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The first Kickstarter showed how many people were interested in the game setting.
With more factions and choices along with being-able to build forces from scratch.
Also seeing how much background is released for the game setting and more with people making thier own factions up it makes for a game that is easy to buy into.
I find it funny that the Finn article did not mention GW as one of Toumas's work places and the fact he did Mordheim.

 manic _miner wrote:
I find it funny that the Finn article did not mention GW as one of Toumas's work places and the fact he did Mordheim.

Doubly so because Toumas is clearly imitating nuGW writing style (long winded, overexplained legalese, fascinating mismanagement of USRs), but that should make modern GW players feel right at home.

I'm beginning to think the chief market for TC are GW orbiters waiting for the next specialist game. It pulled way, way more money than the blanchitsu/28 scene alone could manage.

Per Facebook the pledge manager will accept late pledges.

I asked in the KS comments while it was still running and someone confirmed they are hoping to eventually bring the game to retail.

So those of us who want to support a local store while playing there will have that option.

It's been a while since I've seen such a level of excitement and a community grabbing a game with both hands. I don't know if it is the evocative setting, the ex-GW bigwigs (artists & creators), or the inclusive/3d print & alternative-mini friendly approach? Or all of the above.

Well being long standing has a big help; and doing physical and STL sales is a huge leg up because a lot of people still don't own a 3D printer (And even if they do there's benefit in paying someone else ofr a completed model and not having to fiddle with the machine)

Physical game sales are always going to beat digital ones.

I think that anyone playing in a local store would have bought different sets of miniatures from them to kitbash the figures for the game.
You never know you might get some shops start to sell single sprues so that people can get started quickly if they are on a budget.
It can only be a win for shops to have people playing this game as with others to help bring people into the shop.Everyone needs glue,paint and basing materials.Then terrain too.
It would be great to see the miniatures get a plastic release down the road.But i am not sure if the sales would cover the costs of doing it.You only need say seven or so of the normal basic trooper types.Not large forces or even just thirty of them,yet that is.

 Overread wrote:


Physical game sales are always going to beat digital ones.

Being able to run a demo and then point a interested player to a box on the shelf in a FLGS is the best way to grow a game and a community for it. 100%

What I've found interesting is that there seem to be a lot of people in their socials saying that this is their first experience with tabletop gaming. Maybe they reached a lot of the ttrpg crowd.

Franchina & Pirinen are old hands in the industry, crowdfunding + name recognition have combined wonderfully for them here.

Irdiumstern wrote:What I've found interesting is that there seem to be a lot of people in their socials saying that this is their first experience with tabletop gaming. Maybe they reached a lot of the ttrpg crowd.

That is interesting; I was mainly expecting it to be attracting 40k and ex-40k players given the overlapping themes, and the fact that I was precisely expecting a comparatively unknown game to mainly reach people already in the hobby. But I guess it got some good coverage outside of it then, that's great actually.

 manic _miner wrote:
I find it funny that the Finn article did not mention GW as one of Toumas's work places and the fact he did Mordheim.

They did, they just misspelled his name in that sentence it seems?

Games Workshop is Pirise's former employer, for whom he made, among other things, the popular game Mordheim .

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JWBS wrote:
Franchina & Pirinen are old hands in the industry, crowdfunding + name recognition have combined wonderfully for them here.

That wouldn't really track with the amount of folks who say it's their first venture into the genre. Their names don't account for much outside of grognard circles, unless Pirinen's experience in the video game industry counts.

Laughing Man wrote:

 manic _miner wrote:
I find it funny that the Finn article did not mention GW as one of Toumas's work places and the fact he did Mordheim.

They did, they just misspelled his name in that sentence it seems?

Games Workshop is Pirise's former employer, for whom he made, among other things, the popular game Mordheim .

That's just Google Translate not understanding Finnish grammar. (And who could blame it? )

I've also heard some instances of people stumbling into TC with no prior wargaming experience or knowledge. Maybe there's some high tier viral marketing going on? Or else grimdark anti-christianity is somehow resonating with normies significantly more than any other gaming theme ever.

Many are indeed enjoying the Grimdark Pro-Christianity aesthetic.

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JWBS wrote:
Franchina & Pirinen are old hands in the industry, crowdfunding + name recognition have combined wonderfully for them here.

That wouldn't really track with the amount of folks who say it's their first venture into the genre. Their names don't account for much outside of grognard circles, unless Pirinen's experience in the video game industry counts.

The product is also really good, it's that classic GW art style that GW seem incapable or unwilling to ship these days.

The Black Grail faction brings to mind a type of look/artstyle that I wish Nurgle's stuff actually had. But GW has steered Nurgle into a sillier direction over time with the sloppity bilepiper and stuff. I think the toughest thing i'm dealing with in regards to Trench Crusade is actually committing to a faction. Glad I don't have to actually decide until later next week with the pledge manager.

A friend of mine that enjoys wargames to an extent but is hard to get exctied about them was really enthusiastic about the project when I showed it to them. Something about the aesthetic really speaks to people, I imagine it's the twisted and blasphemous take on the typical western church art, much like Dark Souls series?

I like the look and feel of this, but I know I wouldn't be able to find players to play with or hobby time for it outside of the games I already dick around with. Sadly, I'm passing for now, but hoping it gets big and successful over many years.

That saaaaaid...

I remember a number of GW conspiracy theorists who tied the announcement of The Old World to some kind of rank-and-flank Mantic game/KS that had been gathering steam at the exact same time. The sicko freak in me hopes that the same fictional GW agitprop division is watching the success of Trench Crusade and decides to tease a Mordheim rerelease.

Angronsrosycheeks wrote:
A friend of mine that enjoys wargames to an extent but is hard to get exctied about them was really enthusiastic about the project when I showed it to them. Something about the aesthetic really speaks to people, I imagine it's the twisted and blasphemous take on the typical western church art, much like Dark Souls series?

You may be on to something there with the Dark Souls aesthetic theory!

 Alpharius wrote:

Angronsrosycheeks wrote:
A friend of mine that enjoys wargames to an extent but is hard to get exctied about them was really enthusiastic about the project when I showed it to them. Something about the aesthetic really speaks to people, I imagine it's the twisted and blasphemous take on the typical western church art, much like Dark Souls series?

You may be on to something there with the Dark Souls aesthetic theory!

Yeah, a bunch of my video game friends have been hearing about it and asking me and they've mentioned it's got that Dark Souls look.

As I mentioned above, the Helldivers 2 devs have been pushing people towards it on their personal social media, so there's definitely exposure to non-wargamers by various outlets.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I've also heard some instances of people stumbling into TC with no prior wargaming experience or knowledge. Maybe there's some high tier viral marketing going on?

You can probably find people who stumbled upon a project in any decently sized kickstarter.

I wouldn't be looking for some grand scheme behind the success of TC, when a set of happy coincidences and a previously underserved market are more likely.

One reason KS has maintained itself as a market leader in its own niche it made is that it does have the power of being around long enough that it has some impact on its own just being on KS as opposed to a number of other similar sites. People take KS more "seriously" they pay attention to them when the ads appear; and there's more chance people have a KS account or know someone who does to remove some of the barrier to entry*.


*it sounds silly but yes just being registered on a site can be barrier to some not wanting to just signup. It's why webstores have started doing guest accounts where you can just buy something with registering first and then registering after.

JWBS wrote:
Many are indeed enjoying the Grimdark Pro-Christianity aesthetic.

I feel like if you think Trench Crusade is somehow pro-Christianity, you may be missing the point.

I feel if you think it's somehow anti-Christianity, you may be missing the point.

Given that the portrayal of christianity in the setting is not one that is generally positive and is only viewed as acceptable in the context of being less bad than the alternative?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Given that the portrayal of christianity in the setting is not one that is generally positive and is only viewed as acceptable in the context of being less bad than the alternative?

And not even consistently less bad, given one of the Jesuses voluntarily defected to Hell's side, and you've got non-Christian human factions that seem somewhat less awful (in that they don't appear to be factory farming Jesuses to feed their soldiers).

chaos0xomega wrote:
Given that the portrayal of christianity in the setting is not one that is generally positive and is only viewed as acceptable in the context of being less bad than the alternative?

Yes this would be enough, wouldn't it.

They're feeding clones Jesuses to random people to make them into insane supersoldiers. C'mon, these are not good people.

Vicarious atonement and sacrament. Come on guys we're media literacy appreciators here.

Awful things are still awful even if you think your religion demands them...

Cloning Jesus is straight out of the 'Preacher' guide to terrible things the Church can do.