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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Carnifexes are also very small monsters.

This made me feel incredibly old, somehow.

Same.

It’s not just scale creep, but scope creep. Back in the day a ‘fex or a dreadnought was a significant formidable foe. Now in a world of knights and other Lord of War stuff they are middling at best.

Bit sad, but the game moves on.

While true, even back then Carnifexes already kinda looked small when put next to a Leman Russ or a Land Raider.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I feel like it'd be more silly to try to figure out which weapons in every faction are specifically good against carnifexes and not dreadnoughts (or tyranid warriors, for that matter). If you want to bring back the distinction between monsters and vehicles then "monsters are lower toughness baseline but don't care if a weapon is designed to crack tanks" seems reasonable enough.

If that is the design though I might worry about monsters just not being very good.

I'd be surprised if the new beast-hunting Orks that came out last edition didn't have rules for hunting monsters.

 Tyran wrote:
While true, even back then Carnifexes already kinda looked small when put next to a Leman Russ or a Land Raider.

Yeah Screamer Killers and the crab-fexes were fairly small against a tank. The Fex didn't really feel big until the plastic generation of them (Which we still have today).

Of course now the fex is indeed the middle-weight generalist model whereas once it was the heavyweight.


It's a bit of shame in some ways, but also super cool because we've gained so many awesome specialist models. I almost feel like the fex as a concept is almost heading toward retirement.

The Screamer Killer already takes out the 4 scything talon version and it would not surprise me if we might see the Fex broken down further over time into named variations. It has the bonus that you can give them better focused stats - so a screamer killer built for close combat but low on ranged stats etc... It also means we can get more unique styles and poses; akin to how the plastic kit had multi-eyed head variations that you'd generally always want to put on your ranged ones etc...

I do think that there is a fair chance that we may see a new carnifex kit with the new codex.

GW updated a few things in Necrons that surprised me and didn't update others that also surprised me (eg why they didn't update the regular destroyers and destroyer lord).

So it can be really hard to predict what will and won't see new models or revised ones.

 Tyran wrote:
While true, even back then Carnifexes already kinda looked small when put next to a Leman Russ or a Land Raider.

For example this:

 Overread wrote:
GW updated a few things in Necrons that surprised me and didn't update others that also surprised me (eg why they didn't update the regular destroyers and destroyer lord).

So it can be really hard to predict what will and won't see new models or revised ones.

On that? Outside of named characters and the Destroyer Lord, I’m pretty sure Necrons ditched all their Finecast models for plastic redos?

If we can use that as a measuring stick (and only if) then Nids may well be in for a lot of love.

They did say this was the biggest range revamp they've ever done for Tyranids so I suspect there is still plenty more to come in terms of new stuff. Outside of indomitus (which already included new warriors, skorpekh lord and destroyers, royal warden, new overlord sculpt, canoptek reanimator and plasmancer) necrons got:

New monolith
New lokhust heavy destroyers
Void dragon
Doomstalkers
Ophydian destroyers
Hexmark destroyer
Silent king
Chronomancer
Psychomancer
Flayed ones
Crypto thralls

So I would think Tyranids will get plenty more beyond the Leviathan box. I think a plastic LoW seems a solid bet.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW updated a few things in Necrons that surprised me and didn't update others that also surprised me (eg why they didn't update the regular destroyers and destroyer lord).

So it can be really hard to predict what will and won't see new models or revised ones.

On that? Outside of named characters and the Destroyer Lord, I’m pretty sure Necrons ditched all their Finecast models for plastic redos?

If we can use that as a measuring stick (and only if) then Nids may well be in for a lot of love.

Thing is those last few finecast have been dead certain update models for the last 10 years of Tyranids

Here is a nice view of the new SC next to some SM

Time and again GW has pulled a newly invented unit out of its bum rather than updating models that need updating.

Most recently with Barbgaunts instead of Biovores

Yet we’ve seen no evidence Biovores aren’t being updated as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Carnifexes are also very small monsters.

This made me feel incredibly old, somehow.

Same dude.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Time and again GW has pulled a newly invented unit out of its bum rather than updating models that need updating.

Most recently with Barbgaunts instead of Biovores

Which is the exact opposite of their approach when it comes to Dark Eldar. A range in dire need of new units that only ever gets updates that are worse than the models they replaced.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Here is a nice view of the new SC next to some SM

Is it just me or are there some really gnarly gaps where the face connects to the rest of the body?

 vipoid wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Time and again GW has pulled a newly invented unit out of its bum rather than updating models that need updating.

Most recently with Barbgaunts instead of Biovores

Which is the exact opposite of their approach when it comes to Dark Eldar. A range in dire need of new units that only ever gets updates that are worse than the models they replaced.

The models for Dark Eldar have been lovely, but each release they take away more and more characters and units.

I can't help feel the Screamer needs armour plates on its arms. They just look too bare.

Hmmm. So, I'm guessing the new "starter" is going to be around $300 US, $500 AUD?

Surely, GW is going to be doing smaller starters that are actually affordable?

 Stormonu wrote:
Hmmm. So, I'm guessing the new "starter" is going to be around $300 US, $500 AUD?

Surely, GW is going to be doing smaller starters that are actually affordable?

$250 US is what I saw.

 Stormonu wrote:
Hmmm. So, I'm guessing the new "starter" is going to be around $300 US, $500 AUD?

Surely, GW is going to be doing smaller starters that are actually affordable?

$250 USD, probably $800 AUD.

I'd expect recruit, elite and commander starters a month or two later. Recruit will probably be 5 flamer marines and character vs 10 grunts and winged prime. Elite could add 5 terminators against the barbgaunts or toss in the screamer killer.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Hmmm. So, I'm guessing the new "starter" is going to be around $300 US, $500 AUD?

Surely, GW is going to be doing smaller starters that are actually affordable?

$250 USD, probably $800 AUD.

420 AUD - we know it from the legal footnotes of the prize draw.

As time has passed since the initial preview, I think I have grown to not like the Carnifex. The Scything Talons and head just look a bit off for my Tyranid taste.

Of thebig Leviathan box, only the Dreadnought and the Infernus Squad appeal to me.

 Stormonu wrote:
Hmmm. So, I'm guessing the new "starter" is going to be around $300 US, $500 AUD?

Surely, GW is going to be doing smaller starters that are actually affordable?

This isn"t starter but launch box like indomitus.

Cheaper 3 starters will follow later.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
While true, even back then Carnifexes already kinda looked small when put next to a Leman Russ or a Land Raider.

For example this:

Ah, that photo brings back so many fond memories. I remember looking at it and dreaming of having 3 Carnifexes.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Here is a nice view of the new SC next to some SM

I feel like the arms would look better painted like this

 vipoid wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Time and again GW has pulled a newly invented unit out of its bum rather than updating models that need updating.

Most recently with Barbgaunts instead of Biovores

Which is the exact opposite of their approach when it comes to Dark Eldar. A range in dire need of new units that only ever gets updates that are worse than the models they replaced.

Not sure I agree with you there about new models being worse. Sure, the Archon has a weird pose, but all the other kits that got updates are just amazing. Whether it be Wracks, Voidraven Bomber, Succubus, Incubi, and Drazhar.

However, Drukhari does suffer from being one of the books that had a ton of units(mostly characters) that just never had models and which they suffer from having lost now. They are also losing out on a few kits that have entered range rotation which is atrocious for such a small faction. However, the new models and replacement models have all been ace.

Also, in before raging at Lelith. The model is very nice. The problem is that the paint job on it doesn't really do much for it.

 stonehorse wrote:
As time has passed since the initial preview, I think I have grown to not like the Carnifex.

Same, I think it suffers a lot from a classic push-fit / one piece metal model pose where all of its limbs are in one plane and 6 is a lot of limbs to be in one plane.

ERJAK wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Here is a nice view of the new SC next to some SM

Is it just me or are there some really gnarly gaps where the face connects to the rest of the body?

Yes, they are there. Pushfits are like that unless you remove the pegs, and use the glue instead.

 Nevelon wrote:
It’s not just scale creep, but scope creep. Back in the day a ‘fex or a dreadnought was a significant formidable foe. Now in a world of knights and other Lord of War stuff they are middling at best.

They should still be tougher than a Rhino though...