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Looks promising!

I'm excited about the "dries slower" thing, it seems I can never get done what I need to get done with contrasts before they start drying, which leads to coffee stains, so definitely want to see what I can do with these.

It might just be my eyes or the photography, but do these show through more of the underlying colour than contrasts? It just seems the end results are a bit pale and desaturated compared to contrasts (though I'm aware contrasts vary a lot from one colour to the next).

You got me at Vader.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Looks promising!

I'm excited about the "dries slower" thing, it seems I can never get done what I need to get done with contrasts before they start drying, which leads to coffee stains, so definitely want to see what I can do with these.

It might just be my eyes or the photography, but do these show through more of the underlying colour than contrasts? It just seems the end results are a bit pale and desaturated compared to contrasts (though I'm aware contrasts vary a lot from one colour to the next).

It was decided to lean on to the weak side of things to allow painters to do another layer of they wanted a more intense look.

It's not a decision I would have liked but I had no saying in that. You can blame Angel Giraldez

Thanks to Juan for the Color Chart, very informative. And seeing the colors dry, they are more beautiful than it seemed on the video will still wet. I specially like the Space Grey, Templar White and Black Lotus.

I'll have to go check out those two videos. Not excited by longer drying times, (and definitely not excited by the smaller bottles) but at this stage I don't use Model Colour all that much anyway.

Regardless, I'm going to have to stock up on the ones I like/need/use a lot.

 Azazelx wrote:
I'll have to go check out those two videos. Not excited by longer drying times, (and definitely not excited by the smaller bottles) but at this stage I don't use Model Colour all that much anyway.

Regardless, I'm going to have to stock up on the ones I like/need/use a lot.

Longer drying times means smoother results, so it's a good thing in the end, as for the bottles, they are the same size as the old ones 18ml

The lack of a bone is disappointing, and the black will probably want to go over a light grey primer if you're looking for black rather than dark grey.

If the range expands, I'd also like to see a red in between the slightly orange Plasma Red and the darker Velvet, and a mid grey in between Space Grey and Black Lotus. A darker blue would also be nice to replace my Contrast Leviadon Blue, which has next to no actual contrast.

Overall, though, the colour range for an initial range drop looks pretty good, and the finish looks great.

 JHMiniatures wrote:
It was decided to lean on to the weak side of things to allow painters to do another layer of they wanted a more intense look.

It's not a decision I would have liked but I had no saying in that. You can blame Angel Giraldez

I think I would have preferred more intensity in one coat, though perhaps these will be more conducive to underpainting than Contrasts/Speedpaints? And maybe they'll do better over metallics also?

So perhaps it's nice to have something that's not identical to Contrasts and Speedpaints in that regard, though I will admit I was mostly just hoping for them to be like Contrasts with slower drying times

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
And maybe they'll do better over metallics also?

With the Xpress Colors being matte you would lose the metallic sheen of those paints.

I'd like to see them over a range of primers, base colour. Wraithbone and grey seer predominantly.

I think I won't be buying the set when it comes out, too many of those colours I do not use across my models.

I will pick up a few though.

Velvet red looks like the colour I've been waiting all of my life for, I'll be picking that up alongside two purples and two greens.

Strange that there aren't more browns in the initial release, the ones shown are both very "reddy".

Depending on how I feel about them I'll probably pick up the rest of the range at some point, unless there's some kind of issue that pops up, although I have no idea what that might be.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Velvet red looks like the colour I've been waiting all of my life for, I'll be picking that up alongside two purples and two greens.

Strange that there aren't more browns in the initial release, the ones shown are both very "reddy".

Depending on how I feel about them I'll probably pick up the rest of the range at some point, unless there's some kind of issue that pops up, although I have no idea what that might be.

Yeah, I noticed there's not much in the way of leathery browns, and the only skin is on the red side.

Vallejo has listened to your feedback and we are already working on 20 more colours

This time I WILL take part in the selection and I will make sure we fill all the gaps

ACD Distribution has the reformulated Game Color paints at $3.57 each and the Xpress Color paints at $4.56 each.

 JHMiniatures wrote:
Vallejo has listened to your feedback and we are already working on 20 more colours

This time I WILL take part in the selection and I will make sure we fill all the gaps

Another 20, that is wide. So please include, a second Caucasoid flesh tone, a Mongoloid flesh tone and two Negroid flesh tones please. Black flesh tones and oriental flesh tones are very much overlooked, the only company going all in with a set is Army Painter, and while that set is great it is not a contrast set.

You also need at least two more natural wood/leather tones, with the above flesh tones also filling the gaps.

The set above has lots of heraldic colours, but very few natural colours.

Please ask the boffins at Vallejo if it is possible to metalise contrast paints. again Army Painter do a set where there is a glitter pigment you can add to other paints to make them fabulous. Maybe you could add something or paint Xpress Color over a metal. Failing that please consider making Xpress versions of colours for NMM. Steely grey etc.

Wow, 20 extra colors to fill the gaps, so happy

Let's the speculation begin:
1) Bone/papirus, an obvious missing
2) Sand
3-4) Two extra Greys, maybe one more light (stone) and other more darker (basalt)
5-7) Three extra Browns. One chocolate, one caramel and one peanut (more pastel light desaturated)
8) Burgundy/Wine to make the royal capes easy
9) Ice. a lighter blue to simulate the ice color
10-11) Another purple and another violet to give more options
12) Teal turquoise
13-14) Two extra blues, one of them Indigo (darker) and cerulean (more desaturated one)
15-17) Three extra greens, one the neutral warm green (similar to Troll green but warmer), another darker green and another lighter (but not yellowish)
18) A redish-skin tone
19) An oriental skin-tone
20) African skin-tone

Thirded on the non caucasian skin tones.

 JHMiniatures wrote:
Vallejo has listened to your feedback and we are already working on 20 more colours

This time I WILL take part in the selection and I will make sure we fill all the gaps

Awesome news!

 Orlanth wrote:

 JHMiniatures wrote:
Vallejo has listened to your feedback and we are already working on 20 more colours

This time I WILL take part in the selection and I will make sure we fill all the gaps

Another 20, that is wide. So please include, a second Caucasoid flesh tone, a Mongoloid flesh tone and two Negroid flesh tones please. Black flesh tones and oriental flesh tones are very much overlooked, the only company going all in with a set is Army Painter, and while that set is great it is not a contrast set.

Hmm... Triads for flesh have always been pretty easy to find.
Some great sets for non caucasian skin here.

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/search?q=flesh

Not contrasts, but available.

 JHMiniatures wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
I'll have to go check out those two videos. Not excited by longer drying times, (and definitely not excited by the smaller bottles) but at this stage I don't use Model Colour all that much anyway.
Regardless, I'm going to have to stock up on the ones I like/need/use a lot.

Longer drying times means smoother results, so it's a good thing in the end, as for the bottles, they are the same size as the old ones 18ml

Wait.. longer drying times for the new Model Colour? or Xpress Colour (when compared to contrasts?) or both?

 Orlanth wrote:

Another 20, that is wide. So please include, a second Caucasoid flesh tone, a Mongoloid flesh tone and two Negroid flesh tones please. Black flesh tones and oriental flesh tones are very much overlooked, the only company going all in with a set is Army Painter, and while that set is great it is not a contrast set.
You also need at least two more natural wood/leather tones, with the above flesh tones also filling the gaps.

I think asking for 1/5 of the new range to be explicitly named as skintones is probably unlikely. I agree that a couple of other names flesh tones is a good idea, but I think it stands that you don't need a paint to be named "skintone" for it to be useful for that purpose. And that's without mixing paints or contrasts (or Xpress paints!)



A few of those paints have "skin" or "flesh" in their names, but just as many don't. (Plus my skin-tone-ish Citadels and Coat'D'Arms' and P3s are in another container, and yet others in their range cases). My go-to for Caucasian flesh highlights is VMA Sand, along with several others that live on the paint desk.

 Azazelx wrote:
Wait.. longer drying times for the new Model Colour? or Xpress Colour (when compared to contrasts?) or both?

Model Color paints are not being changed or receiving new paints at this time (as far as we know). The reformulated Game Color paints have a longer drying time than the previous line. As for the Xpress Color, I do believe Juan said in his review that they have a longer working time than the Contrast paints.

Personally, I would like to see an Xpress Color version of Ratling Grime to dirty up some of the mechanical bits in the Battlemechs that I'm painting and would prefer a matte finish.

EDIT: Juan has posted a review (no video) of the new Game Color paints on his YouTube channel

Juan Hidalgo wrote:just got a full set of the New Vallejo Game Color range and I knew I had to paint something special with them. This bust by Maxime Penaud was perfect.

I believe we are in front of one of the best paints ranges in the market. They have MASSIVELY improved the range.

The main improvements are:

- Ultra Matte finish
- Exceptional coverage
- Incredible stability, can be thinned down to insanely thin glazes without breaking
- Longer working time, so you can blend them and feather them like a dream
- Incredible saturation and vibrancy

They also have, a new full set of inks including a WHITE and also an Ultra Matte varnish, not that the paints need it but it's always something great to have.

All in all, I believe that these are the best paints ever made by Vallejo.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Wait.. longer drying times for the new Model Colour? or Xpress Colour (when compared to contrasts?) or both?

Model Color paints are not being changed or receiving new paints at this time (as far as we know). The reformulated Game Color paints have a longer drying time than the previous line. As for the Xpress Color, I do believe Juan said in his review that they have a longer working time than the Contrast paints.

Typo - I meant Game Colour rather than Model Colour, so thanks for the info on both those and the Xpress. I haven't had a chance to watch that video yet. I guess the new Game Colour may have to be used as a specific tool rather than a workhorse paint for me going forward. It'll depend on how long it takes to dry in practise. I've certainly started stockpiling my go-to existing colours as I don't want to have to change my painting methods when doing certain things.

I don't mind if the drying time for the new Game Colour range is a bit longer, as long as they have the same coverage for us crazy people who live by one thick coat instead of 33,462,345 thin coats of glazing, and as long as the finish doesn't change for those of us who like a natural unvarnished paint finish.

I don't think I've ever used a standard hobby acrylic and thought "gee, I wish this would dry faster" So I'm not too worried about that. But if the coverage is still good and the finish is the same as my existing models painted with Game Colour, eek.

Anyone put off by the 17ml bottles? I think you’ll get through these pretty quick. GSW went with 70ml I think

Dunno, I still haven't fully spent my original contrasts...

mrFickle wrote:
Anyone put off by the 17ml bottles? I think you’ll get through these pretty quick. GSW went with 70ml I think

Isn't 17ml pretty much the standard for non GW?

 Dawnbringer wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Anyone put off by the 17ml bottles? I think you’ll get through these pretty quick. GSW went with 70ml I think

Isn't 17ml pretty much the standard for non GW?

So you buy more of them. To me its better to do that, and have all your paint pots able to use existing racking systems, rather than another bottle size to deal with.

mrFickle wrote:
Anyone put off by the 17ml bottles? I think you’ll get through these pretty quick. GSW went with 70ml I think

If it keeps the price per pot down, I don’t mind. Might have to buy multiples of the main 1 or 2 colours a large army, but it’s nice to be able to get a wider range of colours without breaking the bank, and if you only play skirmish games with no more than a few dozen models you likely won’t run out anyway.

Contrast pots are 18ml, they only look bigger than dropper bottles because they're wider and use the taller flip-tops. So no, nobody will be put off by the 17ml bottles for nearly half the price

Exciting news there will be 20 more colors, I'm really looking forward to this range.