they are apparently directly operable in AoS, I'm not sure how likely that is, as their stock would be utterly smashed by re-sellers and AOS players, such that people who wanted to actually platy the game may not be able to actually get a set.

That last point is possible needless hyperbole, though... (sounded good in my head though )

In theory CC was/should have been a means to boost Soulblight armies by an insane amount. Discount the models in CC to and then launch the Battletome where you can use all of the same side in one army. BOOM you have one popular game loads of people play and by the end of its 2-3 year season you've got people who own probably at least 1K points worth of vampires that they weren't going to otherwise buy.

They then go on to buy another 1K of models plus more and suddenly GW has a successful Quest game AND a really big popularity spike for Soulblight.


In that context short term discounts on the CC models isn't an issue because they result in increased sales elsewhere.