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Tsagualsa wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Eh, kids too ugly to be a Blood Angel.

Must be a Dark Angel.

Didn't baby Sanguinius also have, you know... wings?

That's taking the (presumably generic) tarot too literally. One of the T'au ones earlier was a woman with a horse, but still referring to T'au.

 Rihgu wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Eh, kids too ugly to be a Blood Angel.

Must be a Dark Angel.

Didn't baby Sanguinius also have, you know... wings?

That's taking the (presumably generic) tarot too literally. One of the T'au ones earlier was a woman with a horse, but still referring to T'au.

Yeah i know. There's some level of not-literalness in there, like taking 'the young warrior' for the Tau via 'the Tau are a young race', unlike the literal T'au Farsight, who is, quite contrary, exceptionally old for his race. Point being: the cards are quite literally up for interpretation and have some level of ambiguity in them, so for now people should keep in mind that different interpretations might be valid, depending on what they're smoking in GW HQ

Can someone explain to me what the DA vs BA discussion is doing in this thread?

The title of the thread deals with 10th ed and its starter set.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Can someone explain to me what the DA vs BA discussion is doing in this thread?

The title of the thread deals with 10th ed and its starter set.

At the moment there's a bit of a lull in 10th edition rumours, but a bunch of the newer rumours have staked their credibility on the question of the 5th book in the Arks of Omen series - one batch of rumours says that that book throws a curveball and is about the Sanguinor, while several other batches and rumourmongers say it's about the Lion. Solving that question would mean that we know that either batch is probably fake or at least false. So we're debating that right now because we at least get the drip-feed of a new tarot card each friday for sure.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Can someone explain to me what the DA vs BA discussion is doing in this thread?

The title of the thread deals with 10th ed and its starter set.

The title does, but if you read the actual post it includes both starter set stuff and the rumours about the Lion.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Can someone explain to me what the DA vs BA discussion is doing in this thread?

The title of the thread deals with 10th ed and its starter set.

At the moment there's a bit of a lull in 10th edition rumours, but a bunch of the newer rumours have staked their credibility on the question of the 5th book in the Arks of Omen series - one batch of rumours says that that book throws a curveball and is about the Sanguinor, while several other batches and rumourmongers say it's about the Lion. Solving that question would mean that we know that either batch is probably fake or at least false. So we're debating that right now because we at least get the drip-feed of a new tarot card each friday for sure.

Which makes the semi-ambiguous tarot even more funny. GW is secretly playing all the sides.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
GW is secretly playing all the sides.

That would involve them understanding a set of rules for once, and thus can't be true

Fatherless son: return of one of the two un-named Primarchs?

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Fatherless son: return of one of the two un-named Primarchs?

All Primarchs, not being a result “how’s your father” are fatherless. And indeed motherless.

They’re constructs, and singularly unnatural beings.

My speculation is that it's Dante.

And that the Lion wont be an 'Arks of Omen' book at all, but rather the focus of the new edition and whatever they call it.

In other words, the Arks of Omen is setting the scene for 10th edition, the opening act before the Lion takes the stage.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Eh, kids too ugly to be a Blood Angel.

Must be a Dark Angel.

Didn't baby Sanguinius also have, you know... wings?

Yea, but he *could be* laying on them, so I'll stuck with the Uggo Lion.

drbored wrote:
My speculation is that it's Dante.

And that the Lion wont be an 'Arks of Omen' book at all, but rather the focus of the new edition and whatever they call it.

In other words, the Arks of Omen is setting the scene for 10th edition, the opening act before the Lion takes the stage.

If the Lion was the focus of the new edition, then I'd expect the starter set would involve the Dark Angels, but rumours have said its Blood Angels.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

drbored wrote:
My speculation is that it's Dante.

And that the Lion wont be an 'Arks of Omen' book at all, but rather the focus of the new edition and whatever they call it.

In other words, the Arks of Omen is setting the scene for 10th edition, the opening act before the Lion takes the stage.

If the Lion was the focus of the new edition, then I'd expect the starter set would involve the Dark Angels, but rumours have said its Blood Angels.

The rumours are they're painted like BA. Focus will probably be the Lion's adventures in Imperium Nihilus. DA and BA leading the charge against chaos squatters.

Maybe he's going to adopt the Blood Angels since Sanquinius is dead and they can go back to being in 1 codex like in 2nd edition!

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

drbored wrote:
My speculation is that it's Dante.

And that the Lion wont be an 'Arks of Omen' book at all, but rather the focus of the new edition and whatever they call it.

In other words, the Arks of Omen is setting the scene for 10th edition, the opening act before the Lion takes the stage.

If the Lion was the focus of the new edition, then I'd expect the starter set would involve the Dark Angels, but rumours have said its Blood Angels.

Various battling rumors have said both. Hence the thread.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Eh, kids too ugly to be a Blood Angel.

Actually, that fits Blood Angels more since they're elevated to beauty from hideous rad mutant children.

Voss wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

drbored wrote:
My speculation is that it's Dante.

And that the Lion wont be an 'Arks of Omen' book at all, but rather the focus of the new edition and whatever they call it.

In other words, the Arks of Omen is setting the scene for 10th edition, the opening act before the Lion takes the stage.

If the Lion was the focus of the new edition, then I'd expect the starter set would involve the Dark Angels, but rumours have said its Blood Angels.

Various battling rumors have said both. Hence the thread.

2 that I can see in the OP here mention Dark Angels for the starter, but it seems that more have suggested its Blood Angels.

Or the old Valrak rumour that it’s going to be a Angels of Death combo with both Blood and Dark (combined codex?)

 bullyboy wrote:
Or the old Valrak rumour that it’s going to be a Angels of Death combo with both Blood and Dark (combined codex?)

He said on stream yesterday that that isn't a rumour but just his theorising some people ran with.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Eh, kids too ugly to be a Blood Angel.

Actually, that fits Blood Angels more since they're elevated to beauty from hideous rad mutant children.

While true, that kid isn't mutant ugly, he's like 4 too many chromosomes ugly.

So definitely Dark Angel.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

drbored wrote:
My speculation is that it's Dante.

And that the Lion wont be an 'Arks of Omen' book at all, but rather the focus of the new edition and whatever they call it.

In other words, the Arks of Omen is setting the scene for 10th edition, the opening act before the Lion takes the stage.

If the Lion was the focus of the new edition, then I'd expect the starter set would involve the Dark Angels, but rumours have said its Blood Angels.

Various battling rumors have said both. Hence the thread.

2 that I can see in the OP here mention Dark Angels for the starter, but it seems that more have suggested its Blood Angels.

I doubt the quantity of people repeating stuff they've heard (or 'heard') has much bearing on what's in the box.

For what it's worth, what I understand is that the early rumors were that it would be 'Space Marines vs Tyranids' and a lot of people just started assuming Blood Angels.

It wasn't until later that we started getting rumors about the Dark Angels, and by that point the rumor reverb about the Blood Angels had taken root so deeply that these arguments started happening.

From what I understand, the only reason people assumed Blood Angels was because they're apparently the only space marine chapter allowed to fight Tyranids.

Personally I'm putting my faith in the Dark Angels rumors, because it's all that make sense with the Lion returning. I'm sure Blood Angels will get new updates as well, but I think the DA will be the posterboys of 10th.

drbored wrote:
From what I understand, the only reason people assumed Blood Angels was because they're apparently the only space marine chapter allowed to fight Tyranids.

Someone also started flinging around rumours that the fifth Arks of Omen book was going to be Sanguinor.

drbored wrote:
From what I understand, the only reason people assumed Blood Angels was because they're apparently the only space marine chapter allowed to fight Tyranids.

Both the Ultramarines and the Scythes of the Emperor would like a word with you regarding that understanding, at a bare minimum.

Didn't Tyranids nearly eat all the Ultramarines and their homeworld until someone did some warp trickery to bail out the marines

First fleet splinter (Behemoth?) wiped out all 100 First company at fortress of Hera iirc.

 Overread wrote:
Didn't Tyranids nearly eat all the Ultramarines and their homeworld until someone did some warp trickery to bail out the marines

The flagship of the Segmentum Fleet, Dominus Astra, banzaied into the core of the fleet and deliberately detonated its warp engines, wiping out most of the swarm.

BA Terminators vs Tyranids yet again sounds really boring though.
They badly need to bring back Matt Ward for some juicy creativity with the Blood Angels.


Seriously though. They really need to find something interresting to do for BA. There is plenty interresting themes in the chapter to do more than just slaughtering tyranids.

Many people will know but some will be surprised about Matthew Ward's great success as a fantasy writer after leaving GW. I've not read his stuff because even as a non-gamer his legendary 4chan entry left a mark on my psyche.

Added new stuff to the OP: Beastmen and Primaris and Exodites, oh my!

Edit 02/25/2023

A fresh video talks box sets and possible new armies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2lfolNIg-4

- Apparently a combat/boarding patrol box for Imperial Agents is on the way, including an Eversor assassin, Rogue Trader + retinue and Navis breachers
- Codex: Imperial Agents probably coming in 10th
- Says a lot of 10th starter box rumours are fake according to sources he trusts, video on 10th starter box to come next week
- Primaris Chapter Command box is in the works, contents unclear according to sources he trusts
- Kill Team: new box called 'Ashes of Faith' with chaos cultists Dark Commune against an unspecified enemy, possibly Exodites
- Beastmen are coming for Kill Team and getting 'lots of love'
- Warhammer World open day will reveal Farsight, the 4th AoO book, possibly some of the stuff above