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I saw the teaser video and my eyes rolled up into my head.

Not because it's 'more space marines' or anything like that, but because I know that for the next month people will argue about every little aspect of the teaser while pretending their opinion is fact.

It's kill team! but it has the 40k logo? It's space hulk! but it has a warrior head? It's the 10th edition box! but it's too early to reveal that?

I don't know or care what it is, I just want it to be revealed so we can move on to more interesting stuff, like Seraphon.

Dual kit Kroxigor/Tyranid Warrior Primes?

Siegfriedfr wrote:

Actually when you look at the latest combat patrol for Tyranids, it looks almost like they were trying to clear up stock for gaunts warriors and tyrants in preparation for a revamp..

Of course the sprues for combat patrol were cast rather than take from existing stock so that theory fails ;-)


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xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

They were literally in the previous edition of Kill Team.

which is nothing like the current edition, where they are not allowed, and the closest units currently in it (space marine heavy intercessor kill teams) struggle due too-low model counts. Custodes are often only effective in Kill Team when played with Sisters of Silence giving them numbers to operate around.

Well if heavy intercessors struggle due to low numbers then terminators would logically struggle so hardly too powerful then?

What's left for likely boarding patrols?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
GW has shown they can modernize a range without invalidating it. They did a good job with the Eldar, and I hope they do the same with the nids.

Not reinventing the wheel, but cleaning up some old stuff, cutting modern and more efficient sprues, and giving people new toys to field along side their existing ones.

They've also shown they can strip away the options and turn the rest into a quagmire of genericised weaponry and Byzantine limitations and combinations.

I was thinking more models then rules.

You are correct.

Tyranids have escaped the worst of NMNR due to their excellent old flexible kits. If those are replaced with more modern ones, will the datasheets be replaced to look like the plauge marine one or other hot messes? We can hope they will not.

Greenfield wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

The Rumors about Tyranids and Terminators for the 10th launch box are materialized almost officially in that video, and i believe the Tyranid Warrior is indicating of a revamp for that unit.

Actually when you look at the latest combat patrol for Tyranids, it looks almost like they were trying to clear up stock for gaunts warriors and tyrants in preparation for a revamp.

This has been repeated endlessly but there's no such thing as clearing up stock. GW manufactures new sprues for each new boxed set it makes. There isn't some huge pile of old sprues lying around waiting to get packed into boxes and they don't break down old stock to repack into combat patrols or army sets or anything else.

While true, it's also not the whole truth.
It costs pennies to produce new plastic figures from an existing mould. The moulds however, are very expensive. I've seen estimates that put the GW ones at £30k plus. They're very high quality, and you can cast 100,000+ sprues from those before they need replacing.

When you're working out your costs, you'll divide the cost of making the mould between however many sprues it produces. If the mould cost £30k and you only ever make 10k sprues, that's a cost of £3 per sprue. If you make 30k sprues that's a cost of £1 per sprue. So your profit on every one you sell is £2 higher.

Ideally, you want to run a mould until it reaches the end of its life, maximising your profits from it. If you retire figures entirely before the moulds are spent, you're sort of leaving money on the table.

So no, GW don't have loads of plastic sprues left over that they're taking out of boxes or storage and sticking in bundles or partwork magazines. But what they do have sitting in the factory are plenty of moulds with a good amount of life still left in them. So if they intend on redesigning a unit, it absolutely does make financial sense to cast a load of the old ones and sell them off cheap *if* they have moulds for those models with a lot of life left in them still.

That could easily just be an entirely false economy when squeezing the final £8k out of a mould is weighed up against releasing a more profitable replacement product.

Oh yeah, it's not always going to be the best thing to do. And even if it's not GW won't always make the best decision either.

But there is a reason to do it, and the whole "don't be silly, they don't have loads of sprues sitting around in a warehouse" argument seems to come up a lot and constantly miss that.

JWBS wrote:
That could easily just be an entirely false economy when squeezing the final £8k out of a mould is weighed up against releasing a more profitable replacement product.

We do not know a lot of GW's internal accounting or economic model, but usually the bottleneck is machine time, because the machines themselves are orders of magnitude more expensive than any mould and the moulds itself are much more expensive than mould storage, which all supports your general assumptions more than it does the 'mouldmaxxing' point of view. However, there is not only the financial opportunity cost of running less-than-maximally-profitable moulds, but also the vagaries of not offering your full range of products; contrary to popular belief, you can't just run Tac Squads all day So their overall time allocation scheme is probably somewhat more complex, and unfortunately mostly opaque to us.

The most expensive part of manufacture is probably switching molds in the machine, as that's a couple of hours when the machine isn't making money.

Don't know if it has any significance, but the short video of this transmission is tagged 'League of Legends' on YouTube; is this something that gets assigned by Youtube automatically?

I just hope that they don’t make Nids into Blokes in Funny Suits. It long been a concern of mine that someone at GW will want to write dialogue for Nids.

deano2099 wrote:
Oh yeah, it's not always going to be the best thing to do. And even if it's not GW won't always make the best decision either.

But there is a reason to do it, and the whole "don't be silly, they don't have loads of sprues sitting around in a warehouse" argument seems to come up a lot and constantly miss that.

The argument isn't they don't use old sprues because duh they do. But the argument we keep shooting down is they use discount boxes TO CLEAR WAREHOUSE!

You are talking about entirely different thing than clearing out warehouse which is what they are claiming GW does. "Oh these don't sell so let's put it in discount box to clear warehouse!"

And that's myth. This doesn't clear warehouse at all. At worst ir actually INCREASES the warehouse stock if boxes don't sell.

tneva82 wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
Oh yeah, it's not always going to be the best thing to do. And even if it's not GW won't always make the best decision either.

But there is a reason to do it, and the whole "don't be silly, they don't have loads of sprues sitting around in a warehouse" argument seems to come up a lot and constantly miss that.

The argument isn't they don't use old sprues because duh they do. But the argument we keep shooting down is they use discount boxes TO CLEAR WAREHOUSE!

You are talking about entirely different thing than clearing out warehouse which is what they are claiming GW does. "Oh these don't sell so let's put it in discount box to clear warehouse!"

And that's myth. This doesn't clear warehouse at all. At worst ir actually INCREASES the warehouse stock if boxes don't sell.

Ooh, hi shouty-mc-shouterson, careful, you'll damage your voice.

If you actually look past just trying to score points on the internet, and engage with what people are saying, you may find you don't need to shout as much.

You can learn something by reading the posts here but I'm not going to spell it out for you.

I for one welcome our new Terminator overlords. Unless they are not in fact new or GW botches their anatomy again. But if no such nonsense gets in the way, hurray for new Terminators!

 Souleater wrote:
I just hope that they don’t make Nids into Blokes in Funny Suits. It long been a concern of mine that someone at GW will want to write dialogue for Nids.

You mean getting the Necron treatment for Tyranids? Maybe that's what the Nom Emissary is for, GW getting inspired by old Zoat fluff and giving a voice to a hive fleet so they can talk to the protagonists before the superhero fisticuffs start. Would be in keeping with the style of stories GW writes these days and one more of the many examples of GW drawing inspiration from early 40k.

So, umm, it's kind of bogus to say but it's actually more probable than any of us would like?

 Geifer wrote:
I for one welcome our new Terminator overlords. Unless they are not in fact new or GW botches their anatomy again. But if no such nonsense gets in the way, hurray for new Terminators!

 Souleater wrote:
I just hope that they don’t make Nids into Blokes in Funny Suits. It long been a concern of mine that someone at GW will want to write dialogue for Nids.

You mean getting the Necron treatment for Tyranids? Maybe that's what the Nom Emissary is for, GW getting inspired by old Zoat fluff and giving a voice to a hive fleet so they can talk to the protagonists before the superhero fisticuffs start. Would be in keeping with the style of stories GW writes these days and one more of the many examples of GW drawing inspiration from early 40k.

So, umm, it's kind of bogus to say but it's actually more probable than any of us would like?

Don't rule out that it's just some new collaboration:



Usually these are not really hyped on the community page, but there have been exceptions, and there is significant overlap between writers for Riot Games and Warhammer, which could facilitate a collab.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Don't rule out that it's just some new collaboration:

Spoiler:

Usually these are not really hyped on the community page, but there have been exceptions, and there is significant overlap between writers for Riot Games and Warhammer, which could facilitate a collab.

Sure, why not?

I could also see something like that coming at this time because GW is also going to do new Terminators (as rumored) and tease them on time so whatever League of Legends is gets to do its new content with licensed Terminators and Tyranids without spoiling GW's surprise.

I'd prefer new Terminators and hope this is it, but eh, I've spent a long time not buying more Terminators from GW. If they don't want to make new models, I can just keep doing that.

40k: the MobA would be a curveball

Dudeface wrote:
40k: the MobA would be a curveball

The MOBA layout would fit Space Hulk / Boarding Actions / AoO enviroments pretty well, you have the right mix of Heros and mooks from the get-go with Tyranid swarms and 'Individuals', it could be made to work easily. Afaik Graham McNeill is currently lead story writer for the LoL/Arcane universe...

Those cards are automatically added. I've seen plenty of warhammer videos be labled Dawn of War or Mechanicus because of similar aesthetics.

 Segersgia wrote:
Those cards are automatically added. I've seen plenty of warhammer videos be labled Dawn of War or Mechanicus because of similar aesthetics.

Very well, thanks for the input! I tried googling it, but there are at least 3 different concepts that have been called 'Tags' at different points in time and it's very confusing to try to understand Youtube lingo with all that SEO bs going on an people trying to sell you their marketing stuff

So it's probably just the output of an algorithm.

It would be interesting to see GW's internal accounting. Mainly to see whether there's a clear up stream/down stream split.

Mould optimisation makes sense - but it seems to me given the potential revenue, a sales strategy is going to take priority. (Okay flashbacks to the infamous 2014 declaration of "we don't ask what the market wants" - but I think they have inched forward a bit.)

I think GW do a big print-run on a new release - maybe 100k sprues that get scattered across the world. If they all get sold that will pay for the sprues, the machines, the plastic etc - but moreover pay for the designers, the marketing etc. If the demand is there for a second print, the marginal cost is so much lower, and GW probably don't overly care about whether they are making £1~ more a sprue. (Getting time on the machines then becomes the challenge - as they are earmarked for the next release, and the one after that etc.)

Basically I'd imagine its more likely someone has gone "Tyranid Warriors are selling well now, lets sell more of them in this new box" rather than "this Tyranid Warrior mould could probably be spun up another 10k~ times, lets get our moneys worth".

Tyel wrote:
It would be interesting to see GW's internal accounting. Mainly to see whether there's a clear up stream/down stream split.

Mould optimisation makes sense - but it seems to me given the potential revenue, a sales strategy is going to take priority. (Okay flashbacks to the infamous 2014 declaration of "we don't ask what the market wants" - but I think they have inched forward a bit.)

I think GW do a big print-run on a new release - maybe 100k sprues that get scattered across the world. If they all get sold that will pay for the sprues, the machines, the plastic etc - but moreover pay for the designers, the marketing etc. If the demand is there for a second print, the marginal cost is so much lower, and GW probably don't overly care about whether they are making £1~ more a sprue. (Getting time on the machines then becomes the challenge - as they are earmarked for the next release, and the one after that etc.)

Basically I'd imagine its more likely someone has gone "Tyranid Warriors are selling well now, lets sell more of them in this new box" rather than "this Tyranid Warrior mould could probably be spun up another 10k~ times, lets get our moneys worth".

Depending on whichever specific cult of accounting and management they're following, there may be things like individual perfomance indicators for sub-markets, product lines etc. involved, as well as stuff like revenue targets for specific product lines and SKUs and so on. Some companies assign 'product owners' for different lines of product, and some go as far as assigning machine time or other ressources by internal bidding/auctions/markets in which the various profit centers compete. Management can get quite crazy if you do all the fads simultaneously

drbored wrote:
I saw the teaser video and my eyes rolled up into my head.

Not because it's 'more space marines' or anything like that, but because I know that for the next month people will argue about every little aspect of the teaser while pretending their opinion is fact.

It's kill team! but it has the 40k logo? It's space hulk! but it has a warrior head? It's the 10th edition box! but it's too early to reveal that?

I don't know or care what it is, I just want it to be revealed so we can move on to more interesting stuff, like Seraphon.

AdeptiCon is just over a week away. Probably get a twitch stream next Wednesday. I expect the the last Kill Team expansion for this season to be previewed.
Personally I think this is for a spinoff game. We never got expansions for Rise of the Orks with the season two terminators. If not those there was a rumor about Indomitus pattern armor in kits like the mark VI with separate weapon sprues.

Smaug wrote:

drbored wrote:
I saw the teaser video and my eyes rolled up into my head.

Not because it's 'more space marines' or anything like that, but because I know that for the next month people will argue about every little aspect of the teaser while pretending their opinion is fact.

It's kill team! but it has the 40k logo? It's space hulk! but it has a warrior head? It's the 10th edition box! but it's too early to reveal that?

I don't know or care what it is, I just want it to be revealed so we can move on to more interesting stuff, like Seraphon.

AdeptiCon is just over a week away. Probably get a twitch stream next Wednesday. I expect the the last Kill Team expansion for this season to be previewed.
Personally I think this is for a spinoff game. We never got expansions for Rise of the Orks with the season two terminators. If not those there was a rumor about Indomitus pattern armor in kits like the mark VI with separate weapon sprues.

I mean GW are not subtle about the 3 year release cycle with new editions dropping in summer after a roughly 3 month hype period. It would be weirder if this isn't 10th ed.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Don't know if it has any significance, but the short video of this transmission is tagged 'League of Legends' on YouTube; is this something that gets assigned by Youtube automatically?

Would have been better if it had been Starcraft. Everyone knows nids ripped off the zerg.

 warboss wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Don't know if it has any significance, but the short video of this transmission is tagged 'League of Legends' on YouTube; is this something that gets assigned by Youtube automatically?

Would have been better if it had been Starcraft. Everyone knows nids ripped off the zerg.

Lel.

For the record, it has been stated in the other thread that these 'Cards' in Youtube lingo do actually get assigned by an algorithm, so there's probably no deeper meaning to it.

Edit: in this thread actually. Adjust parameters: post- less coffee - more.

 Souleater wrote:
I just hope that they don’t make Nids into Blokes in Funny Suits. It long been a concern of mine that someone at GW will want to write dialogue for Nids.

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

 Platuan4th wrote:

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

Eurgh, no. It's like teasing the cheerios on your spoon before you put them in your mouth.

 Platuan4th wrote:

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

No.

The Hive Mind has had the occasional POV and the occasional "protagonist suffers minor existential crisis when the Hive Mind focuses on them".

But it has never actually communicated and much less spoken.