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 xttz wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Seems to me they are detailing the distinct factions based not the Faction Keywords and their Faction Rules. BA, DA, SW, and DW are all Adeptus Astartes and presumedly have Oath of Moment. Therefore they aren't doing a separate faction focus to cover their unique detachment nor unique models.

This is a bit of a pity because I know everyone would love to see how a Space Wolves detachment would restrict them from the non-SW First Born models along with allowing them the unique Space Wolves units.

I'd assume that Space Wolves would just get a separate PDF file to Space Marines with a different list of datasheets available. Same for their physical datacard pack.

I found the source for the Facebook posts if anyone needs to see it:

Spoiler:

Thanks, and thanks for your continued support in this thread!

Try that with a Carnifex you bully!

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Try that with a Carnifex you bully!

To be fair, the main 10th video has the winged prime ripping a terminator in half.

I’s say turnabout is fair play, but the TDA marine really should pick on something his own size.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Try that with a Carnifex you bully!

To be fair, the main 10th video has the winged prime ripping a terminator in half.

I’s say turnabout is fair play, but the TDA marine really should pick on something his own size.

Pretty sure the gaunt started that fight, charging like an angry little chihuahua.

I blame the Hive Mind. It could have sent out a real contender, but chose the gaunt.

The Sunday preview article mentioned Ad Mech and Aeldari preview articles this week. Ad Mech we already knew about, and Aeldari are likely Tuesday if last week's Sunday preview set a pattern.

The Termie certainly vaporized that Gaunt, would have liked to see a Warrior in the matchup instead.

 xttz wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Seems to me they are detailing the distinct factions based not the Faction Keywords and their Faction Rules. BA, DA, SW, and DW are all Adeptus Astartes and presumedly have Oath of Moment. Therefore they aren't doing a separate faction focus to cover their unique detachment nor unique models.

This is a bit of a pity because I know everyone would love to see how a Space Wolves detachment would restrict them from the non-SW First Born models along with allowing them the unique Space Wolves units.

I'd assume that Space Wolves would just get a separate PDF file to Space Marines with a different list of datasheets available. Same for their physical datacard pack.

I found the source for the Facebook posts if anyone needs to see it:

Spoiler:

While they might not be doing one for each of the Chapters, doing one to at least clarify how they're going to work in relation to the core SM book would be useful - given we've seen Codex: Dark Angels on the road map, not Codex Supplement: Dark Angels, it'd be good to know if you'd just want the DA book, or both it and the SM one, for example.

Typical GW, not missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

They answered that at Warhammer Fest, Dysartes. They said that if you buy one of the Chapter card sets, you don't also need the Space Marine set. They're all self-contained.

The Terminator is all gangsta now but...

Screamer Killer: "Excuse me, I'm just finishing my lunch and I'll be with you shortly, if you'll just be patient..."

 Platuan4th wrote:
They answered that at Warhammer Fest, Dysartes. They said that if you buy one of the Chapter card sets, you don't also need the Space Marine set. They're all self-contained.

Their marketing strategy of only releasing enticing tid-bits that open up as many new questions as they're answering is working so far, but i think they need to do some more substantial Q&A soon-ish; i feel that people that don't follow all the developments closely will get lost or be confused otherwise. That being said, we should not underestimate that we're basically operating on a entirely different calendar than the average customer, and probably a lot of questions will be answered in WD and other marketing material that gets released in a timescale that's oriented towards the normal customers and not hyper-aware online people that basically live four weeks in the future compared to them.

Tsagualsa wrote:
That being said, we should not underestimate that we're basically operating on a entirely different calendar than the average customer, and probably a lot of questions will be answered in WD and other marketing material that gets released in a timescale that's oriented towards the normal customers and not hyper-aware online people that basically live four weeks in the future compared to them.

That's optimistic thinking.

I would expect the first mention of 10th in White Dwarf to be 'Coming next month!'

The leaked stratagems seem neat. Heroic intervention being for any unit is pretty rad, even if it loses out on charge benefits. Especially if you take something like a captain who can use it for free after it's already been used.

Hmm... and here I was thinking they were going to use the Dark Angel faction focus to give us an idea on army structure, and how something unique - like Deathwing - would differ from 'regular' Marines.

Oh well.

 Dysartes wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Seems to me they are detailing the distinct factions based not the Faction Keywords and their Faction Rules. BA, DA, SW, and DW are all Adeptus Astartes and presumedly have Oath of Moment. Therefore they aren't doing a separate faction focus to cover their unique detachment nor unique models.

This is a bit of a pity because I know everyone would love to see how a Space Wolves detachment would restrict them from the non-SW First Born models along with allowing them the unique Space Wolves units.

I'd assume that Space Wolves would just get a separate PDF file to Space Marines with a different list of datasheets available. Same for their physical datacard pack.

I found the source for the Facebook posts if anyone needs to see it:

Spoiler:

While they might not be doing one for each of the Chapters, doing one to at least clarify how they're going to work in relation to the core SM book would be useful - given we've seen Codex: Dark Angels on the road map, not Codex Supplement: Dark Angels, it'd be good to know if you'd just want the DA book, or both it and the SM one, for example.

Typical GW, not missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

We might see a Dark Angels one anyways since they didn't specifically say they wouldn't be getting an article, plus it would help hype the Lion for the new edition.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Seems to me they are detailing the distinct factions based not the Faction Keywords and their Faction Rules. BA, DA, SW, and DW are all Adeptus Astartes and presumedly have Oath of Moment. Therefore they aren't doing a separate faction focus to cover their unique detachment nor unique models.

This is a bit of a pity because I know everyone would love to see how a Space Wolves detachment would restrict them from the non-SW First Born models along with allowing them the unique Space Wolves units.

I'd assume that Space Wolves would just get a separate PDF file to Space Marines with a different list of datasheets available. Same for their physical datacard pack.

I found the source for the Facebook posts if anyone needs to see it:

Spoiler:

While they might not be doing one for each of the Chapters, doing one to at least clarify how they're going to work in relation to the core SM book would be useful - given we've seen Codex: Dark Angels on the road map, not Codex Supplement: Dark Angels, it'd be good to know if you'd just want the DA book, or both it and the SM one, for example.

Typical GW, not missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

We might see a Dark Angels one anyways since they didn't specifically say they wouldn't be getting an article, plus it would help hype the Lion for the new edition.

I'm okay with being wrong, but that seems like an unhealthy amount of copium.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Seems to me they are detailing the distinct factions based not the Faction Keywords and their Faction Rules. BA, DA, SW, and DW are all Adeptus Astartes and presumedly have Oath of Moment. Therefore they aren't doing a separate faction focus to cover their unique detachment nor unique models.

This is a bit of a pity because I know everyone would love to see how a Space Wolves detachment would restrict them from the non-SW First Born models along with allowing them the unique Space Wolves units.

I'd assume that Space Wolves would just get a separate PDF file to Space Marines with a different list of datasheets available. Same for their physical datacard pack.

I found the source for the Facebook posts if anyone needs to see it:

Spoiler:

While they might not be doing one for each of the Chapters, doing one to at least clarify how they're going to work in relation to the core SM book would be useful - given we've seen Codex: Dark Angels on the road map, not Codex Supplement: Dark Angels, it'd be good to know if you'd just want the DA book, or both it and the SM one, for example.

Typical GW, not missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

We might see a Dark Angels one anyways since they didn't specifically say they wouldn't be getting an article, plus it would help hype the Lion for the new edition.

I'm okay with being wrong, but that seems like an unhealthy amount of copium.

The only reason I think it might happen is the Lion, and even then it's more "eh, it may happen" over "it's definitely happening".

Adeptus Mechanicus: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/15/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-adeptus-mechanicus-2/

I really don’t like mortal wound mechanics of this nature. If you’re playing a horde type army, you really don’t care about a few mortal wounds sprinkled around. But if you prefer elite style lists, you are going to get penalized far more by these arbitrary MW hitting your units in the deployment zone. Dumb rule.

 bullyboy wrote:
I really don’t like mortal wound mechanics of this nature. If you’re playing a horde type army, you really don’t care about a few mortal wounds sprinkled around. But if you prefer elite style lists, you are going to get penalized far more by these arbitrary MW hitting your units in the deployment zone. Dumb rule.

Well...get out of DZ! I like the push-pull of their rules. AdMech wants everything in the middle.

You may be right on the experience, but on the surface it seems interesting.

I've been a little cold on AdMech to begin with, but this doesn't do much to interest me.

The inherent skornergy between getting an AP bonus against enemies in their deployment zone and the rad bombs encouraging the enemy to not be there is incredibly annoying.

Sticking with Protector and largely being an immobile gunline hitting on 3+ seems the way to go, at least for most units for most of the game. The utility of army wide assault weapons seems limited for Ad Mech.


Hmm. Rad-saturation switching to modifying OC is...fine, but not sure when you want this unit within 3".

Shame we didn't see the backside of the Vanguard card. Feels like that unit will live or die by its specials.

Voss wrote:
The inherent skornergy between getting an AP bonus against enemies in their deployment zone and the rad bombs encouraging the enemy to not be there is incredibly annoying.

Sticking with Protector and largely being an immobile gunline hitting on 3+ seems the way to go, at least for most units for most of the game. The utility of army wide assault weapons seems limited for Ad Mech.


Hmm. Rad-saturation switching to modifying OC is...fine, but not sure when you want this unit within 3".

Shame we didn't see the backside of the Vanguard card. Feels like that unit will live or die by its specials.

Vanguard will be the best objective capper around -- if they can survive.

I feel like if AdMech can push people out of their DZ then it opens room for them to come on in the enemy DZ and then push hard with the extra AP. The opponent needs to make a strong consideration about that possibility and whether it's worth keeping units there to buffer.

I don't know how to feel about AdMech. I will say that Rad-Cohort was an interesting choice for the starter "specialist army" detachment.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Voss wrote:
The inherent skornergy between getting an AP bonus against enemies in their deployment zone and the rad bombs encouraging the enemy to not be there is incredibly annoying.

Sticking with Protector and largely being an immobile gunline hitting on 3+ seems the way to go, at least for most units for most of the game. The utility of army wide assault weapons seems limited for Ad Mech.


Hmm. Rad-saturation switching to modifying OC is...fine, but not sure when you want this unit within 3".

Shame we didn't see the backside of the Vanguard card. Feels like that unit will live or die by its specials.

Vanguard will be the best objective capper around -- if they can survive.

I feel like if AdMech can push people out of their DZ then it opens room for them to come on in the enemy DZ and then push hard with the extra AP. The opponent needs to make a strong consideration about that possibility and whether it's worth keeping units there to buffer.

They don't get AP for being in the enemy DZ. Just for the targets being in the DZ... which they don't want to be.

And, yeah. Their survivability is basically nil, unless you really want to burn CP on giving these jokers a good invulnerable save.

Voss wrote:
I've been a little cold on AdMech to begin with, but this doesn't do much to interest me.

The inherent skornergy between getting an AP bonus against enemies in their deployment zone and the rad bombs encouraging the enemy to not be there is incredibly annoying.

Sticking with Protector and largely being an immobile gunline hitting on 3+ seems the way to go, at least for most units for most of the game. The utility of army wide assault weapons seems limited for Ad Mech.


Hmm. Rad-saturation switching to modifying OC is...fine, but not sure when you want this unit within 3".

Shame we didn't see the backside of the Vanguard card. Feels like that unit will live or die by its specials.

It's more raidboss BS Like i said before, it just feels like some video game stuff to me, oh no Cawl is starting to glow red, he's switched Doctrines, keep your potions ready...

And every faction-'leader' needs 3pick1 auras, i don't get why.

Shame that we don't get propper artillery but rather on demand bonus.

I guess this is what happens when the core mechanics are not deep enough so you have to facilitate specific doctrinal formations via special rules.

I do like the 3 pick 1 specials (though we could lose special characters entirely and I wouldn't be sad- quite the opposite, really).

It gives some versatility and player choice without the overwhelming need to track a bunch of different things or being overpowered by doing everything at once (both of which were previously problems.).

Wtf who came up with that Rad-Bombardment rule? With MSU Eldar the whole army is battle-shocked or half dead or did I miss something XD

Tsagualsa wrote:


It's more raidboss BS Like i said before, it just feels like some video game stuff to me, oh no Cawl is starting to glow red, he's switched Doctrines, keep your potions ready...

And every faction-'leader' needs 3pick1 auras, i don't get why.

litterally is an admech thing since they exist as an army lol


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 nordsturmking wrote:
Wtf who came up with that Rad-Bombardment rule? With MSU Eldar the whole army is battle-shocked or half dead or did I miss something XD

its on a 3+, and then you're doing 1.5 wounds on average per unit

Oh, and its a new edition where transports seem like they'll be more intereseting so thats a good way to not be as affected tbh