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2023/05/20 03:17:48
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
It is a system that you are supposed to game. You aren't meant to buff units of Firewarriors with equal sized units of Firewarriors. You are meant to have small cheap "observer" units, preferably Pathfinders who can do it twice, to buff more expensive and powerful units like Crisis Suits, Hammerheads and Riptides.
You don't like stacking buffs? well then this army isn't for you. But Tau always have been about stacking buffs.
2023/05/20 04:11:58
Subject: Re:10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
Shakalooloo wrote: Are the skitarii really that much tougher than guard? Bionics aside they wear shoulder pads, long coats and puffy pants. In all the BL fiction I've read - admittedly, not a tremendous amount featuring them, so by no means anything more than an anecdote rather than evidence - they get shot up pretty easily. Gaunt's Ghosts got trapped in a facility with a bunch of them and still managed to curb stomp them, for example.
Just look at their models. They are layered in thick looking armor on top of bionics. Wich somehow equals guard flak armor wich is basically a bullet proof vest. It makes no sense.
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2023/05/20 04:15:03
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
I used to have a firing pattern to my Guard back in the day, using the least amount of force for the most amount of results until I had moved through every weapon type.
The idea of a Tau army having to work together, to have synergies between spotters/shooters, and position/manoeuvre units to better bring firepower down on the enemy seems really thematic to me.
But they don't. That's the thing. There's no real working together, strategy, tactics, costs, or anything. If you have a 100 fire warriors on the table, (assuming they have the same size units), at the same range and the same target, 50 of them just shoot better than the other 50. They all shoot. All you need to do is make the declarations in the right order. That's the player not screwing up the ordered sets (if observer, can't be guided or observe again (unless pathfinder), if already shot, can't be observer), not the units working together.
Now, an enemy might move so you can't get all your pairs, especially not on the targets you prefer, but that's the limit on maneuver and position. That's affected as much or more by how terrain was set up and if you put enough fast things in your list to get LOS anyway.
And it certainly doesn't make any units worse. All it does is make half the units better.
Sigh. That's equivalent. If half the units are better, the other half is worse than them. That's what makes it a comparison. You can't compare something to nothing or claim that the comparison degrades the other thing, you compare the state of the two (or more) things. One is better than the other.
You say this like Tau haven't always had to manage Markerlights. Get them into the right position. Fire them at the right units. Use them to enhance the right units. This has been a Tau thing since their very first codex. How is this any different except for the implementation?
2023/05/20 04:27:42
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
Voss wrote: Sigh. That's equivalent. If half the units are better, the other half is worse than them. That's what makes it a comparison. You can't compare something to nothing or claim that the comparison degrades the other thing, you compare the state of the two (or more) things. One is better than the other.
I know I won't change your mind, but I think you're too caught up on units not being at parity. An 80 point unit buffing a 400 point unit is an oversized impact. There has to be a cost-benefit relationship.
And otherwise would even be the point of the rule if everyone just got +1BS? That's far less interesting.
2023/05/20 05:10:02
Subject: Re:10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
ProfSrlojohn wrote: You know, they could bring back the old bionics rule, aka, a 6++fnp. Wouldn’t be much but if it applied to basically every admech unit (since they’re all bionic) it could start to count. Heck, give a higher one on more purely mechanical units.
Doubt gw goes army wide fnp's all that much. Especially when models have few wounds resulting in lots of individual fnp rolls.
Different in aos when it doesn't matter is 1 dam6 attack hitting 6 wound model or 6 1 wound models. In 40k it slows game more.
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Hellebore wrote: It seemed like a pretty Orky thing for them to either miss, or hit with lots of shots.
Hence sustained hits.
I could see big shootas at sustained hits 2.
But I could see shootas with sustained fire 1.
So they either miss or hit with multiple shots as they get carried away with the dakka.
Rapid fire works, but it seems less orky
A2 rapid fire 1 is 9e shoota.
A3 rf2 is 9e big shoota.
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2023/05/20 05:39:43
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
Voss wrote: Sigh. That's equivalent. If half the units are better, the other half is worse than them. That's what makes it a comparison. You can't compare something to nothing or claim that the comparison degrades the other thing, you compare the state of the two (or more) things. One is better than the other.
I know I won't change your mind, but I think you're too caught up on units not being at parity. An 80 point unit buffing a 400 point unit is an oversized impact. There has to be a cost-benefit relationship.
And otherwise would even be the point of the rule if everyone just got +1BS? That's far less interesting.
As per my usual pet peeve, we're coming out of an edition where everything had to 3+ or it wasn't worth it, so a shift to 4+ being the normal is difficult for some I think.
Besides that it really seems Tau now have a fun tactical element that doesn't just render units down to markerlight caddies. Positioning matters more, so does firing order and opponent interactivity is up. Wins all round surely?
2023/05/20 08:01:48
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
Mr Morden wrote: Skitarii vary hugely depending on the Magos - sadly, like Guard, the vast variety they are in lore has not been much epxlored in recent editions of the game in favour of dozens of slightly different marine loadouts and colours.
There should be options for 4+ armour Skitarri (as there shoud be for Guard), higher toughness, etc but GW does not support the actual lore in this on the table top sadly
That should really be represented on the tabletop by either a separate unit entry with rules distinct from Rangers & Vanguard (like the Secutarii below), or by sub-faction / detachment rules. Tuning units up to the best possible stats they could have is how we got to 9th edition power creep in the first place.
When the Admech codex arrives later this year I fully expect to see some detachment equivalent to the current Lucius or Graia rules, which portray Skitarii constructed to be more durable than normal.
Mr Morden wrote: some Titan legions use specialist close combat versions to prevent Titans being swarmed...
Those are Secutarii Titan-Guard, a specialist unit attached to titan legions for a specific purpose. They share a common ancestry with Skitarii Rangers & Vanguard, but are about as similar to them as Guardsmen are to Kasrkin. Which is why they also get different wargear, a separate datasheet rules and... a different save stat.
2023/05/20 12:15:05
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
2023/05/20 13:45:42
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
vipoid wrote: I'm surprised there isn't a Regeneration X USR.
Seems like it would be useful.
There are a lot of things that that list should have added, things like attacks that cause Battleshock tests, and things that cause reduction in normal/charge/advance moves.
I'm afraid 10th will be an edition full of extra-special datasheet-based special rules, and for 11th they'll start to streamline them into more USRs.
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I think I'm 50 pages behind since I only come here on my lunch break at work, but finally a Tau reveal!
I agree FtGG is way too wordy but i think it's decent. Not sure how the unit employing laser targeting for a nearby unit doesn't also benefit itself. Made sense for markerlight lasers but what does FtGG actually represent? I can only imagine it's a target lock from a better angle...
Drones no longer being actual models is weird since they are so big, numerous, and individually based. I have always wanted drones to be more attached to the units they escort but they seem more independent than grot oilers, for example. Maybe drones can still be detached as units in the full game.
My army is mainly stealth suits and the Kauyon strat doesn't seem too different than 9th. I really hope stealth suits get a rework though. Burst cannons and a fusion blaster is a crap combo. I'd rather kit them all for close combat or mid-range, but not a mix. Why not twin-linked pulse blasters with fusion sergeant, or burst cannons with ion rifle sergeant?
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2023/05/21 09:26:32
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
Shadow Walker wrote: They could add more new/reworked Kroot kits (Krootox, Knarlocs etc.), and new Vespids. Some new xenos auxiliaries would be welcome too.
Agreed - hopefully no more stupid looking walkers
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“Next week we continue our Warhammer 40,000 faction focus articles with Chaos Knights, Adeptus Custodes, and everyone’s favourite fungal hooligans”
... They really did forget GSC again until the last minute didn't they? I know someone has to be last, but the fact it's the forgotten faction is painful. Who else is left?
Ahh drukhari, the other ginger haired step child.
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2023/05/21 18:05:22
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
“Next week we continue our Warhammer 40,000 faction focus articles with Chaos Knights, Adeptus Custodes, and everyone’s favourite fungal hooligans”
... They really did forget GSC again until the last minute didn't they? I know someone has to be last, but the fact it's the forgotten faction is painful. Who else is left?
Ahh drukhari, the other ginger haired step child.
I don't think that's the complete list of what they'll preview We're missing GSC, Imperial Agents, Drukhari, Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, and that's assuming none of the divergent SM get any preview. Also, they have been on a pretty consistent rotation of Imperium-Xenos-Chaos, and it looks like they can keep that up almos to the end.
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2023/05/21 18:13:16
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
“Next week we continue our Warhammer 40,000 faction focus articles with Chaos Knights, Adeptus Custodes, and everyone’s favourite fungal hooligans”
... They really did forget GSC again until the last minute didn't they? I know someone has to be last, but the fact it's the forgotten faction is painful. Who else is left?
Ahh drukhari, the other ginger haired step child.
I don't think that's the complete list of what they'll preview We're missing GSC, Imperial Agents, Drukhari, Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, and that's assuming none of the divergent SM get any preview. Also, they have been on a pretty consistent rotation of Imperium-Xenos-Chaos, and it looks like they can keep that up almos to the end.
So logically chaos knights > custodes > orks > grey knights/imperial agents > tsons next week.
Week after goes grey knights(or IA) > gsc/de > womp-womp > ?????> de/gsc. Fin. Only question is who/what gets the last chaos/imperium slot we run out of factions for.
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2023/05/21 18:18:47
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
“Next week we continue our Warhammer 40,000 faction focus articles with Chaos Knights, Adeptus Custodes, and everyone’s favourite fungal hooligans”
... They really did forget GSC again until the last minute didn't they? I know someone has to be last, but the fact it's the forgotten faction is painful. Who else is left?
Ahh drukhari, the other ginger haired step child.
I don't think that's the complete list of what they'll preview We're missing GSC, Imperial Agents, Drukhari, Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, and that's assuming none of the divergent SM get any preview. Also, they have been on a pretty consistent rotation of Imperium-Xenos-Chaos, and it looks like they can keep that up almos to the end.
So logically chaos knights > custodes > orks > grey knights/imperial agents > tsons next week.
Week after goes grey knights(or IA) > gsc/de > womp-womp > ?????> de/gsc. Fin. Only question is who/what gets the last chaos/imperium slot we run out of factions for.
Who knows, they said Deathwatch is not getting a preview, they might opt not do one for Grey Knights as well. They also said the divergent chapters won't get one, which i find weird because the Dark Angels are on the roadmap with their own codex. They also said that they'd do a preview every weekday, long story short we don't have a clue However, if they do Grey Knights and one preview per weekday, they'll land on May 31th exactly.
2023/05/21 18:38:11
Subject: 10th Edition Rumour Roundup - Tl;dr: June 24th is the best estimate for a release date.
“Next week we continue our Warhammer 40,000 faction focus articles with Chaos Knights, Adeptus Custodes, and everyone’s favourite fungal hooligans”
... They really did forget GSC again until the last minute didn't they? I know someone has to be last, but the fact it's the forgotten faction is painful. Who else is left?
Ahh drukhari, the other ginger haired step child.
I don't think that's the complete list of what they'll preview We're missing GSC, Imperial Agents, Drukhari, Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, and that's assuming none of the divergent SM get any preview. Also, they have been on a pretty consistent rotation of Imperium-Xenos-Chaos, and it looks like they can keep that up almos to the end.
So logically chaos knights > custodes > orks > grey knights/imperial agents > tsons next week.
Week after goes grey knights(or IA) > gsc/de > womp-womp > ?????> de/gsc. Fin. Only question is who/what gets the last chaos/imperium slot we run out of factions for.
Who knows, they said Deathwatch is not getting a preview, they might opt not do one for Grey Knights as well. They also said the divergent chapters won't get one, which i find weird because the Dark Angels are on the roadmap with their own codex. They also said that they'd do a preview every weekday, long story short we don't have a clue However, if they do Grey Knights and one preview per weekday, they'll land on May 31th exactly.
I imagine they'll want to pad that week out, then it'll naturally lead into the Sunday "pre-order next week!" announcement.
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