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Tsagualsa wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
He doesn't know if they're separate kits or not as detailed at the top. Same way you might not have known if scarabs came with warriors or not etc.

The old scheme of packing a couple of Rippers into every other 'nid sprue or putting Scarabs on the Necron's was quite a good idea, they could do it with spore mines as well.

Right, they have the spore mines built into the kits that use them already (plastic for harpy and sporocyst, resin for biovore). I assume when they redo the biovore, they include a few more spore mines in that kit. Unlike rippers and scarabs, independent spore mine units make a little less sense, so I think if you just kept them to accessories to those 3 kits, you'd be good.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
He doesn't know if they're separate kits or not as detailed at the top. Same way you might not have known if scarabs came with warriors or not etc.

The old scheme of packing a couple of Rippers into every other 'nid sprue or putting Scarabs on the Necron's was quite a good idea, they could do it with spore mines as well.

Right, they have the spore mines built into the kits that use them already (plastic for harpy and sporocyst, resin for biovore). I assume when they redo the biovore, they include a few more spore mines in that kit. Unlike rippers and scarabs, independent spore mine units make a little less sense, so I think if you just kept them to accessories to those 3 kits, you'd be good.

Independent spore mine units were a thing in about half the 'nid codexes of the past, but yeah, it makes the most sense to put them only on the sprues of things that use them.

The question is if they are new spore mines or simply the plastic version in their own kit.

New Warriors? The current kit is great though...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
New Warriors? The current kit is great though...

It'd be shrikes, not warriors.

Ah, good point.

The new chunkier mines could be a new plastic version of the Meiotic Mines that Forge World used to make. It'd fit GW's approach of bringing past ideas back and fit as the sort of thing that would make a fairly simple easy to make release. If I remember correctly they were a little smaller than the Mucoloid Mines and much bigger than Spore Mines so it fills a possible gap in the range.

EonChao wrote:
The new chunkier mines could be a new plastic version of the Meiotic Mines that Forge World used to make. It'd fit GW's approach of bringing past ideas back and fit as the sort of thing that would make a fairly simple easy to make release. If I remember correctly they were a little smaller than the Mucoloid Mines and much bigger than Spore Mines so it fills a possible gap in the range.

I thought of the Meiotic spores as well. Iirc in their original incarnation they could fly around as anti-air deterrent with the option to sink down and work like larger versions of the normal mines. The deterrent thing could be useful nowadays, there are a lot more flyers than back in the day, and dedicated AA is something the Tyranids don't really have at the moment.

Meiotic spores also used to work as cluster bombs. When they blew up, it would spawn a bunch of smaller spore mines after the explosion. Not quite sure how well that mechanic would work in the current system, but it gave them a gimmick which was a bit more interesting than just 'bigger spore mine'.

That's literally a list of remaining failcast models, the kit that everyone has wanted redone for 20 years and a misspelled Epic unit from the early 90s. Sounds like something made up by someone with a passing familiarity with the army.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
That's literally a list of remaining failcast models, the kit that everyone has wanted redone for 20 years and a misspelled Epic unit from the early 90s. Sounds like something made up by someone with a passing familiarity with the army.

Hard to disagree with that statement really, the Screamer-Killer is a pretty safe bet considering GW's retro trip of the last couple of years, and everything else is either pretty obvious guesses due to e.g. Finecast or so vague that it barely counts as rumour.

Only thing I find interesting about the Screamer Killer is it calls it out by name, and it's already a build option in the Carnifex box. To me we'd either get the whole box redone, or not at all.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Only thing I find interesting about the Screamer Killer is it calls it out by name, and it's already a build option in the Carnifex box. To me we'd either get the whole box redone, or not at all.

Devil's advocate moment...

The Screamer-Killer might be an "easy build", intended for the starter box, while an updated Carnifex comes later.

I could see GW doing that, they are soft rebuilding the idea of character models in Tyranids and the Screamer Killer is a great throwback to the classic days. Heck it might mean that Old One Eye gets his own model again too

That's a fair shout. And the kit is quite 'open' in terms of sprue space. That said, GW has a tendency to introduce new rather than replace functioning kits. Though we did recently get new Cadians, so who knows.

A new Carnifex kit... yeah... that sounds like a great idea.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A new Carnifex kit... yeah... that sounds like a great idea.

The monkey's paw curls another finger.

But yeah, seems like a decent list. Lotta that is stuff we'd expect to get updated. New gaunts sounds like it could be fun.

I wonder if I'll be able to still make the 'oops all spore mines' type lists with the new kits...

 Overread wrote:
I could see GW doing that, they are soft rebuilding the idea of character models in Tyranids and the Screamer Killer is a great throwback to the classic days. Heck it might mean that Old One Eye gets his own model again too

With that in mind I find it curious that no rumormonger tries to put forward the idea that the Red Terror will make a comeback (I haven't seen anything to that effect anyway), whether that's as its own kit or an upgrade sprue for Trygons in the same way Knights keep getting extra sprues (or AoS's giant giants).

You'd think that the ones pushing bogus rumors would be all over it considered the last model was the Parasite.

 Geifer wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I could see GW doing that, they are soft rebuilding the idea of character models in Tyranids and the Screamer Killer is a great throwback to the classic days. Heck it might mean that Old One Eye gets his own model again too

With that in mind I find it curious that no rumormonger tries to put forward the idea that the Red Terror will make a comeback (I haven't seen anything to that effect anyway), whether that's as its own kit or an upgrade sprue for Trygons in the same way Knights keep getting extra sprues (or AoS's giant giants).

You'd think that the ones pushing bogus rumors would be all over it considered the last model was the Parasite.

I think the Red Terror is to old to appear on the radar of people making stuff up much, just like the Death Leaper

I think a lot of people assume that Death Leaper or a generic a la neurothrope/Doom of Malantai will be included in a lictor kit.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I think a lot of people assume that Death Leaper or a generic a la neurothrope/Doom of Malantai will be included in a lictor kit.

A reasonable assumption, they'd be stupid not to.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I think a lot of people assume that Death Leaper or a generic a la neurothrope/Doom of Malantai will be included in a lictor kit.

A reasonable assumption, they'd be stupid not to.

Well, this is GW we're talking about - and, to paraphrase HBMC, they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity...

 Dysartes wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I think a lot of people assume that Death Leaper or a generic a la neurothrope/Doom of Malantai will be included in a lictor kit.

A reasonable assumption, they'd be stupid not to.

Well, this is GW we're talking about - and, to paraphrase HBMC, they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity...

Well, i'm not from the faction that gets angry at the sun for rising in the morning, and for setting in the evening, so i'll wait till they've actually missed it, but yeah, of course it's not a given that they don't fumble this

Are we pre-emptively getting mad about the likelihood that a small portion of the many new models which launch a new edition will be simpler pushfit kits for use in starter boxes & magazines?

Why would GW want to cater to new hobbyists like that? That's totally unacceptable!

H.B.M.C. wrote:A new Carnifex kit... yeah... that sounds like a great idea.

Have you tried to build one recently? The carapace does not line up at all..although yes id rather not get the Ork Boys treatment.

Overread wrote:I could see GW doing that, they are soft rebuilding the idea of character models in Tyranids and the Screamer Killer is a great throwback to the classic days. Heck it might mean that Old One Eye gets his own model again too

I think Nids will get some sort of clam pack/character release,GW have gotten very good at their individual model releases for factions these days. Necrons seemed to get a fair few.
I'm betting the walking brain bug is a psychic weapon battery. Hoping it is shrikes not just a winged warrior character [ideally both].

Mostly I'm interested to see how they develop the Nids style- hopefully a good bit of weirdness back in and the rumours of a brain bug and the Norn Emmissary sound promising.

@silverstu. Not looking forward to 1 venom, 1 talon, 1 claw, 1, etc. Warriors with wings?

You filthy powergamer!

/sarcasm.

 xttz wrote:
Are we pre-emptively getting mad about the likelihood that a small portion of the many new models which launch a new edition will be simpler pushfit kits for use in starter boxes & magazines?

That's not at all what's being said, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Look at the current Carnifex. It can take two sets of double Devourers, even though the kit only comes with one. I'd bet all the money I have on me right now that the only reason we can still take quad-Devouers is because the Carnifex kit comes as a box of two, technically giving you two sets of Devourer arms.

Now, say they replace the Carnifex - with a simple EZ build kit or just a new kit - do you think it is likely that this kit would have more options, or fewer options than we currently have?

If Tyranids are getting new units, then that's cool. As always though, I don't much care about what we're getting. I care about what we're losing. I mean, look what happened with Chaos in their last Codex?

 silverstu wrote:
Have you tried to build one recently? The carapace does not line up at all..although yes id rather not get the Ork Boys treatment.

I literally have over a dozen of them. Never had a problem building one.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Well, i'm not from the faction that gets angry at the sun for rising in the morning, and for setting in the evening...

Neither am I...

Regarding the leaked rule document:

The new advantage/disadvantage system is a breath of fresh air. Maybe this is why it´s probably fake.

Not Online!!! wrote:
@silverstu. Not looking forward to 1 venom, 1 talon, 1 claw, 1, etc. Warriors with wings?

You filthy powergamer!

/sarcasm.

I mean there's people in the forum that defend the Plague Marine datasheet format so

 Strg Alt wrote:
Regarding the leaked rule document:

The new advantage/disadvantage system is a breath of fresh air. Maybe this is why it´s probably fake.

I thought so to and sounds like a lovely bit of design. Not sure how much it feels like 40k though.