10th Edition Rumour Roundup - in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only power levels

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**Smaug**

Dudeface wrote:
Smaug wrote:
drbored wrote:
I saw the teaser video and my eyes rolled up into my head.

Not because it's 'more space marines' or anything like that, but because I know that for the next month people will argue about every little aspect of the teaser while pretending their opinion is fact.

It's kill team! but it has the 40k logo? It's space hulk! but it has a warrior head? It's the 10th edition box! but it's too early to reveal that?

I don't know or care what it is, I just want it to be revealed so we can move on to more interesting stuff, like Seraphon.

AdeptiCon is just over a week away. Probably get a twitch stream next Wednesday. I expect the the last Kill Team expansion for this season to be previewed.
Personally I think this is for a spinoff game. We never got expansions for Rise of the Orks with the season two terminators. If not those there was a rumor about Indomitus pattern armor in kits like the mark VI with separate weapon sprues.

I mean GW are not subtle about the 3 year release cycle with new editions dropping in summer after a roughly 3 month hype period. It would be weirder if this isn't 10th ed.

I’m not denying 10th is coming this summer and is going to be Tyranids vs Marines. I just think this is probably a standalone Space Hulk like game to keep using the boarding action terrain. I doubt an edition starter going forward with have firstborn in it.
The last announcement hint is probably going to be either 10th or the Lion.

**Platuan4th**

Tyran wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

No.

The Hive Mind has had the occasional POV and the occasional "protagonist suffers minor existential crisis when the Hive Mind focuses on them".

But it has never actually communicated and much less spoken.

Yes, it has. There's a short story where it has a brief psychic conversation with a Space Wolf Runepriest all the way back in 2nd ed. It's in one of the Black Library anthology books.

**Dysartes**

Vermis wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

Eurgh, no. It's like teasing the cheerios on your spoon before you put them in your mouth.

...you don't do that? Weirdo...

**Tsagualsa**

Added this to the OP:

Edit 03/13/2023

New Valrak video with a breakdown of the current state of the rumour season, as well as some new stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpihzucPRog

- claims he never said that the starter box will be Tyranids vs. Blood Angels
- says the whole BA rumour came from a reddit post and he only commented on it
- stuff from his sources said that it was Ultramarines vs Tyranids/Leviathan and the box is called Leviathan
- says there have been rumours for a Space Hulk box set, and we will probably get it, but 'this is not it' because Blood Angels are 'iconic' with Space Hulk
- speculates that the Tyranid in the trailer/poster is probably a new warrior model
- he has heard that Dark Angels are going to get a range refresh, separate video on that coming soon
- further speculates about the fluff text about the western fringe meaning it relates to the 10th edition box set
- says 'whispers' have told him about new Blood Angel and Space Wolf boxsets
- again says that sources he trusts say that Dante is done
- speculates that Dante may be released in a boarding patrol or sth. like that

Pretty much just a recap of stuff we know already

**xttz**

xttz wrote:
Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

Update to this, Korkin now believes the 50 page chat log is legit but "from a non-final version"

**Tsagualsa**

xttz wrote:
xttz wrote:
Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

Update to this, Korkin now believes the 50 page chat log is legit but "from a non-final version"

Thanks, goes straight to the OP.

**Ancient Otter**

Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

**JWBS**

Probably due to taking from the left to feed the right, or however that saying goes. I've been on the lookout for several kits since release with no luck, and I mean brand new stuff that they should be selling loads of right at this very minute (Sky hunters, Dorn tank, Kasrkin, Militarum CP, more besides).

**tauist**

So, it's "Assault on Black Reach" time again, but now just with UM Indomi termies and new nid models.

In terms of the released teaser pict, I hope that's not showing the actual model? The helmet looks a bit tall compared to the older sculpts, which are a bit more "compressed" looking. Not sure I like it tbh, but let's wait until we see the entire models.. I adore the way GW redesigned MKVI and the Land Raider Proteus (IMHO best iteration ever!), so I know they can do justice to classic designs.

I'm really keen on seeing what, if anything, is happening with the rules themselves. Roll on Adepticon! If the majority of Scaramucci rumours turn out to be correct, we're in for a real shake up

**tneva82**

Umm what common point this has with marines vs orks box set?

**JWBS**

Marines, box set.

**xttz**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/tune-in-for-next-weeks-seismic-warhammer-preview-at-adepticon/

To the surprise of no one, WarCom confirms both 40k and Kill Team content will be covered next week

**Smaug**

tauist wrote:
So, it's "Assault on Black Reach" time again, but now just with UM Indomi termies and new nid models.

In terms of the released teaser pict, I hope that's not showing the actual model? The helmet looks a bit tall compared to the older sculpts, which are a bit more "compressed" looking. Not sure I like it tbh, but let's wait until we see the entire models.. I adore the way GW redesigned MKVI and the Land Raider Proteus (IMHO best iteration ever!), so I know they can do justice to classic designs.

I'm really keen on seeing what, if anything, is happening with the rules themselves. Roll on Adepticon! If the majority of Scaramucci rumours turn out to be correct, we're in for a real shake up

Miss it by an edition. Should have been 4th Battle for Macragge

**warboss**

Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

**Nevelon**

warboss wrote:
Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

Better than a 2 year cycle <grumbles at 6th>

Earlier editions were more in the 4-6 year range IIRC. I would prefer something longer then 3 years, but it is a nice thing if they can keep a schedule, so we know what to expect.

**Voss**

xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/tune-in-for-next-weeks-seismic-warhammer-preview-at-adepticon/

To the surprise of no one, WarCom confirms both 40k and Kill Team content will be covered next week

I'm glad they're sticking to their incomprehensible broadcast schedule. I'd vaguely understand it if they were (for some reason) doing a live show at the event at 10pm, but a dark-of-the-morning broadcast from Nottingham is still just bizarre. It just doesn't make sense for most of their customer base, even the ones in North America.

**Tsagualsa**

Voss wrote:
xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/tune-in-for-next-weeks-seismic-warhammer-preview-at-adepticon/

To the surprise of no one, WarCom confirms both 40k and Kill Team content will be covered next week

I'm glad they're sticking to their incomprehensible broadcast schedule. I'd vaguely understand it if they were (for some reason) doing a live show at the event at 10pm, but a dark-of-the-morning broadcast from Nottingham is still just bizarre. It just doesn't make sense for most of their customer base, even the ones in North America.

I think the sole reason they're doing their casts the moment the doors open at Adepticon is to preempt potato-cam pictures and half-assed reporting by clueless people from spoiling their big reveals. It may also have something to do with NDAs and being technically 'open to the public' at that moment, bit i'm talking from my behind here.

**NAVARRO**

warboss wrote:
Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

Nopes. Specially when almost 2 years of that was during covid and people could not gather or play.

**kodos**

Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

we will see if this works out or if stuff that was supposed to be released before 10th shows up after, and/or of there is again a delay in the faction books after release

**endlesswaltz123**

Anyone want to try and find the community article where it said something along the lines of 8th edition being the 'last' edition of 40k, it will be an evolving rule set going forward?

If there are drastic rule changes this edition, then that original article needs to go up there with one of GW's greatest faux pas.

EDIT: Completely open to the above being some sort of Mandela effect and didn't actually happen...

**warboss**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Anyone want to try and find the community article where it said something along the lines of 8th edition being the 'last' edition of 40k, it will be an evolving rule set going forward?

If there are drastic rule changes this edition, then that original article needs to go up there with one of GW's greatest faux pas.

EDIT: Completely open to the above being some sort of Mandela effect and didn't actually happen...

Maybe it's on the same webpage where Microsoft touted Windows 10 as an evergreen product as well...

All joking aside, I'm not doubting you but it's hard to keep to ideals when greed gets in the way and I personally consider any edition lifecycle of less than 4-5 years to be just that personally.

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NAVARRO wrote:

Nopes. Specially when almost 2 years of that was during covid and people could not gather or play.

Yo, stocks gotta keep dividending and executive get bonusing pandemic or not, right? The churn must flow!

**Geifer**

warboss wrote:
Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

If combined with maniacal cackling, yes.

Watching GW's rules circus go round and round is free entertainment. Come on. Free stuff from GW. What's not to like?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Anyone want to try and find the community article where it said something along the lines of 8th edition being the 'last' edition of 40k, it will be an evolving rule set going forward?

If there are drastic rule changes this edition, then that original article needs to go up there with one of GW's greatest faux pas.

EDIT: Completely open to the above being some sort of Mandela effect and didn't actually happen...

I'm fairly sure such a search is a waste of time and the last edition/living rulebook commentary at the time did not come from GW but people reading something into Chapter Approved/balance updates that GW never intended.

**Voss**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Anyone want to try and find the community article where it said something along the lines of 8th edition being the 'last' edition of 40k, it will be an evolving rule set going forward?

If there are drastic rule changes this edition, then that original article needs to go up there with one of GW's greatest faux pas.

EDIT: Completely open to the above being some sort of Mandela effect and didn't actually happen...

It never actually happened. What actually happened is they called 7th edition 'the new edition' and didn't refer to it by number while ranting about FoRGing da NarRTifF!
And thus some few people assumed that a living rulebook would naturally happen and it would be the 'end of history' utopian nonsense.
Somehow the accelerated edition cycle we've seen consistently since then didn't phase them.

**Greenfield**

deano2099 wrote:
Oh yeah, it's not always going to be the best thing to do. And even if it's not GW won't always make the best decision either.

But there is a reason to do it, and the whole "don't be silly, they don't have loads of sprues sitting around in a warehouse" argument seems to come up a lot and constantly miss that.

No, I didn't miss that part; the claims are almost always that it's existing physical stock that's being used up – that's the misconception I (and I think others) were correcting. The other stuff is true but there's no real way of knowing if that's influenced choices about box contents or not, so it's not really relevant and not particularly useful in determining the likelihood a given kit is about to be replaced.

**alextroy**

Tsagualsa wrote:
Voss wrote:
xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/tune-in-for-next-weeks-seismic-warhammer-preview-at-adepticon/

To the surprise of no one, WarCom confirms both 40k and Kill Team content will be covered next week

I'm glad they're sticking to their incomprehensible broadcast schedule. I'd vaguely understand it if they were (for some reason) doing a live show at the event at 10pm, but a dark-of-the-morning broadcast from Nottingham is still just bizarre. It just doesn't make sense for most of their customer base, even the ones in North America.

I think the sole reason they're doing their casts the moment the doors open at Adepticon is to preempt potato-cam pictures and half-assed reporting by clueless people from spoiling their big reveals. It may also have something to do with NDAs and being technically 'open to the public' at that moment, bit i'm talking from my behind here.

Exactly. There is a 8 PM to 10 PM US Central time The Warhammer Preview at Adepticon on 10/22.

**tneva82**

Guess some people think gw should put reveals before seminar at adepticon

And people complain about american't being america centric...

**Souleater**

tneva82 wrote:
Guess some people think gw should put reveals before seminar at adepticon

And people complain about american't being america centric...

Look, since the collapse of the Empire and Brexit, GW is all we have left. ?

**drbored**

Having made youtube videos, I can confirm that when you make a video and tag it as 'gaming', the first recommendation is League of Legends for some reason.

So, the Occam's Razor here is that whoever uploaded the video forgot to click a warhammer related game.

**Matrindur**

Seems like GW mistakenly leaked the next teaser themselves :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/11qrttm/new_continuation_of_that_nid_video_dont_know_if/

**drbored**

Matrindur wrote:
Seems like GW mistakenly leaked the next teaser themselves :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/11qrttm/new_continuation_of_that_nid_video_dont_know_if/

woops.

Doesn't really show anything we didn't already know, but it is definitely an ultramarine.