10th Edition Rumour Roundup - in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only power levels

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**lord_blackfang**

I'm late to the party but I'm starting to buy into the Lion thing, the last few cards were pretty blatant.

**Tsagualsa**

Next Tarot Card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obv5lnps3tw

'The Star' - Conjunctus Malascendum - 'As wars rage beneath the Gaze of a newborn star'

**Mentlegen324**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm late to the party but I'm starting to buy into the Lion thing, the last few cards were pretty blatant.

The "last few cards"? Other than last weeks, I don't see how any of the others even hint at it being a possibility. Especially when the one before last week are for The 4th book which is Farsight.

**Tsagualsa**

Lol, the alchemical symbols on the 'cloth' around the star seem to be literally lifted from here:

https://www.wendoverart.com/35056

**lord_blackfang**

Mentlegen324 wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm late to the party but I'm starting to buy into the Lion thing, the last few cards were pretty blatant.

The "last few cards"? Other than last weeks, I don't see how any of the others even hint at it being a possibility. Especially when the one before last week are for The 4th book which is Farsight.

The Fool with the broken sword was obviously Cypher, was it not?

**oni**

We know Cypher was trying his hardest to get into the Golden Throne room.

We're pretty sure that Cypher has the Lion Sword.

We do not know Cyphers intensions.

Speculation: Might Cypher have been trying to, perhaps tasked with, taking the Lion Sword to the Emperor as proof that The Lion has been found and is alive and needs the Emperor's help?

**Mentlegen324**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Mentlegen324 wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm late to the party but I'm starting to buy into the Lion thing, the last few cards were pretty blatant.

The "last few cards"? Other than last weeks, I don't see how any of the others even hint at it being a possibility. Especially when the one before last week are for The 4th book which is Farsight.

The Fool with the broken sword was obviously Cypher, was it not?

That was a card for book 4 which is a Farsight/Xenos dedicated book, and it clearly had an Ethereal Honour Blade.

**Tyel**

I am doubting the 50 page rumour mainly because of the extent of the changes.

Its certainly possible but I can't see what the commercial incentive is for GW for undertake such a dramatic shift. The risk of chucking a lucrative baby out with the bathwater is obvious.

**kodos**

Well, everyone starting from scratch, everything being new for everyone and "need to wait for more to tell if bad or not" are big points as just minor changes with people already being in a bad mood about the game won't help either

Much easier to make a new game were no one can tell of it is broken until they are years in rather than trying to fix the old one

**Gadzilla666**

kodos wrote:
Well, everyone starting from scratch, everything being new for everyone and "need to wait for more to tell if bad or not" are big points as just minor changes with people already being in a bad mood about the game won't help either

Much easier to make a new game were no one can tell of it is broken until they are years in rather than trying to fix the old one

So, 8th/9th edition, Redux?

**Gen.Steiner**

It feels more like the sort of change between WFB 8th and Age of Sigmar 1st, but without blowing up the universe?

**stonehorse**

Gen.Steiner wrote:
It feels more like the sort of change between WFB 8th and Age of Sigmar 1st, but without blowing up the universe?

I think 8th was used as a way to gently indicate that the setting is going to have some changes, think of 8th and 9th as the stage being set up. Gradual changes are more likely to happen to 40k, as it is their main cash cow, and a sudden change could jeopardise their income.

3rd to 7th edition were pretty much the same setting wise, so 8th was used as a way to herald that the setting is less stagnant, also with all the old guard more or less gone from GW, the 40k we get will be crafted by people who were not instrumental in crafting it.... hence the changes.

**lord_blackfang**

Yes, same as AoS (and all other mainstream IPs), the setting is shifting from a hopeless last stand to a world of high adventure.

**Shakalooloo**

Tsagualsa wrote:
Next Tarot Card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obv5lnps3tw

'The Star' - Conjunctus Malascendum - 'As wars rage beneath the Gaze of a newborn star'

The Star Child returns! Illuminati kill teams inbound!

**Tsagualsa**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
Next Tarot Card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obv5lnps3tw

'The Star' - Conjunctus Malascendum - 'As wars rage beneath the Gaze of a newborn star'

The Star Child returns! Illuminati kill teams inbound!

Would be a banger start for 10th edition

**kodos**

Gen.Steiner wrote:
It feels more like the sort of change between WFB 8th and Age of Sigmar 1st, but without blowing up the universe?

which is an 8th edition like redux

**Leggy**

Tsagualsa wrote:
Next Tarot Card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obv5lnps3tw

'The Star' - Conjunctus Malascendum - 'As wars rage beneath the Gaze of a newborn star'

That's the Eye of Horus.

Conjunctus Malascendum roughly translates to Connected bad ascension.

Could be Vash becoming a god, or, at least, the start of the ceremony. Presumably someone interrupts.

**Tsagualsa**

Leggy wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
Next Tarot Card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obv5lnps3tw

'The Star' - Conjunctus Malascendum - 'As wars rage beneath the Gaze of a newborn star'

That's the Eye of Horus.

Conjunctus Malascendum roughly translates to Connected bad ascension.

Could be Vash becoming a god, or, at least, the start of the ceremony. Presumably someone interrupts.

I'd translate 'Conjunctus Malascendum' a bit more freely to 'The stars are right for the Ascension of Evil'

**Mentlegen324**

Leggy wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
Next Tarot Card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obv5lnps3tw

'The Star' - Conjunctus Malascendum - 'As wars rage beneath the Gaze of a newborn star'

That's the Eye of Horus.

Conjunctus Malascendum roughly translates to Connected bad ascension.

Could be Vash becoming a god, or, at least, the start of the ceremony. Presumably someone interrupts.

The prophecy of the Key has a line about dying Stars combing together into a bright light, which the key then unlocks. So I'd assume based on that it is something to do with Vashtors plan and all the stuff he's gathering.

**Tsagualsa**

Mentlegen324 wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
Next Tarot Card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obv5lnps3tw

'The Star' - Conjunctus Malascendum - 'As wars rage beneath the Gaze of a newborn star'

That's the Eye of Horus.

Conjunctus Malascendum roughly translates to Connected bad ascension.

Could be Vash becoming a god, or, at least, the start of the ceremony. Presumably someone interrupts.

The prophecy of the Key has a line about dying Stars combing together into a bright light, which the key then unlocks. So I'd assume based on that it is something to do with Vashtors plan and all the stuff he's gathering.

In my dreams the sky is burning. The stars blaze bright enough to drown out the darkness around. My heart leaps to see their lights, and I weep to feel such hope.

Then the stars start to die.

Faltering.

Guttering.

One by one they burn away and crumbe to ash that falls thick as snow. It lands upon my upturned face. It mingles with my tears. My hope has turned to horror, and as I drag my fingers down my cheeks, they trail smears of darkness that scald my skin.

I sink to my knees amidst the ashes. I know that this is the end.

Of me.

Of everything.

Yet in that moment I am seized by sudden knoweldge. Revelation. I can stop this! I tear my gaze from the dying heavens and I dig, terrified that I am already too late. Something lies under the ashes. Something has been hidden deep, something with the power to stop the stars from burning out.

My clawing fingers uncover a pattern in the ashes. I see the suggestion of furnaces and screaming mouths, of chains, of hammers. At their heart stands a figure with eyes of burning amber. It turns.

Terror grips me and I dig.

There's another pattern sitting below the first. A fortress, vast and mighty, but gouged by the beasts raging around its walls. Again the cinders dance before my eyes, racing across the ashen bastion like cracks. Just before the image shatters those glowing lines of embers form the shape of a crimson giant.

Above the stars die, and die, and die.

I dig.

I see an ashen forest grow, and wither, and grow again.

I see an ancient knight kneel upon his field of victory and weep amber tears.

I see a circle, within a circle, within an circle, inward and inward until at their heart... nothing.

The light grows faint and still I dig. I cannot be too late.

And then at last I have it. The key is an ugly thing of brass and bone and rock. Its rusted surface is hot, burns my bleeding fingers. I cannot care. I must end this.

But a key must have a lock.

Even as the dream begins to fade I feel my gaze dragged back to the hollow skies above. I don't want to look, but I must.

So few stars remain, and as they swirl together they become a single searing point so bright it hurts my eyes. I know that I have found the keyhole. Yet even as my shaking hand raises the key on high I am gripped by a different fear.

What has been imprisoned?

What will I unleash?

My doubts redouble and I feel suddenly as though I am being used. But now the dream has me and I cannot resist.

The key slides into a lock that blazes with the light of dying stars.

It turns, and flames engulf me.

I wake screaming, nails torn rom swollen fingers, bloody tears streaking my face. Sometimes, if I am lucky, it is days before I dream again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/105ubsg/the_prophecy_of_the_key_arks_of_omen_abaddon/
But I always dream again.

Some interpretations suggest themself, but then again it's a prophecy, there could be all sorts of hidden meanings or deliberate red herrings.

**Breotan**

It's the arrival of last Slaan.

**Vermis**

Leggy wrote:
That's the Eye of Horus.

Conjunctus Malascendum roughly translates to Connected bad ascension.

I would've thought it had something to do with Mortarion. Conjunctivitis malascendum sounds like a real humdinger of a case of pinkeye.

**Segersgia**

I think whatever the star is, is not something we know of yet. It sounds like the consequence from the events of an earlier book.

**deleted20250424**

It's clearly The Space Pope or "Crocodylus Pontifexicum" in GW's Cockney Pig Latin.

**Tsagualsa**

Segersgia wrote:
I think whatever the star is, is not something we know of yet. It sounds like the consequence from the events of an earlier book.

Perhaps it's the key to the Gates of Varl, and using it is an exceptionally bad idea? Would match the whole 'Stars being extinguished' theme of that prophecy.

**Leo_the_Rat**

Maybe it's bad Latin for "Eye of Terror". All of the sudden it's going to expand again and destroy everything it touches.

**xttz**

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Maybe it's bad Latin for "Eye of Terror". All of the sudden it's going to expand again and destroy everything it touches.

There was an old rumour that this series would end with the Imperium Nihilus further split off or isolated from the greater Imperium, so something like this fits. It also sets up Baal to be attacked by Tyranids without further reinforcements this time.

**drbored**

The star has 13 rays but 8 points.

I'm more curious about all the plants around the card of the star, which points to the weird plantlife that Dante found on one of the Arks of Omen.

Still, pretty vague.

**Platuan4th**

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Maybe it's bad Latin for "Eye of Terror".

That would be Occulus Terribus, which is its name in High Gothic

**Dudeface**

Well, like it or not, another feather in the cap of Valraks source on the reveals today for the boarding patrols and reveal timings.