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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Way I read it, auras will still exist, but won’t be as widespread.

We’re yet to see Captain level heroes. I see no reason they can’t join a squad and still offer a buff bubble to nearby units?

I guess auras will be relegated into the 'thing' of support/buff type characters like Chaplains or Techmarines, which is fine by me. It's also a cheap way to make special characters special.

I won't be surprised if one of the universal stratagems possibly ends up being a way to attach a Leader to another unit other than the one he started with.

We’ll need to wait and see.

It does however suggest a raft of Lieutenant equivalent units for other armies though.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Seems like the discussion last week if they will drop the Primaris keyword was wrong since he is still called Primaris Lieutenant here and can only join Primaris units

 ikeulhu wrote:
I won't be surprised if one of the universal stratagems possibly ends up being a way to attach a Leader to another unit other than the one he started with.

I hope not. I like the idea of committing to your composition at deployment and having to stick with it regardless of how the game goes. Strats that give you ways to work around bad things that happen in the game are annoying and always feel unearned to me. I'd be happy if all the "operate at full efficiency" strats for degrading models disappeared for that reason.

 Matrindur wrote:
Seems like the discussion last week if they will drop the Primaris keyword was wrong since he is still called Primaris Lieutenant here.

Yea, that was a bit silly. And it looks like he's attaching to only Primaris units. I wonder what characters will be allowed to attach to terminators.

The article pretty much states that the Lion and similarly priced characters will still have auras.

It is just the cheaper end of characters like Liutenants that lose auras and have to join units.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
It does make pricing units easier since where the buffs go won't be as nebulous.

Possibly, but it's another example of GW throwing something in the "too hard basket" rather than attempting to fix a problem.

Can we stop for a moment and appreciate how nonsensical the name Target Priority is for the ability it provides.

 Tyran wrote:
The article pretty much states that the Lion and similarly priced characters will still have auras.

It is just the cheaper end of characters like Liutenants that lose auras and have to join units.

Another thing I like is that Lion presumably can't be protected by vehicles, so you better have some damned infantry to help keep him on the table.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Auras will probably be reserved for Primarchs, Chapter Masters, Hive Tyrants etc. powerful and rare units.

Yeah it makes sense to put those abilities only on the more expensive models, rather than 'spammable' <100pt generic characters that can allow multiple auras to be stacked together in one place.

I hope all the minor characters that used to be part of units, like standard bearers and apothecaries, go back to the units where they belong.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Seems like the discussion last week if they will drop the Primaris keyword was wrong since he is still called Primaris Lieutenant here.

Yea, that was a bit silly. And it looks like he's attaching to only Primaris units. I wonder what characters will be allowed to attach to terminators.

Negatory, he's attaching to only Tacitus armored units.

No Phobos or Gravis.

Wayniac wrote:
Only potential issue with the unit rules now is that you have to pick beforehand (I think you always did this) but you can't leave (you did not have that) so that would mean when (not if) your unit with a character gets wiped except for that character, their buff is useless as they can't join a different unit.

This is my immediate concern as well. I guess all those characters who don't have access to TH/SS terminator bodyguards just get to be blown to bits in the first couple of turns now.

 Matrindur wrote:

Seems like the discussion last week if they will drop the Primaris keyword was wrong since he is still called Primaris Lieutenant here and can only join Primaris units

What's more it appears Mark x standard and Phobos Lieutenants are staying separate characters too (sigh).

I like this new way of lessening redundant auras!

Have the two REDACTED entries in the Primaris Lt "can join" list already been identified? Since the Lt can only join MKX Tacticus units, I'm guessing those two will be the new combiflamer guys in the cinematic trailer and those upcoming "missiles on missiles" clowns?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Character article today

So now, rather than handing out re-rolls to anyone in earshot, your heroes now join a single squad and act as one cohesive unit. It’s an elegant system that helps keep over-buffed super-units at bay.

Boo! Hiss!

It does seem to be better done than expected though:


We now know what "Lethal Hits" does:

His Tactical Precision ability grants his subordinates Lethal Hits, a core ability that makes Critical Hits – the new term for an unmodified 6 on a Hit roll – automatically wound their target.

Oh boy, I can't wait for it to be that only Terminator characters can join Terminator units!

 tauist wrote:
I like this new way of lessening redundant auras!

Have the two REDACTED entries in the Primaris Lt "can join" list already been identified? Since the Lt can only join MKX Tacticus units, I'm guessing those two will be the new combiflamer guys in the cinematic trailer and those upcoming "missiles on missiles" clowns?

I don't think they'd have redacted Desolation Squads given they're out and have 9th ed rules, but you're probably right on the flamers.

Might be jump pack Intercessors or the Primaris Veterans from the trailer. Then again I suspect Jump Lts will be yet another datasheet if Phobos are.

 tauist wrote:
I like this new way of lessening redundant auras!

Have the two REDACTED entries in the Primaris Lt "can join" list already been identified? Since the Lt can only join MKX Tacticus units, I'm guessing those two will be the new combiflamer guys in the cinematic trailer and those upcoming "missiles on missiles" clowns?

the "missiles on missiles" clowns are already out, and have been for a couple weeks now
I assume GW realised Lethal Hits + Barrage weapons would be a terrible experience to play into

 The Phazer wrote:

What's more it appears Mark x standard and Phobos Lieutenants are staying separate characters too (sigh).

As they should be.

People seem to forget that there's an entire company of saboteurs, assassins, and reconnaissance specialists in the form of the 10th Vanguard Company now.

Urgh, they're also setting themselves up for future pain - anytime they release a new unit, as well as the new unit datasheet they will also now have to update all the leaders in the faction to identify which leader models can join that particular unit - fun indeed :/

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Oh boy, I can't wait for it to be that only Terminator characters can join Terminator units!

Why is that bad?

 xttz wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Oh boy, I can't wait for it to be that only Terminator characters can join Terminator units!

Why is that bad?

I'd guess because it comes across as both arbitrary nonsense and pointlessly quashing options.

If a non-Terminator Captain tries to join a Terminator squad, will they beast him to death? Bully him until he runs away crying? Threaten to tell the Inquisitor that he was mean?

MaxT wrote:
Urgh, they're also setting themselves up for future pain - anytime they release a new unit, as well as the new unit datasheet they will also now have to update all the leaders in the faction to identify which leader models can join that particular unit - fun indeed :/

First World Space Marine problems

 vipoid wrote:

 xttz wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Oh boy, I can't wait for it to be that only Terminator characters can join Terminator units!

Why is that bad?

I'd guess because it comes across as both arbitrary nonsense and pointlessly quashing options.

If a non-Terminator Captain tries to join a Terminator squad, will they beast him to death? Bully him until he runs away crying? Threaten to tell the Inquisitor that he was mean?

If a none terminator captain joins a terminator squad, would it ruin the theorised role and purpose of the unit by forcing them to footslog across the board? I can see land raiders as the head scratcher there. Tbh I can see why it doesn't make perfect sense but I can see it as a reasonable balance/variable reduction choice.

 Tyran wrote:

MaxT wrote:
Urgh, they're also setting themselves up for future pain - anytime they release a new unit, as well as the new unit datasheet they will also now have to update all the leaders in the faction to identify which leader models can join that particular unit - fun indeed :/

First World Space Marine problems

It's an absolutely dumb way to handle this, when they have freaking keywords right there... there is absolutely no reason to enumerate the joinable units.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Oh boy, I can't wait for it to be that only Terminator characters can join Terminator units!

It's a valid complaint, but it would look weird to have skinny bois in with the beefy bois. Also, it allows for more distinct abilities for different units -- potentially, anyway.

On the plus side it could force GW to give CSM jump pack lords again.

Santtu wrote:
I hope all the minor characters that used to be part of units, like standard bearers and apothecaries, go back to the units where they belong.

I'm really hoping this is what they've done with exarchs. The current 9th ed rules are about as close to the classic 1/2 edition exarchs as we've had in a while.

It would really suck for them to backslide back to crappy sergeants.

I'm hoping they are characters that effectively have to join a squad and it can only be of their chosen aspect.

edit : nvm

 Hellebore wrote:

Santtu wrote:
I hope all the minor characters that used to be part of units, like standard bearers and apothecaries, go back to the units where they belong.

I'm really hoping this is what they've done with exarchs. The current 9th ed rules are about as close to the classic 1/2 edition exarchs as we've had in a while.

It would really suck for them to backslide back to crappy sergeants.

I'm hoping they are characters that effectively have to join a squad and it can only be of their chosen aspect.

I'm expecting that last line to be what the Phoenix Lords get.