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2023/02/09 12:22:56
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Overread wrote: There are loads of alternate poses you could do even without jumping off rocks. Just bringing their outer back hands in more would make a huge difference. They are still all running the same way they always have.
Plus there's no reason they couldn't have gained spikes, spines or other features over the years. Many other units have changed drastically over the generations.
Of course sometimes no change is good and sometimes change for the sake of change along isn't what's needed
I think Genestealers have reached the point where they're 'classic' and every departure from how they've always been causes more backlash than it's worth. Just like e.g. Terminators, you can do endless variations in posing, bling or gear, but the core will always be a 'classic' terminator shape and silhouette.
2023/02/09 12:58:15
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
A starter box where every single thing is a brand new unit for both sides? Has that happened before?
10+ new Primaris kits and 12+ new Tyranid kits, most of which are completely new units, sounds a bit too much to me though. That sounds like an absolutely huge addition to Primaris and range refresh for Tyranids, more than seems believable although Necrons did get a big refresh too.
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2023/02/09 13:03:42
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
A starter box where every single thing is a brand new unit for both sides? Has that happened before?
10+ new Primaris kits and 12+ new Tyranid kits, most of which are completely new units, sounds a bit too much to me though. That sounds like an absolutely huge addition to Primaris and range refresh for Tyranids, more than seems believable although Necrons did get a big refresh too.
Wasn't 8th Dark Imperium all brand spanking new?
2023/02/09 13:08:14
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
The primaris side of 8th was their intro, so 100% new. Can’t speak for the DG half.
The 9th box had a chaplain, which was a straight existing character. You could argue about the gear options for the captain/Lt being new. Units were all new at the time. Marine side; again can’t speak for the OpFor (although the warriors were a new cut of an old unit)
A starter box where every single thing is a brand new unit for both sides? Has that happened before?
10+ new Primaris kits and 12+ new Tyranid kits, most of which are completely new units, sounds a bit too much to me though. That sounds like an absolutely huge addition to Primaris and range refresh for Tyranids, more than seems believable although Necrons did get a big refresh too.
Island of Blood was new Skaven and High Elves on both sides. It only failed because they made both the unique sets of models on the same mould so you couldn't have one without the other. It was also a series of changes that they never brought to individual release for either force as well.
Nevelon wrote: The primaris side of 8th was their intro, so 100% new. Can’t speak for the DG half.
The 9th box had a chaplain, which was a straight existing character. You could argue about the gear options for the captain/Lt being new. Units were all new at the time. Marine side; again can’t speak for the OpFor (although the warriors were a new cut of an old unit)
Scarabs, warriors and overlord existed, but new options for both, likewise the cryptek was a new flavour of cryptek and the chickens were new.
In terms of hypothetical contents that box is not outside the realm of possibility or normal. Sigmar added entirely new units for both factions in dominion as well.
2023/02/09 13:41:07
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
"Arduanters" sounds very fake to me, can someone come out of the bushes to explain the real life historical context I am ignorant of like when Reivers were announced please? TIA
2023/02/09 13:45:00
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Island of Blood was new Skaven and High Elves on both sides. It only failed because they made both the unique sets of models on the same mould so you couldn't have one without the other. It was also a series of changes that they never brought to individual release for either force as well.
minor correction, they did last year as the Island of Blood Skaven are now available stand-alone as Warrior Box of 20
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
2023/02/09 13:46:20
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Billicus wrote: "Arduanters" sounds very fake to me, can someone come out of the bushes to explain the real life historical context I am ignorant of like when Reivers were announced please? TIA
Quick google:
Ardaunt is anglo-saxon of ardent, which in turn is "expressing passion/spirit/enthusiasm" or "generating heat". Bit of a tenuous link but might be to represent those who are very passionate about their duty. Likely a fake name, but a lot of them are at best loosey goosey anyway.
2023/02/09 13:47:28
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
They had to re-design the clanrats in the stand alone box, as in Isle of blood they were designed mixed on the same spruce as everything else in the box.
Mentlegen324 wrote: A starter box where every single thing is a brand new unit for both sides? Has that happened before?
Genestealers, Lictors and a Warrior Primus aren't new units. I imagine they'll get a new datasheet but bigger scouts aren't either really.
I would say this all sounds plausible enough, but obviously the Terminator description doesn't gel with the other rumours that have made them sound like an upscaled more traditional unit (but it must be said this sort of re-invention is more consistent with GW's design approach now, even down to clumsily gluing on an extra missile launcher).
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2023/02/09 14:03:01
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Keep in mind that an 'all new' box set wasn't ever even possible before 8th edition. Half of every box was Space Marines, and they've always supposed to be strictly attached to tactical/assault/devastator & etc.
Primaris provided a way out of that (for good or ill). Though I don't think even more new units is a good plan for SM. Especially two more stupidly interchangeable I-names (though that sadly makes this more believable)
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2023/02/09 14:06:25
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Has the 'Leonitus Crusade' been mentioned before? Is this anything to do with the Lion? Possibly more details pointing to it being a Dark Angel themed starter set?
Do the types of infantry in this set make it seem more like a certain chapter over others?
The jump pack side of this set makes me think Blood Angels but the mix of terminator primaris and scouts makes me think it could be Dark Angels also. The DA do also like to use a combined arms approach (green wing). Then again could still be Ultramarines?
Edit:
Also anyone find it interesting there's no dread or vehicle in this? Just all infantry. Must be the terminator type guys in place of a tank?
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2023/02/09 14:25:37
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Leonitus Crusade sounds more like a misspelling of Leontus, the new Lord Solar. Would make sense for a new character said to take direct tactical inspiration from Solar Macharius to launch his own Crusade
2023/02/09 14:50:09
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Tim the Biovore wrote: Leonitus Crusade sounds more like a misspelling of Leontus, the new Lord Solar. Would make sense for a new character said to take direct tactical inspiration from Solar Macharius to launch his own Crusade
Leontus is supporting the Indomitus Crusade, per the Guard book, and quite busy in the Sol Segmentum with uprisings of xeno and Chaos cults.
Regarding the new rumours:
The thing that I find hardest to believe is the Chapter Master model...unless it's a hint towards Guilliman reforming the Legions to an extent.
2023/02/09 14:53:19
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
AoS has no toughness and you rarely measure any of your stats against an incoming stat(like Strength v. Toughness). AoS is also much less inclined to give stuff rend(ap in AoS).You can get maybe -1 rend but only the big toys and heroes can get a better rend.
So honestly the rumors kind of make me feel that 40k might go more AoS than 40k. Only time will tell though.
I really hope not. Having both fixed to hit and fixed to wound roll is pointless. In AOS you have interesting weapon choices like choosing between 3+ to hit and 4+ to wound and 4+ to hit and 3+ to wound...
Getting rid of Strength vs Toughness would massively narrow the design space that allows different weapons to be effective against different targets, which in turn would remove large chunk of tactics.
I play AoS extensively and I think it is a very balanced game for the most part(or as balanced a GW game can get). I would also say that I enjoy it more these days than 40k. If anything I'd argue that AoS would be made worse with a S v T table.
Ultimately the design space is a bit of an illusion I think. A lot of games have simplified structure and are doing fine. We also do not know what the keywords are going to be in 10th. Could very well be that tanks and other heavy duty items get keywords that mean infantry can't wound them. We'll have to see how that turns out.
2023/02/09 14:53:42
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Tim the Biovore wrote: Leonitus Crusade sounds more like a misspelling of Leontus, the new Lord Solar. Would make sense for a new character said to take direct tactical inspiration from Solar Macharius to launch his own Crusade
Leonatos also exists/existed and was a Blood Angels Captain that led a warband on a penitent quest into the Warp, the famed Bloodquest from the comic, and later novel, of the same name.
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2023/02/09 14:56:06
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Tim the Biovore wrote: Leonitus Crusade sounds more like a misspelling of Leontus, the new Lord Solar. Would make sense for a new character said to take direct tactical inspiration from Solar Macharius to launch his own Crusade
Leonatos also exists/existed and was a Blood Angels Captain that led a warband on a penitent quest into the Warp, the famed Bloodquest from the comic, and later novel, of the same name.
Or maybe it's supposed to be the LEONIDUS Crusade. The Lion on Crusade?
2023/02/09 15:04:21
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Tim the Biovore wrote: Feels like pretty poor writing even by GW standards if the Leonitus Crusade is real so hot on the heels of a dude Leontus with no relation.
Though I guess GW aren't exactly strangers to coming up with stupid names
I think the Cthonian Berserks put any suggestion GW cares about that to bed.
2023/02/09 15:25:38
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Tim the Biovore wrote: Feels like pretty poor writing even by GW standards if the Leonitus Crusade is real so hot on the heels of a dude Leontus with no relation.
Though I guess GW aren't exactly strangers to coming up with stupid names
I think the Cthonian Berserks put any suggestion GW cares about that to bed.
Or the fact they named so many planets Angelis they had to make an in-universe explanation for the confusion.
2023/02/09 15:47:07
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Tim the Biovore wrote: Feels like pretty poor writing even by GW standards if the Leonitus Crusade is real so hot on the heels of a dude Leontus with no relation.
Though I guess GW aren't exactly strangers to coming up with stupid names
I think the Cthonian Berserks put any suggestion GW cares about that to bed.
You know that Cthonia isn't a planet they're all coming from, right?
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2023/02/09 16:46:29
Subject: 10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Tim the Biovore wrote: Feels like pretty poor writing even by GW standards if the Leonitus Crusade is real so hot on the heels of a dude Leontus with no relation.
Though I guess GW aren't exactly strangers to coming up with stupid names
I think the Cthonian Berserks put any suggestion GW cares about that to bed.
You know that Cthonia isn't a planet they're all coming from, right?
To be fair, that would not be the most outlandish assumption to make, given that Cthonia is an actual planet of importance in the setting
2023/02/09 17:00:08
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
A starter box where every single thing is a brand new unit for both sides? Has that happened before?
10+ new Primaris kits and 12+ new Tyranid kits, most of which are completely new units, sounds a bit too much to me though. That sounds like an absolutely huge addition to Primaris and range refresh for Tyranids, more than seems believable although Necrons did get a big refresh too.
Genestealers isn't new unit.
If you mean sculpt about every edition launch...9e, 8e, 6e,5e. 4e, 3e. 7e wasn't as it was 6e again.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2023/02/09 17:08:18
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
A starter box where every single thing is a brand new unit for both sides? Has that happened before?
10+ new Primaris kits and 12+ new Tyranid kits, most of which are completely new units, sounds a bit too much to me though. That sounds like an absolutely huge addition to Primaris and range refresh for Tyranids, more than seems believable although Necrons did get a big refresh too.
Genestealers isn't new unit.
If you mean sculpt about every edition launch...9e, 8e, 6e,5e. 4e, 3e. 7e wasn't as it was 6e again.
I had originally put "model" but, for some reason, I edited it to "unit".
2023/02/09 17:41:28
Subject: Re:10th edition rumours courtesy of Valrak, including starter box, new terminators and tyranids
Island of Blood was new Skaven and High Elves on both sides. It only failed because they made both the unique sets of models on the same mould so you couldn't have one without the other. It was also a series of changes that they never brought to individual release for either force as well.
minor correction, they did last year as the Island of Blood Skaven are now available stand-alone as Warrior Box of 20
Island of Blood used pre-existing Clanrat sculpts for the Skaven infantry; the only difference is the IoB ones had the shield sculpted on instead of separate like in the full (pre-existing) kit. That said, it was/is a kit everyone was happy with and no one wanted it to change at all, so there was no desire or reason to alter it from GW or customers.
Other sculpts from IoB... well take a look on ebay to see the insane markups they go for now. Speaks for itself really.
Dudeface wrote: From the WE discord, no idea if it's the same people who gave us the WE info early. If it is then high reliability, if not then it all seems very plausible but not impossible to be a wishlist:
Spoiler:
More info on 10th Edition
>New Starter Box Contents: Leonitus Crusade
SPACE MARINES
-1 Primaris Chapter Master (Think Gravis but not haunched over, armed with Power Sword and bolt pistol)
-1 Primaris Prosecutor (armed with a two-handed axe)
-1 Primaris Noviate Master (Scout Master, armed with Sniper Rifle)
-10 Primaris Space Marine Intervectors (Jump Pack Primaris, have bolter gauntlets)
-5 Primaris Noviates (New Primaris Scouts, armed with Hellblast Shotguns)
-3 Primaris Arduanters (New Primaris Terminators, equipped with Graviton Hammers and Shields, in new type of Gravis Armor)
-3 Primaris Instigators (Pimaris with shoulder mounted Grav Cannons)
TYRANIDS
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to "evolve" units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, has two Devourers, a large sword and a claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New evloved form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Strange mix of venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, has an options for armored plates and acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Think blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New breed of warriors, designed to be even better shock troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
New Kits Tyranid kits:
-New models for Termagaunts and Hormagaunts, dual kit
-New Models for Biovores and Pyrovores, dual kit that now comes in threes
-New dual kit of Cerebrofex and new super-carnifex (Genetics based off old One Eye)
-THREE NEW BIG MONSTER KITS (They say that most Nid players like their big monsters)
-New Red Terror
New Marine Kits:
-Plethora of new Characters to represent old command structure (Think the old resin character models, each one buffs a specific)
-New flying LoW called "Overlord Dropship", think a smaller Thunderhawk
-New Demolisher Tank,
-New "Veteran" unit of Assault Intercessors
-Arduant Kits can make classic Powerfist and Bolter, but with each get a missile launcher on top)
A starter box where every single thing is a brand new unit for both sides? Has that happened before?
10+ new Primaris kits and 12+ new Tyranid kits, most of which are completely new units, sounds a bit too much to me though. That sounds like an absolutely huge addition to Primaris and range refresh for Tyranids, more than seems believable although Necrons did get a big refresh too.
Genestealers isn't new unit.
If you mean sculpt about every edition launch...9e, 8e, 6e,5e. 4e, 3e. 7e wasn't as it was 6e again.
I had originally put "model" but, for some reason, I edited it to "unit".
Well edition starters are usually brand new sculpts. 7e was exception as it copied 6e contents minus books.
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