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**kodos**

And TOW they are not and GW already dropped them by not updating them with the last Errata

That HH is doing things differently doesn't matter for TOW

**Altruizine**

kodos wrote:
And TOW they are not and GW already dropped them by not updating them with the last Errata

That HH is doing things differently doesn't matter for TOW

GW's most recent decision is always their most important one for forecasting the future.

**JWh85**

Guys, fact is we don't quite know what they will do with the legacy armies. Will we see them soon? I think not, i think Kislev will be coming out first.

But apart from speculation about things we don't know about, let's discuss the new Settra acrane journal and the apparently number of arcane journals like it to come. I'm so excited for Waagh! Spine-Cracker!

**kodos**

Altruizine wrote:
kodos wrote:
And TOW they are not and GW already dropped them by not updating them with the last Errata
That HH is doing things differently doesn't matter for TOW

GW's most recent decision is always their most important one for forecasting the future.

and that would be that legacy armies for TOW are not part of the game and therefore don't get an update to the latest rules
How they handle one game doesn't translate to another, AoS is handled differently to 40k, as is HH, Necromunda or Blood Bowl and Kill Team.

Otherwise you must conclude that factions are switching between main and legacy every season because this is what BB and KT do with oldest dropping out for new ones.
So Bretonnia and Khemri would become illegal for events while Cathay and Chaos Dwarfs join

But this isn't what is happening because there is no one model for all GW games.
And just because the HH rules say so doesn't make it work in TOW.

**BorderCountess**

scarletsquig wrote:
It definitely feels like Chaos Dwarves should have been an old world release, but maybe its the only way the project got approval, for the sales to show up under the AoS sales category, even if half of them end up on square bases.

If I were an AoS player, my main concern going in would be that the army eventually gets "Old World Squatted" like Beasts of Chaos did.

It's a good way to get money from both playerbases, get people to buy it as an AoS army, then once sales falter in a decade or so, shove it in TOW to get a second round of profit out of it.

This is... not a great comparison. Beastmen got almost zero support during the near-decade of AoS, and GW decided to remove them from one game to put them in another.

The idea that at some point they're going to take all these brand-new Chaos Dwarf models and shunt them to Old World is borderline laughable.

**Shakalooloo**

BorderCountess wrote:

The idea that at some point they're going to take all these brand-new Chaos Dwarf models and shunt them to Old World is borderline laughable.

Yet I'd still rate the likelihood of that as higher than the Dark Elves being returned to TOW.

**Overread**

Shakalooloo wrote:
BorderCountess wrote:

The idea that at some point they're going to take all these brand-new Chaos Dwarf models and shunt them to Old World is borderline laughable.

Yet I'd still rate the likelihood of that as higher than the Dark Elves being returned to TOW.

Part of me wonders if we'll be here on the 20th birthday of AoS with the Dark elves still having done nothing but still on sale!

**Vulcan**

chaos0xomega wrote:
scarletsquig wrote:
It definitely feels like Chaos Dwarves should have been an old world release, but maybe its the only way the project got approval, for the sales to show up under the AoS sales category, even if half of them end up on square bases.

If I were an AoS player, my main concern going in would be that the army eventually gets "Old World Squatted" like Beasts of Chaos did.

It's a good way to get money from both playerbases, get people to buy it as an AoS army, then once sales falter in a decade or so, shove it in TOW to get a second round of profit out of it.

LMAO.

The real risk is the opposite occuring - TOW 2nd edition releases and GW doesnt update the Legacy factions leaving TOW legacy army fans with piles of unusable plastic, in the hopes that they then round base them and accept their lot as age of sigmar players.

Those of us willing to do that already did so in the time between the death of WFB and the start of TOW.

This sort of thing is why my interest in the Hhhhhobby is rapidly waning. I'm seriously considering selling off most of my stuff since it's effectively trash now.

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Altruizine wrote:
We just saw GW panic-react (yes-yes) to the wave of negativity that deprecating options in HH 3.0 produced, so I think it's likely that it influences their behaviour going forward. Players will get doubly mad over armies being abandoned (versus units or models), but there are also probably more HH players than TOW players to kick up a stink (although probably not that many more).

Most importantly, we have credible reports that the recent Horus Hatesy impacted sales for the Saturnine launch box. People can choose to dissemble and say that there were other reasons for the soft sales, like the unit makeup in the box or whatever, but I think that's copium. Nobody walked away from their preorder because they concluded that the models were sidegrades of things they already had, or inefficient building blocks for starting an army from scratch.

So then the question becomes, do you think TOW 2.0 is going to have a *real* launch product, or be another mish-mash of recyclables? To me it seems likely that it will be a real box, probably containing brand new plastics and probably even at least one brand new faction. Is GW going to risk poisoning their launch environment again by openly neglecting the Legacy factions? I doubt it.

You do know this is the same company that poisoned the launch of AoS by blowing up WFB, right?

Yeah, it worked out for them in that they attracted a bunch of new players. But it made their contempt for their existing fanbase CRYSTAL clear.

**Alpharius**

I'm not really feeling the AoS Chaos Dwarfs...I guess I'm hoping they're popular enough that GW re-releases all the old Chaos Dwarf stuff and maybe gives us a White Dwarf Army Book too - so everything old can be new again!

**Psychopomp**

Alpharius wrote:
I'm not really feeling the AoS Chaos Dwarfs...I guess I'm hoping they're popular enough that GW re-releases all the old Chaos Dwarf stuff and maybe gives us a White Dwarf Army Book too - so everything old can be new again!

I'd probably pick up some sculpts I'm missing if there was a Made to Order of the old metals. Especially the hobgoblin command and the wolf riders.

I've avoided the nostalgia bait so far, but that would probably get my first MtO money. That, or a MtO reprint of WHQ95.

**Mallo**

Peasant & Men at Arms made to order next week:

- Peasant Bowmen
- Peasant Bowmen Command
- Men-at-Arms with Spears
- Men-at-Arms with Spears Command
- Men-at-Arms with Halberds
- Men-at-Arms with Halberds Command.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/uwsdjvro/sunday-preview-protect-the-yields/

**Overread**

Probably a bit on the expensive side to form multiple units from; but could be neat for those who want some classic models for a single squad or maybe two.

**nathan2004**

Were these Perry sculpted?

**eNJayBe**

It looks like the bowmen were sculpted by Alan and the men-at-arms by Michael Perry (according to the 1998 annual).

**zedmeister**

Nice, a good choice for a MtO. A few years ago, these were a pretty penny in the aftermarket

**Mallo**

Overread wrote:
Probably a bit on the expensive side to form multiple units from; but could be neat for those who want some classic models for a single squad or maybe two.

Yeah, I don't have much right to complain about the cost of MTO runs when I just ordered an entire MTO swan knight army for middle earth war of the ring, but I'm struggling to work out how you'd easily buy decent set of units from these without having either a ton of left over models, be short of models (without having to resort to a lot of unit fillers) or really just go all out and hope you order enough in prior to seeing the whats in store in the Arcane Journal that might have new rules or army list for the campaign here.

Its less the cost, but rather the sale of '6' and '3'. For MTO, I almost prefer that they also add an option that gives a full unit of 20 minis with command.

I really like these sculpts those and got a lot of the other ones for gifts earlier in the year, so I figure I'm going to have to get some of these at least. I guess you could fill any gaps in the units with the cheaper plastic models which are readily available year round.

**nathan2004**

eNJayBe wrote:
It looks like the bowmen were sculpted by Alan and the men-at-arms by Michael Perry (according to the 1998 annual).

Thank you! I do love these minis.

**The Black Adder**

Aye, these are lovely classic models. I've never been keen on the current crop of Bretonnian minis with the tilting shield heraldic devices littered across the minis. These are so much more grounded and aesthetically pleasing. On the other hand I'm sure these will just leave a black hole in your bank account and are a pretty hard sell when the Perry twins also produce their own line of equally pretty Agincourt and War of the Roses minis in both metal and plastic.

A great offering though for those that like their minis "official" and in particular the archers are great sculpt.

**Lars Porsenna**

Of course these drop when I am low on money...

Back in the day, when these were still available from GW, I used to incorporate them into WAB. They mixed great with Front Rank Hundred Years War figures. Black Tree Design still has their range too, which is very much inspired by these figures, but with more awkward poses.

AFAIK much of the old 5e Brets range was sculpted by the Perries. I talked to them at Historicon one year, & told them how much I admired their ranges...

Damon.

**Coenus Scaldingus**

nathan2004 wrote:
eNJayBe wrote:
It looks like the bowmen were sculpted by Alan and the men-at-arms by Michael Perry (according to the 1998 annual).

Thank you! I do love these minis.

Some old sculpts haven't aged well, some old sculpts weren't good on release to begin with, but Perry sculpts truly have a habit of being great on release and feeling almost as fresh decades on. Just excellent.

**Snrub**

Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Some old sculpts haven't aged well, some old sculpts weren't good on release to begin with, but Perry sculpts truly have a habit of being great on release and feeling almost as fresh decades on. Just excellent.

Yeah just look at pretty much anything from the Middle-earth range. The Perry's sculpted the lions share of those minis and they all still looking fething amazing.

**Coenus Scaldingus**

Snrub wrote:
Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Some old sculpts haven't aged well, some old sculpts weren't good on release to begin with, but Perry sculpts truly have a habit of being great on release and feeling almost as fresh decades on. Just excellent.
Yeah just look at pretty much anything from the Middle-earth range. The Perry's sculpted the lions share of those minis and they all still looking fething amazing.

Aye, indeed! Does make you wonder how many hundreds of figures they have actually sculpted by now (when also considering their very extensive own lines of historicals). Wonder if anybody knows how many - wonder if they have any idea themselves!

**JWh85**

While a Perry miniature release is great (I use the old halberdiers champion as a sergeant-at-arms) and those models are (30 years on) still fantastic, i'dd rather have a hippogryph mto...the one unit still without a model release.

**Scottywan82**

Love these figures! I hope the prices aren't insane.

**Astmeister**

I hope they bring back the 4th edition metal halberdiers for empire.

**KidCthulhu**

My two wishlist items are never coming back; the original plastic Empire swordsmen/halberdiers box and plastic Chaos chosen...

I'm also really tempted to get a regiment of those Perry metals and I don't even play Bretonnians!

**Baragash**

I was hoping the Marauder High Elf dragon, Thaindon on Kargos, would get an MTO. It was one of my first WHF models, possibly my second after the original HE v Goblin boxed set.

**Skywave**

Whew, I'm glad I don't collect Bretionnian really (only have a few heroes and the Green Knights), otherwise I'd be all over those and get everything there and then some!

The 6+3 layout for the unit and commands is always weird, but I guess with 2 packs + a command it still gives you 15 models which is nice enough for a small unit (especially for display).

**RazorEdge**

I want the early 2000s Empire Statestroops in Plastic as MtO....

Do you guys knwo what would be funny?

Classic Starter Sets - MtO

6th Edition Empire vs Orks
7th Edition Dwarfs vs. Goblins
8th Edition High Elves vs. Skaven

with ToW compatible Journal Booklets.

**Return_to_Bretonnia**

I remember 15 being a nice unit size for Bretonnian "peasants" back in 5th edition. The number of different sculpts would usually multiply to 12 to make a unit of 15 including command: 6 different bowman sculpts, 4 spearmen, 3 halberdiers, etc.

There were originally two different bowman command sets. The MTO includes all 6 bowmen sculpts but only one of the command sets.

There were also two different spearman command sets. The MTO includes all 4 spearmen sculpts but again only one command set.

All halberdiers seem to be on the MTO.

I already have all of them, but you can never have too many 5th edition Perry Bretonnians. They were what made me start collecting.