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Dudeface wrote:
Oddly I don't doubt that conversation potentially happened. I just think it's utter rubbish.

That communication sounds quite genuine, as it seems nonsensical in a very 'real' way, i.e. it's random and meandering in an way that actual humans talk with each other, with random side discussions, repeated parts, misunderstandings and so on. Also, some of the stuff in there seems to have informed other rumours, the things about the Sanguinor for example seem to have led to the burner account dude on Bolter&Chainsword. Of course, all of that may be the same person, or several persons, we have no way of knowing that. But i don't think it is totally out of the question that someone is going around in the periphery of the hobby and slinging his made-up documents to random people for a handful of dollars here and there.

But can he do the fandango?

Would be nice if we could not get lists of really fake gobledeegook for like... a week.

We'll get some teasers soon, Adepticon next month, and hopefully that'll weed out a lot of the junk.

drbored wrote:
Would be nice if we could not get lists of really fake gobledeegook for like... a week.

We'll get some teasers soon, Adepticon next month, and hopefully that'll weed out a lot of the junk.

Gives us something to talk about at least

Dudeface wrote:

drbored wrote:
Would be nice if we could not get lists of really fake gobledeegook for like... a week.

We'll get some teasers soon, Adepticon next month, and hopefully that'll weed out a lot of the junk.

Gives us something to talk about at least

The wise man speaks because he has something to say; the fool speaks because he has to say something.

Personally, I'm okay with not talking if it means not having to discuss patently false 'rumors'.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

drbored wrote:
Would be nice if we could not get lists of really fake gobledeegook for like... a week.

We'll get some teasers soon, Adepticon next month, and hopefully that'll weed out a lot of the junk.

Gives us something to talk about at least

The wise man speaks because he has something to say; the fool speaks because he has to say something.

Personally, I'm okay with not talking if it means not having to discuss patently false 'rumors'.

I'm content-agnostic in archiving all that stuff - i'd exclude proven-fake stuff, but as long as it is a rumour and not proven fake it's going in for the time being. If we're deliberately being swamped with targeted nonsense that may change, but for now i'm logging what we're getting.

So until we have some potato cam pics the only sure thing is that the box will have SM vs nids, right?

Not even that really. Just seems likely as we've had chaos and necrons more recently and they are due a bit of a range revamp in places.

I don’t think there have been any contradicting rumors for nids, but no proof either.

So all signs point to bugs in the box, but the signs are all smoke signals.

Several of the folks involved in codex leaks via Discord for the last couple of years have said that the 10E launch focuses on BA vs nids. However as far as I'm aware none of them have shared on details on the specific rules or models involved.

 Nevelon wrote:
So all signs point to bugs in the box, but the signs are all smoke signals.

Bugs in the box set are a given

Oh you meant Tyranids

Smaug wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
So all signs point to bugs in the box, but the signs are all smoke signals.

Bugs in the box set are a given

Oh you meant Tyranids

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!

 xttz wrote:
Several of the folks involved in codex leaks via Discord for the last couple of years have said that the 10E launch focuses on BA vs nids. However as far as I'm aware none of them have shared on details on the specific rules or models involved.

That it is an older rumor makes me believe it more. GW was lining up Necrons for 9th almost as soon as 8th was out the door.


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Tsagualsa wrote:
It's not the dumbest scam honestly, if you went around quietly, made up some serious-sounding rumours with the promise of much more and offered it for a couple hundred bucks to interested parties like rumour sites, streamers and so on you could probably make a quick thousand or two-thousand bucks before anyone got wise to your tricks. A couple hundred is small change for some of the more popular youtubers, and they could rationalize it because you could get weeks of streaming content out of this if it was real.

And once again the community has to learn the lengths that gaks will go to make gak up for fun or otherwise.

New video from Valrak about the 10th boxset from his sources

-Terminators "huge thing" in the boxset, no info if Primaris or Firstborn
-Terminator Chaptain and Terminator Librarian
-about their design: bulky, more action poses
-Incinerators? new flame squad, like black templar pyreblaster
-New Veteran Squad, "more ranged type"
-New ranged only Dreadnought, lascannons and rockets, maybe "chonkier" - This one for range, redemptor as middle ground and brutalis as melee version
-NO jump assault marines, will be coming but not in boxset, no idea when
-generic ultramarines paint scheme
-still gathering Tyranid info, another video in the next weeks

I can sort of see that. The thing about jump pack marines in the starter set is that jump packs are a relatively advanced movement mechanic for a starter box, so they've always been an odd pick. Whereas Terminators are just marines, mechanics wise. And we've been told before that Ultramarines are the general poster boys for starter box sets because GW feels that blue is easy to paint compared to red, so I can't really see that changing.

 Matrindur wrote:
New video from Valrak about the 10th boxset from his sources

-Terminators "huge thing" in the boxset, no info if Primaris or Firstborn
-Terminator Chaptain and Terminator Librarian
-about their design: bulky, more action poses
-Incinerators? new flame squad, like black templar pyreblaster
-New Veteran Squad, "more ranged type"
-New ranged only Dreadnought, lascannons and rockets, maybe "chonkier" - This one for range, redemptor as middle ground and brutalis as melee version
-NO jump assault marines, will be coming but not in boxset, no idea when
-generic ultramarines paint scheme
-still gathering Tyranid info, another video in the next weeks

Duely added to the OP; thanks for writing the summary!

The shift towards Ultramarines in the starter box seems to come out of the left field and throws a lot of shade on most of the other rumours. Very interesting!

Personally i think these are true, because having yet another stupidly redone dreadnought that's basically an 'old dreadnought+' just like the Brutalis is a redone Furioso seems like the change for change's sake that's at the core of the Primaris/Marine lineup at the moment.

Interesting pivot on contents and SM chapter.

Suppose if you say everything, you'll hit on something...

Tsagualsa wrote:
Personally i think these are true, because having yet another stupidly redone dreadnought that's basically an 'old dreadnought+' just like the Brutalis is a redone Furioso seems like the change for change's sake that's at the core of the Primaris/Marine lineup at the moment.

But think of the modeling opportunities! A Mortis Castraferrum standing on a massive pile of corpses? Two Mortis Castraferrum in a trenchcoat? It's hard to choose. Maybe I'll make one of each.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Suppose if you say everything, you'll hit on something...

I'm having a big laugh if every single one of the Blood Angel / Dark Angel type rumours has been fake or made up

Having every commander be a terminator seems odd at this point, unless GW is aiming at a space-hulk like release... Which wouldn't be too far off given the Arks of Omen thing.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Suppose if you say everything, you'll hit on something...

I'm having a big laugh if every single one of the Blood Angel / Dark Angel type rumours has been fake or made up

Good fun for chatting about but yeah, these "rumour aggregators" are no more credible than spikey bits copy pastas back then.
Full of nada.

LostTemplar wrote:
Having every commander be a terminator seems odd at this point, unless GW is aiming at a space-hulk like release... Which wouldn't be too far off given the Arks of Omen thing.

If the majority of the contents are in Terminator armor, it would make sense to have the leaders match. There was the box with Phobos that had the captain, lieutenant and librarian all in phobos armor as well.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Suppose if you say everything, you'll hit on something...

I'm having a big laugh if every single one of the Blood Angel / Dark Angel type rumours has been fake or made up

Good fun for chatting about but yeah, these "rumour aggregators" are no more credible than spikey bits copy pastas back then.
Full of nada.

My largest nitpick with the 'aggregators' and among the reasons why i made the thread is that the aggregators, and Valrak specifically, nonchalantly go over all their failed predictions or hedge their bets by going 'Remember every rumour is a lie till it's confirmend, i'm just passing on stuff, washing my hands in innocence here'. It get's ridiculous really fast, to the point that the community has a conflicting opinion on how good a given outlet's track record actually is because no-one remembers the 10 failed predictions, but everybody harps on and on about the couple that came true. Once 10th is released, i'm gonna write a nice little after-action-report on that rumour season, using the chronological list as a scoreboard. That should settle that question.

Yeah it makes me think of the pre AOS rumors. “Boxset comes with a thief, a rogue, a wizard. The new setting is a bunch of floating islands or bubbles .”

I’m still hopeful the Lion will leak soon though. The other major primarchs, save for maybe Bobby G, all had pretty big leaks. I think mort may have been the worst

 GaroRobe wrote:
Yeah it makes me think of the pre AOS rumors. “Boxset comes with a thief, a rogue, a wizard. The new setting is a bunch of floating islands or bubbles .”

I’m still hopeful the Lion will leak soon though. The other major primarchs, save for maybe Bobby G, all had pretty big leaks. I think mort may have been the worst

Apparently there's a rumour dating back to from before Magnus was released, by Hastings of all people, that the primarchs would be returning and the order they've been working on them was Magnus, Guilliman, Mortarion, Angron and Russ If that turns out to be true via that 'Tree of Life' stuff...

I would love to see Russ come out instead of the Lion. Lot more story potential there.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Suppose if you say everything, you'll hit on something...

I'm having a big laugh if every single one of the Blood Angel / Dark Angel type rumours has been fake or made up

Good fun for chatting about but yeah, these "rumour aggregators" are no more credible than spikey bits copy pastas back then.
Full of nada.

My largest nitpick with the 'aggregators' and among the reasons why i made the thread is that the aggregators, and Valrak specifically, nonchalantly go over all their failed predictions or hedge their bets by going 'Remember every rumour is a lie till it's confirmend, i'm just passing on stuff, washing my hands in innocence here'. It get's ridiculous really fast, to the point that the community has a conflicting opinion on how good a given outlet's track record actually is because no-one remembers the 10 failed predictions, but everybody harps on and on about the couple that came true. Once 10th is released, i'm gonna write a nice little after-action-report on that rumour season, using the chronological list as a scoreboard. That should settle that question.

Valrak has definitely got a few things right in the past but at this point he's stated so many very different things, even some that seem contradictory to what he said before, that it's just getting quite absurd. It's like he just says whatever he hears and then goes "They're just rumours, just because I trust them doesn't mean you have to!" as if that's all that matters and means he gets absolved of all responsibility with the claims.

Unless he actually says stuff is from those same sources who have got things fairly correct previously, it's pretty pointless to use his past rumours as an indicator of credibility.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Suppose if you say everything, you'll hit on something...

I'm having a big laugh if every single one of the Blood Angel / Dark Angel type rumours has been fake or made up

Good fun for chatting about but yeah, these "rumour aggregators" are no more credible than spikey bits copy pastas back then.
Full of nada.

My largest nitpick with the 'aggregators' and among the reasons why i made the thread is that the aggregators, and Valrak specifically, nonchalantly go over all their failed predictions or hedge their bets by going 'Remember every rumour is a lie till it's confirmend, i'm just passing on stuff, washing my hands in innocence here'. It get's ridiculous really fast, to the point that the community has a conflicting opinion on how good a given outlet's track record actually is because no-one remembers the 10 failed predictions, but everybody harps on and on about the couple that came true. Once 10th is released, i'm gonna write a nice little after-action-report on that rumour season, using the chronological list as a scoreboard. That should settle that question.

Valrak has definitely got a few things right in the past but at this point he's stated so many very different things, even some that seem contradictory to what he said before, that it's just getting quite absurd. It's like he just says whatever he hears and then goes "They're just rumours, just because I trust them doesn't mean you have to!" as if that's all that matters and means he gets absolved of all responsibility with the claims.

Unless he actually says stuff is from those same sources who have got things fairly correct previously, it's pretty pointless to use his past rumours as an indicator of credibility.

To be honest he does get absolved of all responsibility, because they're rumours about warhammer, they have no real world impact or responsibilities associated with them. It wouldn't matter if he presented them to you or his sources, or random burner accounts or whatever presents them.

Maybe I'm just less bothered about it but it seems odd to get that invested and angry about who tells you what about hypothetical releases or changes to warhammer and its about time people stopped being bitter at people who provide content to discuss.

Note this is not the same as tracking rumour veracity, if a source is given and seeing how reliable someone is, is still valid.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:


Unless he actually says stuff is from those same sources who have got things fairly correct previously, it's pretty pointless to use his past rumours as an indicator of credibility.

We're keeping track of specifically that as well, after the season we'll see if his trusted sources have a significantly better track record than the others. Signs point to 'yes' for now, but the proof of the pudding has yet to arrive for a lot of their predictions.